Talk Sports' Mixed Martial Arts Thread

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by bababui

Lets see any MME guy fight using boxing rules.

Why? Do you often wonder if a squash player would win against a tennis player in tennis?

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Wrong. He was initially on the undercard.

You had to actually cut off the edit where I corrected myself in order to post the quote that way. But whatever makes your day.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Are you saying that MMA (calling it other names just because you don't like it is just as childish as your insistence on purposely misspelling my name, by the way) doesn't have any rules? There are more written rules for MMA than there are for boxing.

Feel free to educate yourself before insulting things.

I misquoted. How did I insult it?? When did I purposely misspell your name?? I am confused. And I am not sure what the number of written rules has to do with anything. They allow barbaric fighting actions that just arent allowed in boxing.

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

And I respect your opinion on MMA...I don't agree but I respect it. I also enjoy boxing way more than MMA. The one thing that I call bs on is that you take for granted that the practitioners lack skills, athletic abillities and so on. They don't. It is as hard as boxing (since you used boxing as an example) in just about every way...I would argue that wrestling takes even more when it comes to stamina, strenght and general athleticism.

I definitely respect your opinion too. OK..maybe I spoke too strongly. I didnt mean to say that MMA athletes dont have skills. I meant to say that the style of fighting allows for fighters with lesser athletic skills to become successful. And they certainly train as hard as any boxers. I also think wrestlers are just as you explained; although they dont have to go through as much constant pain. Maybe its just that I dont get MMA. I just think that boxing has removed a lot of the more barbaric actions to leave a still violent but more pure, if you will, contest.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Why? Do you often wonder if a squash player would win against a tennis player in tennis?

I just think that the far stricter rules in boxing makes it harder for the lesser athlete to win.

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by bababui

What does one have to do with another? Do I need to be a politician to talk politics? A film maker to discuss film?

With a statement like this: "MME is a sport for fighters who just arent athletic or skillful enough to box." one would assume that you at least did practice one or both of the disciplines that you compared and was so sure about. That is how I see it anyway.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by bababui

When did I purposely misspell your name?? I am confused.

Oh please. You'd misspelled my name every time you've ever typed it, and have joked about it when I've pointed it out. Don't feign ignorance. It's beneath you.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

With a statement like this: "MME is a sport for fighters who just arent athletic or skillful enough to box." one would assume that you at least did practice one or both of the disciplines that you compared and was so sure about. That is how I see it anyway.

What I meant was; take away the rabbit punching; the hitting an opponent when he is on the ground; the submissions; and you actually have to overcome your opponent using a stronger mix of athleticism and skill.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Oh please. You'd misspelled my name every time you've ever typed it, and have joked about it when I've pointed it out. Don't feign ignorance. It's beneath you.

TBH, you blindsided me with this one. I apologize for misspelling your name and I likely joked about my stupidity in doing so. Why would I joke about the spelling of your name??

[Tommysixfingers]

Originally Posted by bababui

I definitely respect your opinion too. OK..maybe I spoke too strongly. I didnt mean to say that MMA athletes dont have skills. I meant to say that the style of fighting allows for fighters with lesser athletic skills to become successful. And they certainly train as hard as any boxers. I also think wrestlers are just as you explained; although they dont have to go through as much constant pain. Maybe its just that I dont get MMA. I just think that boxing has removed a lot of the more barbaric actions to leave a still violent but more pure, if you will, contest.

Fair enough.

Take care.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by bababui

What I meant was; take away the rabbit punching; the hitting an opponent when he is on the ground; the submissions; and you actually have to overcome your opponent using a stronger mix of athleticism and skill.

Rabbit punching is against MMA rules, and submissions take a skill set all their own, and it can be argued that submission grappling actually takes more skill and athleticism than striking.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by bababui

TBH, you blindsided me with this one. I apologize for misspelling your name and I likely joked about my stupidity in doing so. Why would I joke about the spelling of your name??

I don't know why you would joke about it, and we both post too much to try to go back a few months and review it.

[bababui]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

I don't know why you would joke about it, and we both post too much to try to go back a few months and review it.

I really am sorry and I can tell you that I dont remember ever making fun of somebodies name. Maybe I posted something after an evening of drinking. If I did, it embarrasses me. It really isnt my style to be passive aggressive. If I have a disagreement with someone, I usually come out and say it.

[marioh]

Originally Posted by bababui

But MME should just go all the way down the path to barbarism and allow anything and have the fighters fight to the death.

There's been quite a few boxing matches that ended up being "to the death".
Which sport is really more barbaric?
The one that allows a fighter to get punched in the head hundreds of times in a match and allows a fighter that's gotten knocked out cold 10 seconds to recover and continue fighting (and up to 2 times in a round)?
Or the one that when a fighter is knocked out cold, the match comes to an end (granted, how quickly dependent on the ref). Where a fighter (winner or loser) can avoid getting punched (or kicked) in the head the entire match?

Playing the barbarism card when trying to contrast boxing to MMA just ain't gonna fly.

Keep in mind I have nothing against boxing. It's what I grew up watching and I still enjoy a good boxing match.

[Raderick]

We already talked about it, but there have only been two deaths in the ring/cage in the history of MMA. One was in an unsanctioned show in Europe and the guy who was killed had it coming by just showing up. The other was last year (or was it this year) and that was an out-of-the-blue occurance. How many deaths have there been in boxing just the last 10 years? 70, not counting 2007 or 2008.

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Not sure where the Frank Shamrock rumor comes from, but it's not really believable.

It was sparked by Dave Meltzer. He was seen sparring outside the announcers booth and he did say he would take the fight, but I don't know how he would anyways seeing that he's signed with Strikeforce and didn't weigh in Friday night, AFAIK.

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

dola,

Fatboy above was 10-6 in MMA. You'd think with boxers being much better athletes and all that he would've dominated, right?

And a pretty damn good fighter in MMA too.

[Raderick]

My original plan was to throw out push kicks, have him think that I’m gonna throw them more, and then to shoot in on him, obviously. But the promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down, let’s just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him.---Seth Petruzelli on The Monsters in the Morning radio show on Real Radio 104.1, Orlando

[Raderick]

Originally Posted by Seth Petruzelli on The Monsters in the Morning radio show on Real Radio 104.1, Orlando

My original plan was to throw out push kicks, have him think that I’m gonna throw them more, and then to shoot in on him, obviously. But the promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down, let’s just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him.

Yeah, EliteXC is ****ed.

[Big Willis 16]

BAHAHAHA. Congrats to CBS for signing them as well.

[Big Willis 16]

The only way EliteXC sells out another card is if KJ Noons fights Diaz.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Affliction work something out with CBS, instead of this EliteXC garbage.