Talk Sports' Mixed Martial Arts Thread - Page 12

Raderick · 10-05-2008, 02:30 AM

EliteXC is ****ed.

Tommysixfingers · 10-05-2008, 03:15 AM

Just saw the video on Youtube. Let's just say that it wasn't the best fight I've ever seen. MMA won't win any boxing fans over with this one

Props to both fighters in taking the fight on such a late notice though. Petruzelli had no time whatsoever to prepare for Kimob and a weight disadvantage of 30 lbs. Kimbo had absolutely nothing to win and everything to loose in this fight.

The good thing about the spectacle is that the Kimbo nuthuggers finally get (at least I hope so) some perspective on the quality of Kimbo in MMA. The result of this fight is also a big test for Kimbo himself. The future will show what his heart is made of.

Raderick · 10-05-2008, 09:38 AM

One of the big rumors that was coming out of last night was that Frank Shamrock, who was only there to be behind the mic, was being considered to be Kimbo's opponent.

Is there not a commission in Florida? I'm still confused as to why the fight as it went down happened in the first place.

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 10:16 AM

I keep seeing people mention the short notice, but Kimbo could've trained a year for that opponent and it wouldn't have cured the fact that his chin is so fragile that he got knocked out by a jab.

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Originally Posted by Raderick

Is there not a commission in Florida? I'm still confused as to why the fight as it went down happened in the first place.

Seth was there as a stand-by fighter, from what I understand. So he was weighed in with the rest of the fighters, and cleared by the commission to fight.

Edit: I was wrong. He was supposed to fight on the undercard. Thus, he had already weighed in and was cleared to fight.

Not sure where the Frank Shamrock rumor comes from, but it's not really believable.

bear · 10-05-2008, 11:46 AM

The spirit of Primo Carnera is probably wishing that he could comeback in EliteX.

marioh · 10-05-2008, 11:57 AM

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So, Kimbo Slice was exposed last night. Did anyone watch it?

I watched it, and loved every single second of it.

It was a good night of fights overall.

Tommysixfingers · 10-05-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I keep seeing people mention the short notice, but Kimbo could've trained a year for that opponent and it wouldn't have cured the fact that his chin is so fragile that he got knocked out by a jab.

I'm not sure if you are refering to me...probably.

Weak chin or not, Kimbo didn't have anything to win in taking the fight against Petruzelli. It shows that he has somewhat of a desire to fight at least.

bababui · 10-05-2008, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I keep seeing people mention the short notice, but Kimbo could've trained a year for that opponent and it wouldn't have cured the fact that his chin is so fragile that he got knocked out by a jab.

It wasnt a jab no matter what the announcer said. It was a short right hand. And he was balanced against the cage so he could get some leverage into the punch. Also, if the sport didnt allow the barbaric practice of allowing punching an opponent who is on the ground, the fight would have continued. MME is a sport for fighters who just arent athletic or skillful enough to box. Like that potbellied white guy who fought in a prelim.

Tommysixfingers · 10-05-2008, 12:52 PM

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MME is a sport for fighters who just arent athletic or skillful enough to box. Like that potbellied white guy who fought in a prelim.

Since you know this to be a fact...Where did you box? Where did you practice MMA? For how long did you practice martial arts and boxing? What discipline is your best one in MMA? Muay Thai? BJJ perhaps...Maybe you are a wrestler or a Karate practicioner...

I'm just curious because you seem to know your facts about MMA and boxing and I always love a good style vs. style discussion with a skilled practicioner.

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 01:10 PM

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MME is a sport for fighters who just arent athletic or skillful enough to box. Like that potbellied white guy who fought in a prelim.

I totally agree with you. You'd never see an out of shape dude go, oh, I dunno, 77-7-4 with 58 wins by knock out in boxing.

Oh, wait, oops.

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 01:11 PM

dola,

Fatboy above was 10-6 in MMA. You'd think with boxers being much better athletes and all that he would've dominated, right?

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Weak chin or not, Kimbo didn't have anything to win in taking the fight against Petruzelli. It shows that he has somewhat of a desire to fight at least.

It's being reported now that they increased his purse to get him to take the fight. So I'd say he has a desire to make money, at least...

bababui · 10-05-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

Since you know this to be a fact...Where did you box? Where did you practice MMA? For how long did you practice martial arts and boxing? What discipline is your best one in MMA? Muay Thai? BJJ perhaps...Maybe you are a wrestler or a Karate practicioner...

I'm just curious because you seem to know your facts about MMA and boxing and I always love a good style vs. style discussion with a skilled practicioner.

What does one have to do with another? Do I need to be a politician to talk politics? A film maker to discuss film?

Boxing is a skill with strict rules; no rabbit punching, no hitting when your opponent is on the ground, etc. What that leaves is athletic ability (speed and power) and training (technique, strength and endurance). MME is a regression to Roman Gladiator times when brutality is added to the ability and training mix. If you enjoy one guy hitting another guy when he is on his stomach and down thats OK with me. But MME should just go all the way down the path to barbarism and allow anything and have the fighters fight to the death.

bababui · 10-05-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

dola,

Fatboy above was 10-6 in MMA. You'd think with boxers being much better athletes and all that he would've dominated, right?

Lets see any MME guy fight using boxing rules.

bababui · 10-05-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I totally agree with you. You'd never see an out of shape dude go, oh, I dunno, 77-7-4 with 58 wins by knock out in boxing.

Oh, wait, oops.

And he fought in exactly how many championship fights? He fought how many ranked opponents? He was a sideshow act like MME.

Tommysixfingers · 10-05-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

It's being reported now that they increased his purse to get him to take the fight. So I'd say he has a desire to make money, at least...

Yeah, ok...Didn't know that. Well that is as strong a desire as anything else I suppose.

Really, I'm not trying to hype Kimbo in any way...believe me. I would like to wait just a bit longer before i pass the final judgement on him though. The only positive thing I've said about him ever is that he seems to be honest in trying to be a legit MMA fighter imo. At least until yesterday. Now we will have to see what he is made of.

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Boxing is a skill with strict rules; no rabbit punching, no hitting when your opponent is on the ground, etc. What that leaves is athletic ability (speed and power) and training (technique, strength and endurance). MME is a regression to Roman Gladiator times when brutality is added to the ability and training mix. If you enjoy one guy hitting another guy when he is on his stomach and down thats OK with me. But MME should just go all the way down the path to barbarism and allow anything and have the fighters fight to the death.

Are you saying that MMA (calling it other names just because you don't like it is just as childish as your insistence on purposely misspelling my name, by the way) doesn't have any rules? There are more written rules for MMA than there are for boxing.

Feel free to educate yourself before insulting things.

Tommysixfingers · 10-05-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

What does one have to do with another? Do I need to be a politician to talk politics? A film maker to discuss film?

Boxing is a skill with strict rules; no rabbit punching, no hitting when your opponent is on the ground, etc. What that leaves is athletic ability (speed and power) and training (technique, strength and endurance). MME is a regression to Roman Gladiator times when brutality is added to the ability and training mix. If you enjoy one guy hitting another guy when he is on his stomach and down thats OK with me. But MME should just go all the way down the path to barbarism and allow anything and have the fighters fight to the death.

And I respect your opinion on MMA...I don't agree but I respect it. I also enjoy boxing way more than MMA. The one thing that I call bs on is that you take for granted that the practitioners lack skills, athletic abillities and so on. They don't. It is as hard as boxing (since you used boxing as an example) in just about every way...I would argue that wrestling for example takes even more when it comes to stamina, strenght and general athleticism. MMA is not one style...You are disqualifying quite a lot of Martial arts styles with your arguement.

Erik W. · 10-05-2008, 01:30 PM

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And he fought in exactly how many championship fights?

He fought in at least three title fights. Probably more than that since he actually held a title for awhile.

Cooleyvol · 10-05-2008, 01:33 PM

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Seth was there as a stand-by fighter, from what I understand. So he was weighed in with the rest of the fighters, and cleared by the commission to fight.

Wrong. He was initially on the undercard.

.......and as stated above, it wasn't a jab, but a short right braced by the cage. The cut came from punches after he was on the ground. He even looked off balance as he went in, just before he caught the short right.

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Tommysixfingers All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,500	Just saw the video on Youtube. Let's just say that it wasn't the best fight I've ever seen. MMA won't win any boxing fans over with this one Props to both fighters in taking the fight on such a late notice though. Petruzelli had no time whatsoever to prepare for Kimob and a weight disadvantage of 30 lbs. Kimbo had absolutely nothing to win and everything to loose in this fight. The good thing about the spectacle is that the Kimbo nuthuggers finally get (at least I hope so) some perspective on the quality of Kimbo in MMA. The result of this fight is also a big test for Kimbo himself. The future will show what his heart is made of.