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Anothershutout 9-0. I've never seen an offense so inept. So...weak. So...
It doesn't look very good at this point.
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"What's the first one?" "To get better, it must get much worse." - Ross Thomas, The Fools in Town Are on Our Side It looks to me like things have gotten so bad that even those who have refused to take action are about to be forced to do so.
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The many Sox fans I work with may call me a fool, but I think it is far from over. It is only May 14th and I'm waiting to see what the return of Wood will bring. Prior and Miller may not be that far away. Then Lee returns. I think the Cubbies can still make some noise. Hendry will also make a deal soon if at all possible...that may be tough this time of year.
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Have Prior & Miller been taking a lot of batting practice or something? |
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American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled! )"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby |
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****!
Let me rephrase that: ****! At least starting tomorow I'll be able to watch the Cubbies in WGN-y goodness on a big TV instead of a choppy little window with MLB.tv. Will this make the ineptitude better or worse to watch? ...Rock bottom, starting to dig. Your 2006 Chicago Cubs! |
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I think it was a huge mistake to put the franchise's eggs into a basket with a broken handle. Both Prior and, especially, Wood are mechanics nightmares. Wood, as far as I've heard, refuses to make any adjustments. He'll be back on the DL before he makes any difference -- if he ever makes a difference again. I'm not sure Prior will ever live up to the "dream" either. Every year so many Cubs fans seem convinced that the magical cure-all to their woes is going to be a healthy 1-2 punch of Wood and Prior. Eh. I think that bird has long since flown. I don't see this team being particularly good any time soon, and unless some of their potential young hitters really mature at an unheard of rate, they won't be hitting much. Additionally, until the Dynamic Duo proves otherwise, this team's pitching will remain far from impressive. As for D-Lee -- who I'm a big, big, fan of -- he's going to come off an injury and immediately be expected to shoulder the entire load for what appears to be the most inept offense in the Majors. I think the notion that the Cubs will be doing anything exciting beyond the odd short-term streak is pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. This franchise has a terrible manager, a lot of backup parts being used in ill-fitting roles, a 40-year-old "ace", superstar pitchers constructed of a material somewhat like thin glass, and a host of on-the-way youngsters. I hope I'm wrong. Even as a Cardinals fan -- and, yes, I am a Cardinals fan -- I like to see the Cubs competitive (so long as the Cards are the same or better). EDIT: piperclap's avatar makes me want to cry.
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By the shore's of old Lake Michigan
Where the "hawk wind" blows so cold An old Cub fan lay dying In his midnight hour that tolled Round his bed, his friends had all gathered They knew his time was short And on his head they put this bright blue cap From his all-time favorite sport He told them, "Its late and its getting dark in here" And I know its time to go But before I leave the line-up Boys, there's just one thing I'd like to know Do they still play the blues in Chicago When baseball season rolls around When the snow melts away, Do the Cubbies still play In their ivy-covered burial ground When I was a boy they were my pride and joy But now they only bring fatigue To the home of the brave The land of the free And the doormat of the National League Told his friends "You know the law of averages says: Anything will happen that can" That's what it says "But the last time the Cubs won a National League pennant Was the year we dropped the bomb on Japan" The Cubs made me a criminal Sent me down a wayward path They stole my youth from me (that's the truth) I'd forsake my teachers To go sit in the bleachers In flagrant truancy and then one thing led to another and soon I'd discovered alcohol, gambling, dope football, hockey, lacrosse, tennis But what do you expect, When you raise up a young boy's hopes And then just crush 'em like so many paper beer cups. Year after year after year after year, after year, after year, after year, after year 'Til those hopes are just so much popcorn for the pigeons beneath the 'L' tracks to eat He said, "You know I'll never see Wrigley Field, anymore before my eternal rest So if you have your pencils and your score cards ready, and I'll read you my last request He said, "Give me a double header funeral in Wrigley Field On some sunny weekend day (no lights) Have the organ play the "National Anthem" and then a little 'na, na, na, na, hey hey, hey, Goodbye' Make six bullpen pitchers, carry my coffin and six ground keepers clear my path Have the umpires bark me out at every base In all their holy wrath Its a beautiful day for a funeral, Hey Ernie lets play two! Somebody go get Jack Brickhouse to come back, and conduct just one more interview Have the Cubbies run right out into the middle of the field, Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt And I'll be ready to die Build a big fire on home plate out of your Louisville Sluggers baseball bats, And toss my coffin in Let my ashes blow in a beautiful snow From the prevailing 30 mile an hour southwest wind When my last remains go flying over the left-field wall Will bid the bleacher bums adíeu And I will come to my final resting place, out on Waveland Avenue The dying man's friends told him to cut it out They said stop it that's an awful shame He whispered, "Don't Cry, we'll meet by and by near the Heavenly Hall of Fame He said, "I've got season's tickets to watch the Angels now, So its just what I'm going to do He said, "but you the living, you're stuck here with the Cubs, So its me that feels sorry for you!" And he said, "Ahh Play, play that lonesome losers tune, That's the one I like the best" And he closed his eyes, and slipped away What we got is the Dying Cub Fan's Last Request And here it is Do they still play the blues in Chicago When baseball season rolls around When the snow melts away, Do the Cubbies still play In their ivy-covered burial ground When I was a boy they were my pride and joy But now they only bring fatigue To the home of the brave The land of the free And the doormat of the National League |
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Steve Stone has said that it appeared there was something wrong with them. There is some concern that it is the stretch delivery that causes Mark troubles. Dr. Mike Marshall has insisted that Prior's mechanics are a problem. Of course, he also said that Larry Rothschild and Tom House probably didn't know what muscles even formed the rotator cuff ![]() Of course, for every person that believes Prior has a problem - even a small one - there are those who insist that his mechanics are "picture perfect" and as refined as any pitcher, ever. Maybe they were. Maybe they still are. I honestly don't know. Maybe Prior's problem is not mechanical...then again, perhaps there is an underlying mechanical quirk. We'll see eventually.
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Some thoughts and comments.
So far as Dusty goes...I don't think he's the root of all Cub ills. But he certainly has to go. It's become quite clear that he doesn't understand baseball as he continues to make baffling decision after baffling decision. His total lack of understanding of OBP and why it matters at the top of the lineup, as witnessed by his insistence on playing Patterson at leadoff last year. His curious love for Neifi Perez. Letting a pitcher bat for himself and then bringing in a reliever at the top of the next inning. Etc. This doesn't even touch his excuse-making stuff, like whining about a lack of a left-handed BP pitcher. What's more to the point is that he doesn't seem to be doing anything as a manager from a personnel perspective. By that I mean it's his job to manage these players. I don't mean he should be a yelling, screaming, Lou-Pinella-type of guy; I strongly disagree with those who think managers need to have fire. But the outside impression is that he's doing little or nothing to address mistakes his players make. (Here's a thought...$1k fine each time someone swings at a first pitch unless specifically given the green light. Maybe that will teach them.) Perhaps this is a mistaken impression...but hitting discipline needs to be addressed. I'm not saying you can turn a Jacque Jones into Ichiro, but I would think something would be doable, else why even bother to have hitting coaches? As for Hendry...well, I'm somewhere in between Mal and the Hendry groupies. He's made some very good moves -- Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, and plenty of others. Personally I thought Juan Pierre was a good move at the time -- yes, he's not an ideal leadoff guy, but I didn't see an ideal leadoff guy available, did you? (Couple years ago I was telling anyone who'd listen that the Cubs should make a run at that Podsednik kid the Brewers had...) But Mal has a very good point...an inability to draw walks and/or have some plate discipline has been a problem with this team for a long time, and Hendry has done very little to address it. And the Jacque Jones signing was laughable. (Of course, in the previous offseason J.D. Drew was right there for ya, but we were content with Jeromy Burnitz?!?) This season is done. No way is this team good enough to make the playoffs, and even if by some miracle they are, they won't get far. I say start prepping for the future now. Somebody make Hendry read Moneyball. And then somebody go find a manager who can understand it. --chris |
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In case you want to read about the disaster in the *other* league and maybe feel better about the Cubs, here's Rob and Rany on the Royals:
http://www.robneyer.com/robrany.html It's a helluva read.
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Yes, the Cubbies still play in that ivy-covered pearl of park called Wrigley When I was a boy they were my pride and joy When I became a man they were still my pride and joy And now they still bring me joy The home of the brave The land of the free And the team that matters to me Resides in the National League And Ernie yelled out, "The Cubs will be in the mix in 2006! Let's play two!" Those of you concerned about my sanity can address your cards and letters to: Cubalcholics Anonymous, Clark and Addison, Chicago, Illinois 60112.
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To Prof:
I agree with some of your thoughts and disagree with some others. First, on Prior and Wood I agree to a large extent, but not completely. It is a bad idea to put their eggs in that basket, although I think management realizes this. Remember, they still have Zambrano and Maddux. Maddux won't last forever, but Z will be around for a good long while. Rusch is off to a terrible start, but he's usually serviceable. They have a number of young arms coming up and they can get by with Z and Maddux as the aces until they are ready. In the meantime, it would not be at all a bad idea to get a couple innings eaters either by FA and trade. In other words, they should plan for life without Wood and Prior and consider it a bonus if they get anything out of them. Wood should be moved to the bullpen, IMO. As for Prior, I don't think he's a lost cause. Other than his current injury, his injuries have all been of the freak variety, and not anything to do with his pitching arm/mechanics. He's also a very smart guy so if there is something with his mechanics, I'm sure it can be worked out. It's not at all unusual for a young pitcher to suffer an injury and come back just as strong as ever. Prior may or may not be one of those, but I'm not ready to write him off yet. Obviously, though, they need to have better backup plans. That shouldn't be too difficult. As for the offense, I think the problems are being overstated, partly because of the injury to Lee, but mostly because of slow starts from some of their position players. Pierre, Ramirez and even Walker are performing well below their established norms. Murton and Cedeno are rookies who look very promising going forward, plus they have Pie coming up from the minors. Unfortunately, they are stuck with Jacque Jones for the next 2 plus seasons, which sucks, but the Cards are playing Juan Encarnacion every day and getting by with him. The offense is not going to be very good this season, but its not as bad as it looks right now and it will be much better next season. Going forward, I think the Cubs are not all that far away, actually. They do need to make some upgrades. If I were in charge, I would make the following moves either this year or in the off-season: 1. Fire Dusty Baker and hire someone who understands how to handle a pitching staff, especially one with fragile arms. 2. Sign or trade for at least two more starting pitchers who can pitch 200 innings at or around league average. 3. Move Kerry Wood to the pen. 4. Desperately try to trade Jacque Jones and his salary. 5. Let Pierre go and either sign or trade for a CF with a one year deal if Pie is not ready. Stick him in center if he is. 6. Get one more thumping, middle of the order type hitter, either through FA or trading a few of their prospects (not named Felix Pie or Angel Guzman if possible). Ramirez and Lee are great as your three and four hitters, but they lack that one bat for depth that a great team needs. That's not a whole lot of needs and all are easily doable. The Cubs are going to be bad this season, but not as bad as they look right now. They will be lucky to win 75 games, but depending upon what they do in the off-season, they could well be in the playoffs next year. I'm not ready to blow the team up or fire Hendry. They still have a great core in Maddux (for now), Z, Lee and Ramirez and some very promising youngsters. It's just a matter of getting the right support around them and think that is certainly doable. Last edited by TonyJ; 05-16-2006 at 01:59 AM. |
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I still would choose Zambrano. It's starts like these that make me go, "Ooh yeah, there's the zambrano I know."
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Wow, I'm shocked you all missed that. That song is called "A dying Cubs Fan's last request" by Steve Goodman.
And hey-hey, we wont yesterday. Its all turning around. |
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EDIT: I actually agreed with the entire post as well. I just don't know what Hendry can do about this item, at this point.
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As for "next year", anything is possible. The Cardinals are slipping and the Astros will be interesting. I think the Cubs will need everything to fall into place perfectly to be favored over the Brewers, but they should be in the mix as the entire division should continue to come back towards each other in most ways.
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