First impressions! - Page 12

darino · 06-04-2009, 01:42 AM

Having never played any version of OOTP baseball, I was looking forward to see if the playing experience matched my anticipation. I started a new season as the AZ Diamondbacks, and let the comp auto-play the first few games which were wins. Then I decided to try my hand at 'managing' (doing the hitting and pitching, setting the fielder positions etc). What happens? Connor Jackson drops a throw at first, Justin Upton drops a ball in the outfield, THEN gets hurt for 3-4 weeks, then Connor Jackson (subbing for injured Upton) drops a ball in the outfield. to top it off, Randy Wolf throws a one-hitter against me (Randy freakin' Wolf!) After the game, the news reports then have about 15 guys getting hurt around the league. So much for realism.

My first impressions? Much disappointment. I played Earl Weaver baseball back in the late 80's and hadnt really tried many baseball comp-simulation games since, but thought this was the most interesting looking game to come along and would give it a try. Apparently baseball comp-sim games have not progressed much since those Earl days, as this is just Earl Weaver baseball on steroids. More colors and graphics, but still alot of the 'just sit back and watch what happens' game play. That may suit alot of folks just fine, and that's great. But to me, old board games like 'Pursuit the Pennant' and 'Strat-o-matic' have more to offer in their simplicity then OOTP just gave me. Perhaps I was expecting TOO much, and I will try and give it more time, but if the rest of my impressions are like my first, OOTP may find itself at the back of my 'computer-game closet'.

bababui · 06-04-2009, 02:13 AM

The injury model in this gamer is an abject failure. It has no relation to real baseball and is weighted heavily toward simmers. Almost every injury happens in-game. Every injury no matter how minor results in the player leaving the game. Its ponderous and unrealistic.

Also, Im getting 4th year rather average players getting millions in arby. I love some of the new features, but, when it comes to playing out games, this game is a step back in the fun department from OOTP9 at this point.

darino · 06-04-2009, 02:27 AM

ok, now i am getting a little disturbed. In trying to go back and play again to give OOTP another chance, the game crashes when i click on anything from the main page. But before it does, it shows that the manager of the team/game i saved is a 23 year old named 'Garrett White'. This person is NOT me, and I do not have a CLUE who they are.

neojonas · 06-04-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by darino

ok, now i am getting a little disturbed. In trying to go back and play again to give OOTP another chance, the game crashes when i click on anything from the main page. But before it does, it shows that the manager of the team/game i saved is a 23 year old named 'Garrett White'. This person is NOT me, and I do not have a CLUE who they are. WTF?

I think that's the name of a main roster creator. He built the roster so his name was probably set as manager and since your game crashed while playing the MLB roster (I'm guessing) it loaded Garrett's name up by default. It's all good. Just change it to your name.

neojonas · 06-04-2009, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by darino

Having never played any version of OOTP baseball, I was looking forward to see if the playing experience matched my anticipation. I started a new season as the AZ Diamondbacks, and let the comp auto-play the first few games which were wins. Then I decided to try my hand at 'managing' (doing the hitting and pitching, setting the fielder positions etc). What happens? Connor Jackson drops a throw at first, Justin Upton drops a ball in the outfield, THEN gets hurt for 3-4 weeks, then Connor Jackson (subbing for injured Upton) drops a ball in the outfield. to top it off, Randy Wolf throws a one-hitter against me (Randy freakin' Wolf!) After the game, the news reports then have about 15 guys getting hurt around the league. So much for realism.

My first impressions? Much disappointment. I played Earl Weaver baseball back in the late 80's and hadnt really tried many baseball comp-simulation games since, but thought this was the most interesting looking game to come along and would give it a try. Apparently baseball comp-sim games have not progressed much since those Earl days, as this is just Earl Weaver baseball on steroids. More colors and graphics, but still alot of the 'just sit back and watch what happens' game play. That may suit alot of folks just fine, and that's great. But to me, old board games like 'Pursuit the Pennant' and 'Strat-o-matic' have more to offer in their simplicity then OOTP just gave me. Perhaps I was expecting TOO much, and I will try and give it more time, but if the rest of my impressions are like my first, OOTP may find itself at the back of my 'computer-game closet'.

I'm really sorry to hear your first time at managing didn't go so well. I hope you give it another try. Managing just 1 game is a pretty small sample size and stuff like that can happen in real life. One thing you could try if you want to reduce injuries is under Game Setup reduce injury frequency. I'm guessing you just had an unlucky day managing and your next game should hopefully go a lot better.

JWay · 06-04-2009, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by darino

ok, now i am getting a little disturbed. In trying to go back and play again to give OOTP another chance, the game crashes when i click on anything from the main page. But before it does, it shows that the manager of the team/game i saved is a 23 year old named 'Garrett White'. This person is NOT me, and I do not have a CLUE who they are. WTF?

That crash sounds like one that happens with a corrupt file being the last game played, usually caused by an improper save. I'd recommend removing that league file from your system and starting a new one. As for creating guys 1 by 1, you can export the league into a spreadsheet and then edit the guys from there however you want, then reimport them in.

Also with league modifiers, and everything else, there's no reason that with the proper amount of time spend you couldn't make your universe yours.

darino · 06-04-2009, 02:45 AM

oh, okay. *whew*. That would be all i need, someone hacking into my game and taking over as manager. Wait, isnt that how Steinbrenner and Martin meshed so well? ha!

*btw, someday down the road i want to be one of those that says 'i didnt think i was going to like this game as much as i do, but man was i wrong!' All i ask is to be as addicted as i am to EHM hockey, and we will be fine

injury log · 06-04-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Every injury no matter how minor results in the player leaving the game. Its ponderous and unrealistic.

If you want fewer players leaving games due to injury, is there any reason you haven't lowered the injury frequency setting?

bababui · 06-04-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

If you want fewer players leaving games due to injury, is there any reason you haven't lowered the injury frequency setting?

Injury Log..OOTPX gets injuries wrong on a grand scale. Its an abject failure. It doesnt mirror reality in any way. Markus seems to have made OOTPX for simmers. On a day to day level, the game is a failure. While this is a small sample size, it is telling. While many players get injured, a few players seem to rack up a disproportionate number of injuries. The game doesnt understand this.

jbergey22 · 06-04-2009, 03:17 AM

Any team can have a bad run of injuries that doesnt really add a lot of help.

What does the league look like for injuries?

I think sample size again is the problem as Im not seeing anything strange and I changed my settings to High.

bababui · 06-04-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Any team can have a bad run of injuries that doesnt really add a lot of help.

What does the league look like for injuries?

I think sample size again is the problem as Im not seeing anything strange and I changed my settings to High.

I posted earlier something like 120 injuries in the first 10 days. A few players usually have a disproportionate number of injuries but OOTPX doesnt recognize this. Also, many injuries do not happen during the games.

kq76 · 06-04-2009, 03:20 AM

We should also keep in mind the time of year that injuries happen. Injuries happen more frequently during spring training, especially if you don't adequately spread out the playing time. I wonder if Markus has programmed it to vary at other times of the season as well.

dingus4ever · 06-04-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by injury log

If you want fewer players leaving games due to injury, is there any reason you haven't lowered the injury frequency setting?

I'd hate to speak for others but I know for me it is because it feels like cheating.

Ghetto Anthony · 06-04-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dingus4ever

I'd hate to speak for others but I know for me it is because it feels like cheating.

See that never even crossed my mind. It's changing the Injury Frequency for the AI too isn't it? So you're not getting any advantages.

I tried changing it to Low... But I wasn't seeing enough injuries. And Normal had too many.

For whatever reason High seems to suit me the best.

jbergey22 · 06-04-2009, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dingus4ever

I'd hate to speak for others but I know for me it is because it feels like cheating.

Well its not cheating if its the way you want it. This is kind of tricky as I have heard a few complaints about injuries but Ive also heard from beta testers that this area was really a major point of emphasis. I am sure someone brilliant is taking this subject on as a write this and will have a nice sample size to go by.

dingus4ever · 06-04-2009, 03:39 AM

I grew up with SNES etc. I always felt like, if this is the default, if this is how the designers say this game is supposed to be, then anything else really isn't right. I never change settings in a game. Whatever is default is how it is meant to be played. It is somewhat OCD but it is just a relic from my days in the early 90s playing good ol SNES games.

dcpcarmona · 06-04-2009, 03:43 AM

d/l time = < 20 min. EXCELLENT work guys!!!

Markus Heinsohn · 06-04-2009, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

If we are going to try to replicate real life injury trends we need to study the real type and duration of those injuries.

That is exactly what we did, and the game matches it! Did you know that in 2008 there were 1300+ injuries in the MLB? Now, do the math.

Trust me, the game both matches frequency of frequency of different lengths very well, we have tested this in depth during beta.

jbergey22 · 06-04-2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That is exactly what we did, and the game matches it! Did you know that in 2008 there were 1300+ injuries in the MLB? Now, do the math.

Trust me, the game both matches frequency of frequency of different lengths very well, we have tested this in depth during beta.

Some people have mentioned they think too many long term injuries are the problem.

If 50% of them 1300 injuries were 7 days are less was that studied and implemented?

NEVERMIND it appears you answered it

dingus4ever · 06-04-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That is exactly what we did, and the game matches it! Did you know that in 2008 there were 1300+ injuries in the MLB? Now, do the math.

Trust me, the game both matches frequency of frequency of different lengths very well, we have tested this in depth during beta.

Sadly I think most of us don't like ultra realism lol. But Kudos on the game. I wanna tell you personally it is phenomenal. I just have to get used to the injuries and build a team with more depth.

Awesome work

06-04-2009, 02:27 AM	#223
darino Bat Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	ok, now i am getting a little disturbed. In trying to go back and play again to give OOTP another chance, the game crashes when i click on anything from the main page. But before it does, it shows that the manager of the team/game i saved is a 23 year old named 'Garrett White'. This person is NOT me, and I do not have a CLUE who they are. Last edited by kq76; 06-04-2009 at 03:10 AM. Reason: watch your language, please

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darino Bat Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	oh, okay. whew. That would be all i need, someone hacking into my game and taking over as manager. Wait, isnt that how Steinbrenner and Martin meshed so well? ha! btw, someday down the road i want to be one of those that says 'i didnt think i was going to like this game as much as i do, but man was i wrong!' All i ask is to be as addicted as i am to EHM hockey, and we will be fine Last edited by darino; 06-04-2009 at 02:46 AM.*

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dcpcarmona All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: at the New Moon Posts: 1,644	d/l time = < 20 min. EXCELLENT work guys!!! __________________ "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." -Rogers Hornsby Last edited by dcpcarmona; 06-04-2009 at 03:46 AM.

06-04-2009, 01:42 AM	#221
darino Bat Boy Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6	Having never played any version of OOTP baseball, I was looking forward to see if the playing experience matched my anticipation. I started a new season as the AZ Diamondbacks, and let the comp auto-play the first few games which were wins. Then I decided to try my hand at 'managing' (doing the hitting and pitching, setting the fielder positions etc). What happens? Connor Jackson drops a throw at first, Justin Upton drops a ball in the outfield, THEN gets hurt for 3-4 weeks, then Connor Jackson (subbing for injured Upton) drops a ball in the outfield. to top it off, Randy Wolf throws a one-hitter against me (Randy freakin' Wolf!) After the game, the news reports then have about 15 guys getting hurt around the league. So much for realism. My first impressions? Much disappointment. I played Earl Weaver baseball back in the late 80's and hadnt really tried many baseball comp-simulation games since, but thought this was the most interesting looking game to come along and would give it a try. Apparently baseball comp-sim games have not progressed much since those Earl days, as this is just Earl Weaver baseball on steroids. More colors and graphics, but still alot of the 'just sit back and watch what happens' game play. That may suit alot of folks just fine, and that's great. But to me, old board games like 'Pursuit the Pennant' and 'Strat-o-matic' have more to offer in their simplicity then OOTP just gave me. Perhaps I was expecting TOO much, and I will try and give it more time, but if the rest of my impressions are like my first, OOTP may find itself at the back of my 'computer-game closet'.

06-04-2009, 03:17 AM	#230
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Any team can have a bad run of injuries that doesnt really add a lot of help. What does the league look like for injuries? I think sample size again is the problem as Im not seeing anything strange and I changed my settings to High.

06-04-2009, 03:39 AM	#236
dingus4ever Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 28	I grew up with SNES etc. I always felt like, if this is the default, if this is how the designers say this game is supposed to be, then anything else really isn't right. I never change settings in a game. Whatever is default is how it is meant to be played. It is somewhat OCD but it is just a relic from my days in the early 90s playing good ol SNES games.