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twistedratt · 06-25-2009, 04:05 PM

That is one of the problems, International football being ref'd differently than league games. And yes they are different games but Bradley's sliding tackle was not a red in any league anywhere no matter who was reffing it.

mlyons · 06-25-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Both of the US's red cards were deserved. If you tackle late in international football then you get a card. And it is usualy red.
And considering the amount of time the US was pinned in it's own half it is fortunate they did not collect more cards.

The US has been given three red cards in the Confederations Cup. Two of them were indeed deserved, I think, but Bradley's yesterday was not. He came in with his cleats showing, but it was low, timed well, and he got all ball and no man with his tackle. I wouldn't even have called a foul, much less given a red.

mlyons · 06-25-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

I said English refs are the best and even those are few and far between, refs from countries like Sri Lanka as an example just aren't up to scratch it would be like saying somebody who refs in the English non leagues should be able to ref top matches.

Refs from countries like Sri Lanka don't referee international tournaments, though, at least not without first gaining the type of experience you're talking about. FIFA referees start out as assistants working friendlies before they get the head jobs at tournaments.

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Let me ask you a question do you think an official from a college baseball game who is used to games attended by say 5,000 fans could handle the pressure of a World Series game attended by around 50,000 with cameras from all around the globe, personally I think he'd need a change of boxers every inning.

If you just tossed him into that, sure, he'd probably have issues. That's not what FIFA does with its refs, though. It's not like they pluck a guy straight from a semi-pro league in Burkina Faso and put him in charge of a Confederations Cup semifinal. These guys have to work their way up through the ranks.

And really, if the representative from the elite European countries is Howard Webb (who botched things up pretty well in the EURO 2008 tournament, as I recall), I don't see how that's an improvement over the referees from other countries we've been seeing in this tournament.

ukhotstove · 06-26-2009, 05:46 AM

Yet again did I state anywhere that English refs were perfect ? Again just in case you missed it I stated English refs even though imo they are the best are few and far between. The pace and such of International football is way beyond what refs from lesser countries are used to, for everytime you mention a top ref making a balls up I could probably mention 10 times the ammount made by refs from lesser countries.

I also stated in previous posts why I think the quality of refs is going down and when you get a ref who is used to officiating games you could nearly rank as non league games and you put him into an atmosphere he isn't used to (running the lines is TOTALLY different than being the man in the middle) then you can expect him to make more mistakes than one who is used to the pressure.

mlyons · 06-26-2009, 12:33 PM

All you've done is make assertions about the inferior quality of refs from nations other than England (while somehow still maintaining that English refs are awful, which I don't quite get) without backing it up. Hell, you haven't even defined what a "lesser nation" is. Other than you thinking that that's the way it should be, what basis do you have for thinking that referees from places other than England, Spain, or Italy (presumably) perform worse in international tournaments?

bababui · 06-26-2009, 01:04 PM

Bayer Leverkusen midfielder Bernd Schneider forced to retire - Europe - ESPN Soccernet

Bernd Schneider forced to retire through injury. He was a fun player to watch.

ukhotstove · 06-26-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

All you've done is make assertions about the inferior quality of refs from nations other than England (while somehow still maintaining that English refs are awful, which I don't quite get) without backing it up. Hell, you haven't even defined what a "lesser nation" is. Other than you thinking that that's the way it should be, what basis do you have for thinking that referees from places other than England, Spain, or Italy (presumably) perform worse in international tournaments?

Watching around about 50 International games live in England and in Europe (not on TV), I'd say around the same ammount of games in European competition maybe a bit more plus watching games in various European countries (again live not on tv) and hundreds probably even close to 1,000 games live in the UK then treble that ammount if you include tv games then I think I've seen one or two refs

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ukhotstove · 06-26-2009, 02:17 PM

Also I didn't state in any of my posts that English refs are "awful" please show me where I did and I'll apologise to you, I stated imo English refs are the best but there are only a few good refs in England which in other words says that other countries have even fewer good refs, example being Italian refs have gone further down in my opinion since Collina retired but that may change since he's a consultant to Italian refs.

ukhotstove · 06-26-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Bayer Leverkusen midfielder Bernd Schneider forced to retire - Europe - ESPN Soccernet

Bernd Schneider forced to retire through injury. He was a fun player to watch.

I've never really had a favourite German player since Pierre Littbarski retired.

bababui · 06-26-2009, 02:27 PM

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I've never really had a favourite German player since Pierre Littbarski retired.

There have been some great ones to watch. Lothar Mattheus, Klinnsman, Ballack, Frings.

ukhotstove · 06-26-2009, 02:36 PM

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There have been some great ones to watch. Lothar Mattheus, Klinnsman, Ballack, Frings.

Not saying there haven't been any good German football players just never had a favourite since Littbarski retired.

mlyons · 06-26-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Watching around about 50 International games live in England and in Europe (not on TV), I'd say around the same ammount of games in European competition maybe a bit more plus watching games in various European countries (again live not on tv) and hundreds probably even close to 1,000 games live in the UK then treble that ammount if you include tv games then I think I've seen one or two refs

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So what are the "lesser" nations for producing referees, then? Are Swiss referees better or worse than Dutch referees? Do Chilean referees give out more yellow cards than Australian referees? Outside of England (obviously), what nation produces the best referees?

bababui · 06-28-2009, 02:20 AM

Eto'o to Man City for 25 mil according to Sky

rudel.dietrich · 06-28-2009, 04:23 AM

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Eto'o to Man City for 25 mil according to Sky

That seems extremly cheap
I wondered how long it would take him to leave Spain. The racism thrown at him at away matches seemed to bother him heavily.

rudel.dietrich · 06-28-2009, 04:40 AM

I am suprised there is not more talk about the final that is to be played tonight. I am going down to the local pub to have a nice hamburger and chips and down a couple of summer wheats.
Despite what one poster tried to say up above. Their is hardly any anti US sentiment. At least here in Germany. For the most part the sports news is treating this with much fanfare.
That partly stems from Brazil not being that popular. But I do think many fans have a rooting interest in the US team in a underdog role.

And I do think the US has a chance of winning. They need to limit the amount of chances Brazil has off set pieces. Brazil scores about 1/3 of their goals on set pieces. They need another stellar GK effort.
South Africa showed that Brazil can be out worked athleticaly. The US can do this if they want too.
Finally the US offensive chances have to come in the air. The Brazil back line can be beaten in the air off crosses and set pieces. The US set pieces takers cannot waste set piece chances or crosses. They will not get many. They have to be delievered in the air and on target.

bababui · 06-28-2009, 03:02 PM

USA 2 Brazil 0

Its early but its unbelievable.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2009, 03:41 PM

US have impressed me, they play as a team. I know people could say it's not the World Cup and such but to me they have proved that there are no real top teams at this time in football and next years World Cup is as wide open as it's ever been, one of the reasons I've put a nice size bet on England.

bababui · 06-28-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

US have impressed me, they play as a team. I know people could say it's not the World Cup and such but to me they have proved that there are no real top teams at this time in football and next years World Cup is as wide open as it's ever been, one of the reasons I've put a nice size bet on England.

Agree but I would advice putting all your money and property on Wales.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2009, 03:47 PM

Also what I've noticed during this tournament is there are alot of average players playing for some of the teams specially Brazil and Italy.

ukhotstove · 06-28-2009, 03:51 PM

Should have been 2-2, anti US ?

06-26-2009, 12:33 PM	#225
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	All you've done is make assertions about the inferior quality of refs from nations other than England (while somehow still maintaining that English refs are awful, which I don't quite get) without backing it up. Hell, you haven't even defined what a "lesser nation" is. Other than you thinking that that's the way it should be, what basis do you have for thinking that referees from places other than England, Spain, or Italy (presumably) perform worse in international tournaments? __________________ Things can always be worse.

06-25-2009, 04:05 PM	#221
twistedratt Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 13	That is one of the problems, International football being ref'd differently than league games. And yes they are different games but Bradley's sliding tackle was not a red in any league anywhere no matter who was reffing it.

06-26-2009, 05:46 AM	#224
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Yet again did I state anywhere that English refs were perfect ? Again just in case you missed it I stated English refs even though imo they are the best are few and far between. The pace and such of International football is way beyond what refs from lesser countries are used to, for everytime you mention a top ref making a balls up I could probably mention 10 times the ammount made by refs from lesser countries. I also stated in previous posts why I think the quality of refs is going down and when you get a ref who is used to officiating games you could nearly rank as non league games and you put him into an atmosphere he isn't used to (running the lines is TOTALLY different than being the man in the middle) then you can expect him to make more mistakes than one who is used to the pressure.

06-26-2009, 02:17 PM	#228
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Also I didn't state in any of my posts that English refs are "awful" please show me where I did and I'll apologise to you, I stated imo English refs are the best but there are only a few good refs in England which in other words says that other countries have even fewer good refs, example being Italian refs have gone further down in my opinion since Collina retired but that may change since he's a consultant to Italian refs.

06-28-2009, 04:40 AM	#235
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I am suprised there is not more talk about the final that is to be played tonight. I am going down to the local pub to have a nice hamburger and chips and down a couple of summer wheats. Despite what one poster tried to say up above. Their is hardly any anti US sentiment. At least here in Germany. For the most part the sports news is treating this with much fanfare. That partly stems from Brazil not being that popular. But I do think many fans have a rooting interest in the US team in a underdog role. And I do think the US has a chance of winning. They need to limit the amount of chances Brazil has off set pieces. Brazil scores about 1/3 of their goals on set pieces. They need another stellar GK effort. South Africa showed that Brazil can be out worked athleticaly. The US can do this if they want too. Finally the US offensive chances have to come in the air. The Brazil back line can be beaten in the air off crosses and set pieces. The US set pieces takers cannot waste set piece chances or crosses. They will not get many. They have to be delievered in the air and on target.

06-28-2009, 03:41 PM	#237
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	US have impressed me, they play as a team. I know people could say it's not the World Cup and such but to me they have proved that there are no real top teams at this time in football and next years World Cup is as wide open as it's ever been, one of the reasons I've put a nice size bet on England.

06-28-2009, 03:47 PM	#239
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Also what I've noticed during this tournament is there are alot of average players playing for some of the teams specially Brazil and Italy.

06-28-2009, 03:51 PM	#240
ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Should have been 2-2, anti US ?