2024 WNBA Thread - Page 11

Syd Thrift · 06-23-2024, 06:11 PM

Possible Game of the Year candidate today, granted that both teams are not good. The Chicago Sky went on an 18-4 run late to beat the Fever 88-87. Angel Reese had 25 points and 16 boards while Caitlin Clark had 17 with 13 dimes for Indiana.

pilight · 06-25-2024, 05:37 PM

The Fever are getting some front court help as Damiris Dantas is finally ready to come back from her knee injury

dsvitak · 07-02-2024, 09:36 PM

Fever at Las Vegas. Sold out, 20,000 in attendance, average seat price $153, as reported by ESPN.

My math shows three million dollars, in one game. Doesn't include TV, concessions, or merchandise.

Payroll for BOTH teams, combined, for the YEAR is less than 3 million.

The modern WNBA is obscenely profitable. Change my mind.

Sweed · 07-03-2024, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsvitak

Fever at Las Vegas. Sold out, 20,000 in attendance, average seat price $153, as reported by ESPN.

My math shows three million dollars, in one game. Doesn't include TV, concessions, or merchandise.

Payroll for BOTH teams, combined, for the YEAR is less than 3 million.

The modern WNBA is obscenely profitable. Change my mind.

It's one game with CC. How does the math work for most other games when CC isn't playing?

What did they pay over and above normal to change locations? I don't believe their normal arena gives them a credit for not using the facility, ie they pay twice. ??

I'm not saying none of the teams make a profit. I'm sure Indiana is making out just fine, but context is important.

pilight · 07-03-2024, 08:02 AM

The W is more profitable than they let on but there are other factors to consider. The W doesn't have their stadium costs subsidized like the major men's leagues and their media rights are significantly undervalued.

Cobra Mgr · 07-03-2024, 08:35 AM

WNBA has been going on for 27 seasons.

Do you really think it would still be in operation if the previous 26 Caitlin Clark free years weren't profitable?

Sweed · 07-03-2024, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

WNBA has been going on for 27 seasons.

Do you really think it would still be in operation if the previous 26 Caitlin Clark free years weren't profitable?

Yes. Add to that the post I responded to said

Quote:

The modern WNBA is obscenely profitable.

while basing the opinion on a CC sold out arena.

Obscenely?

Ty Cobb · 07-03-2024, 05:41 PM

The WNBA has NEVER made a profit.

dsvitak · 07-03-2024, 05:46 PM

$1.5 million per year, for all the salaries of all the players.

EVEN IF the average attendance is 6k, at a rate of $100 per average ticket, then the WNBA remains obscenely (in a good way) profitable.

One game would pay 40% of the salary for one of the two teams, not even factoring in concessions and merchandise, or parking.

Cobra Mgr · 07-03-2024, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

The WNBA has NEVER made a profit.

And anyone who believes multiple businessmen would continue to pour millions into a non profitable venture for 3 decades will believe anything. If I were to believe the NBA, I would have to turn off my common sense. It really amazes me how gullible the general public is.

pilight · 07-03-2024, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

The WNBA has NEVER made a profit.

Prove it

Sweed · 07-04-2024, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsvitak

$1.5 million per year, for all the salaries of all the players.

EVEN IF the average attendance is 6k, at a rate of $100 per average ticket, then the WNBA remains obscenely (in a good way) profitable.

One game would pay 40% of the salary for one of the two teams, not even factoring in concessions and merchandise, or parking.

The top 4 players in the league make almost 1 mil. combined with number 4 at 242K. There are 20 players making 200k or more according to Sportico with the same list and figures repeated on other sites.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/bas...ut-1234779839/

That's over 4.5 mil to the top 20 players.

I'm not saying they've never turned a profit. I just can't see how one would use sold out Fever games as a gauge on ticket prices or the profits the league may be making in total. I have no idea if or how the league shares revenue? I assume they all get the same cut of national tv money, but after that what other money is pooled? I'd guess they only share gates between home and away teams and Indiana is laughing all the way to the bank? Then add in all of the jersey and team specific merchandise too.

Hopefully other teams are seeing some increases too with the new eyes that have tuned in, but I can't imagine more than one or two teams (if that) are close to what Indiana is doing.

Ty Cobb · 07-04-2024, 04:02 PM

Finally, something the informed left and right agree on: The WNBA has NEVER turned a profit...

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketba...ncially-years#

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/b...all-money.html

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-wa...ldnt-exist-and

Cobra Mgr · 07-04-2024, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Finally, something the informed left and right agree on: The WNBA has NEVER turned a profit...

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketba...ncially-years#

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/b...all-money.html

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-wa...ldnt-exist-and

Name one thing starting now you would spend millions on besides family, hobby charity or society changing advancement (spacecraft, flying cars, cure for cancer)w/o hope of seeing any profit til 2051. Because that is what the NBA, media & you expect me to believe the NBA has been doing. That not just one, but 50 or more multi millionaires have all been investing in a failed money making venture for the last 27 years.

mytreds · 07-04-2024, 06:07 PM

Don’t know if it’s been said yet, but don’t confuse gross profit with net profit.

mytreds · 07-04-2024, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Name one thing starting now you would spend millions on besides family, hobby charity or society changing advancement (spacecraft, flying cars, cure for cancer)w/o hope of seeing any profit til 2051. Because that is what the NBA, media & you expect me to believe the NBA has been doing. That not just one, but 50 or more multi millionaires have all been investing in a failed money making venture for the last 27 years.

If they are given “free” money (subsidies) to prop up a woman’s league in order to score virtue points, yes they would. At a certain point they will stop, but they will float along as long as the “free” money keeps coming in.

monkeyman576 · 07-04-2024, 06:38 PM

I think it's pretty clear WNBA does not make much, if anything, profit wise, if it did WNBA players would make more than they do.

pilight · 07-04-2024, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Finally, something the informed left and right agree on: The WNBA has NEVER turned a profit...

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketba...ncially-years#

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/b...all-money.html

https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-wa...ldnt-exist-and

They're all taking Silver and company at their word. You know, the same guys that say 3/4 of NBA teams lose money. It's the fakest of fake news.

Ty Cobb · 07-04-2024, 07:03 PM

Ah, finance deniers. You harangue me if the link is Breitbart, and criticize me if it’s the Grey Lady. They both agree on this. Prove your argument.

monkeyman576 · 07-05-2024, 01:08 AM

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...2.cms?from=mdr

It also highlighted a hard truth that largely goes unspoken about the WNBA and many women’s sports leagues: They aren’t profitable.

07-03-2024, 08:35 AM	#206
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,069	WNBA has been going on for 27 seasons. Do you really think it would still be in operation if the previous 26 Caitlin Clark free years weren't profitable? __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

07-03-2024, 05:41 PM	#208
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	The WNBA has NEVER made a profit. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

07-04-2024, 04:02 PM	#213
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	Finally, something the informed left and right agree on: The WNBA has NEVER turned a profit... https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketba...ncially-years# https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/b...all-money.html https://www.mediamatters.org/matt-wa...ldnt-exist-and __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

07-04-2024, 06:07 PM	#215
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,183	Don’t know if it’s been said yet, but don’t confuse gross profit with net profit. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

07-04-2024, 07:03 PM	#219
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,617	Ah, finance deniers. You harangue me if the link is Breitbart, and criticize me if it’s the Grey Lady. They both agree on this. Prove your argument. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos Last edited by Ty Cobb; 07-04-2024 at 07:39 PM.

06-25-2024, 05:37 PM	#202
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	The Fever are getting some front court help as Damiris Dantas is finally ready to come back from her knee injury

07-02-2024, 09:36 PM	#203
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,393	Fever at Las Vegas. Sold out, 20,000 in attendance, average seat price $153, as reported by ESPN. My math shows three million dollars, in one game. Doesn't include TV, concessions, or merchandise. Payroll for BOTH teams, combined, for the YEAR is less than 3 million. The modern WNBA is obscenely profitable. Change my mind.

07-03-2024, 08:02 AM	#205
pilight Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Action is Posts: 2,045	The W is more profitable than they let on but there are other factors to consider. The W doesn't have their stadium costs subsidized like the major men's leagues and their media rights are significantly undervalued.

07-03-2024, 05:46 PM	#209
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,393	$1.5 million per year, for all the salaries of all the players. EVEN IF the average attendance is 6k, at a rate of $100 per average ticket, then the WNBA remains obscenely (in a good way) profitable. One game would pay 40% of the salary for one of the two teams, not even factoring in concessions and merchandise, or parking.

07-04-2024, 06:38 PM	#217
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,692	I think it's pretty clear WNBA does not make much, if anything, profit wise, if it did WNBA players would make more than they do.

07-05-2024, 01:08 AM	#220
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,692	https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...2.cms?from=mdr It also highlighted a hard truth that largely goes unspoken about the WNBA and many women’s sports leagues: They aren’t profitable.