2023 NFL Off season News

[Cobra Mgr]

I can't be the only one who doesn't believe for a second Aaron Rodgers truly gave back $35M on his contract, can I?

[monkeyman576]

I'm tired of all the whining on running back valuation. It's an open market. They know why their value is lower. If they would play 20 year careers, then they would get paid more, but they don't, you are lucky to get 10 years out of a running back, 5 at peak value.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I can't be the only one who doesn't believe for a second Aaron Rodgers truly gave back $35M on his contract, can I?

He might have. He's super loaded. We don't know his motives. The Jets have a legit shot this year if he has anything left. He counts almost nothing against the cap. The Jets can stack the team.

[Cobra Mgr]

[Cobra Mgr]

LeBetard made a good point this morning. Dalvin Cook is being wooed by the entire AFC East & yet no one is raising their offer.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

He might have. He's super loaded. We don't know his motives. The Jets have a legit shot this year if he has anything left. He counts almost nothing against the cap. The Jets can stack the team.

On top of that, I would be negative surprised at A-Aron doing something to stick it to the Packers; he was never particularly on board with the Jordan Love pick and now he's been pushed aside in favor of him. I believe he's still on the books for $43M against Green Bay's cap this year, which is now more than what the Jets have to pay him for the next 2 years total.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

On top of that, I would be negative surprised at A-Aron doing something to stick it to the Packers; he was never particularly on board with the Jordan Love pick and now he's been pushed aside in favor of him. I believe he's still on the books for $43M against Green Bay's cap this year, which is now more than what the Jets have to pay him for the next 2 years total.

He actually did take a pay cut. You can see it in his contract details. That's not something you can hide from the cap.

Of course Rodgers isn't going to be on board with the Jordan Love pick. But not because he feels threatened, which is the mistake a lot of people are making. Competitors want to win. Picking a QB in the first round does nothing to better the team now. Big Ben made a speech on this several years back. How does that pick better our team now? It doesn't.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

He actually did take a pay cut. You can see it in his contract details. That's not something you can hide from the cap.

Of course Rodgers isn't going to be on board with the Jordan Love pick. But not because he feels threatened, which is the mistake a lot of people are making. Competitors want to win. Picking a QB in the first round does nothing to better the team now. Big Ben made a speech on this several years back. How does that pick better our team now? It doesn't.

Who says they would put it on the record? $35M is what they report. But under the table is another story.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

He actually did take a pay cut. You can see it in his contract details. That's not something you can hide from the cap.

Of course Rodgers isn't going to be on board with the Jordan Love pick. But not because he feels threatened, which is the mistake a lot of people are making. Competitors want to win. Picking a QB in the first round does nothing to better the team now. Big Ben made a speech on this several years back. How does that pick better our team now? It doesn't.

It was both. He expressed strong resentment for the pick when he thought the team was a piece or two away at the time and he also said he has no intentions of being a mentor, and he was not a mentor to Love. I’m not really a big fan of Rodgers but he’s been pretty consistent on that front.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Who says they would put it on the record? $35M is what they report. But under the table is another story.

You mean pay the man money that never goes on the cap? I'm not suggesting the Jets aren't doing something for Rodgers, I just don't think it's that. Too risky. An owner could lose the team. Owners don't like it when other owners hide money.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You mean pay the man money that never goes on the cap? I'm not suggesting the Jets aren't doing something for Rodgers, I just don't think it's that. Too risky. An owner could lose the team. Owners don't like it when other owners hide money.

And yet, what was Dan Snyder fined for on his way out?

Woody Johnson is pushing 80 & has owned the Jets for about 25 seasons. He is in prime who gives a bleep position.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

And yet, what was Dan Snyder fined for on his way out?

Woody Johnson is pushing 80 & has owned the Jets for about 25 seasons. He is in prime who gives a bleep position.

I think that's the main reason he was pushed out. He was hiding revenue share money.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I think that's the main reason he was pushed out. He was hiding revenue share money.

Rodgers didn't want to give a cent back to GB to help out the franchise. Even losing his fave target. Now he is willing to depart w/$35M? I know A Rod has $, I know he hated GB, I know he is weird, & I believe he has narc personality disorder.

But $35M is a lot of petty.

[Syd Thrift]

I don’t think he has NPD at all. I realize that thats the big fun diagnosis to make what with [REDACTED] being an obvious example of one… but at that, how does Rodgers act like [REDACTED] like at all? I don’t particularly care for Rodgers but thinking you poop don’t stink is not what makes you a narcissist.

Even among sports stars I’d point much more to a guy like Steve Garvey as a possible example, not because he’s a hateful figure but because he displays those symptoms.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I don’t think he has NPD at all. I realize that thats the big fun diagnosis to make what with [REDACTED] being an obvious example of one… but at that, how does Rodgers act like [REDACTED] like at all? I don’t particularly care for Rodgers but thinking you poop don’t stink is not what makes you a narcissist.

Even among sports stars I’d point much more to a guy like Steve Garvey as a possible example, not because he’s a hateful figure but because he displays those symptoms.

I just don't know. We don't know what motivates people. I went from an 80k to 100k job a year to a 55k job a year because it was waaaaaay easier. But I did it because of a nice inheritance. I no longer needed the extra money. It's weird how things can change overnight.

We don't know what motivates Rodgers. 35M to him might be like 35k to me.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

I don’t think he has NPD at all. I realize that thats the big fun diagnosis to make what with [REDACTED] being an obvious example of one… but at that, how does Rodgers act like [REDACTED] like at all? I don’t particularly care for Rodgers but thinking you poop don’t stink is not what makes you a narcissist.

Even among sports stars I’d point much more to a guy like Steve Garvey as a possible example, not because he’s a hateful figure but because he displays those symptoms.

There are more reasons. Why did he drop all contact w/his family? He donates $ to Caly fire victims but doesn't check on his own mother? How many ex's has he been engaged to that flamed out? He is easily offended. He holds grudges & once you are on his bad side you stay there. He clearly thinks he is the superior specimen on the planet AND wants everyone to treat & acknowledge him as such. Like their existence depends on him. He expects to be treated as if the rules don't apply to him. Obviously arrogant.

To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, if he ain't a narc he's wearing a narc's uniform.

[Ragnar]

In other news, Alvin Kamara was suspended 3 games.

Can someone tell me why the NFL bothers with these non football related suspensions? This suspension makes no sense.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I'm tired of all the whining on running back valuation. It's an open market. They know why their value is lower. If they would play 20 year careers, then they would get paid more, but they don't, you are lucky to get 10 years out of a running back, 5 at peak value.

That, and - very much unlike star QB's, WR's, and pass rushers, etc., - star RB's are not seen as head and shoulders above the quality of any number of guys available to replace them. IOW, while teams would love to have Dalvin Cook and Patrick Mahomes as their RB and QB, a USFL/XFL standout RB is going to be much closer in skill/ouput level to Cook than an USFL/XFL standout QB is going to be to Mahomes.

Not that Cook isn't very good and significantly better than Abram Smith (XLF leading rusher), but Cook's shelf life will be short and you can still get productivity out of a journeyman or young/talented/unproven RB. However, Alex McGough (USFL QB & MVP)'s best realistic outcome is sticking as a solid backup NFL QB, and you plug him in as KC's starting QB the Chiefs instantly go from Super Bowl fave to will struggle to make the playoffs.

It sucks for standout RB's, but throwing lots of guaranteed money at them just doesn't make sense. In fact I think I read somewhere where Todd Gurley was the poster child for why you don't overpay RB's, and that's primarily where NFL GM's learned their lesson...

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

In other news, Alvin Kamara was suspended 3 games.

Can someone tell me why the NFL bothers with these non football related suspensions? This suspension makes no sense.

Public relations cause the NFL was afraid of Pacman Jones becoming the face of the NFL. I said it when the NFL started their conduct policy & I will say it again: It is not the NFL's (or any employer) job to police society. It is society's job to police the NFL.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Public relations cause the NFL was afraid of Pacman Jones becoming the face of the NFL. I said it when the NFL started their conduct policy & I will say it again: It is not the NFL's (or any employer) job to police society. It is society's job to police the NFL.

On some level I can understand the public relations concern. But not for every little thing. Kamara went through the process, let it be. How does this 3 week suspension help the NFL? No one cares. If anything, it angered more fans.

It's just my opinion that when you want to act in regard to PR then you make a statement, or you don't do anything at all. They failed at both.