ow indicative are minor stats for major league success? - Page 2

IatricSB · 01-04-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

Strar ratings mean nothing due to what your managing scheme is. This is esp true in the majors, you see players flourish on one team & flounder on others. A 5 star player who doesn't fit into your scheme will decrese your overall performence. Lets say your scheme is Pitching & Defence. You sign a guy in pre season that is an offensive power house (.350 & 70hrs) plays 2B. His rating is 5 stars but fielding is a 1. That one player though increasing your offense is a Decrement to your team as he will give you around 10-20 more losses in a season. I have made a team that won 126 games in a season with 0 five star players. All my offense was average but my pitching & defence was all tops. All my guys were tops in range & my pitchers were control artists. You have to pick what you want to be good at when you start to manage a club & stick to it.

I still don't see how your comment reflects on the "volatility" of strar [sic] ratings. I was looking at volatility as meaning that they go up and down quite a bit from season to season and that wouldn't be true without either a talent hit/bump or some kind of change in status (turning 26 or getting enough experience to go from blue to gold). As for your example regarding the 2Bman defense, the only way a bad fielder can cost you 20 games in a season is if his hitting is as good/bad as the better defender. Sure, you can sign a guy that hit .350 & 70 HRs with a 1 defense (scale of 1 to 5?) and he probably will cost you 10 games (20 is too high based on studies others have done) if the guy he replaced was a .350 & 70 HRs rating with a 5 for defense (using 1 to 5 scale). But if that same guy you signed replaced a 5 defense rating player that hit .235 with a .300 SLG and OBP, then at worst it's a wash and my money would be on the .350 guy helping you. I've done the exact same thing in online leagues and yes my ERA went up a bit, but the increase in offense offset it. You're mileage may vary.

Cyclone792 · 01-04-2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

Personally I don't know if you have ever pitched in Denver but breaking pitches are not FLATTER. They don't have a sharp break. & a harder hit ball is going to go further? Futher & the outfield walls being deeper are going to have an effect on extra base hits.

1) "If putting balls in play is the best approach for hitters in Denver, then it makes sense for the Rockies to favor pitchers who strike out a bunch of guys. This is difficult: the effect of Coors Field on breaking pitches makes it hard for pitchers to get the batter to swing and miss, much less do so three times. Coors is not a good strikeout park, reducing them by 15% a year" -- STATS, Inc.

2) The thinner air means that there's less resistance on pitches, which prevents pitchers from throwing breaking balls that depend on air resistance to break. Breaking balls don't break properly at Coors Field meaning that breaking ball pitchers get shelled when they leave pitches up in the strike zone.

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

I still don't see how your comment reflects on the "volatility" of strar [sic] ratings. I was looking at volatility as meaning that they go up and down quite a bit from season to season and that wouldn't be true without either a talent hit/bump or some kind of change in status (turning 26 or getting enough experience to go from blue to gold). As for your example regarding the 2Bman defense, the only way a bad fielder can cost you 20 games in a season is if his hitting is as good/bad as the better defender. Sure, you can sign a guy that hit .350 & 70 HRs with a 1 defense (scale of 1 to 5?) and he probably will cost you 10 games (20 is too high based on studies others have done) if the guy he replaced was a .350 & 70 HRs rating with a 5 for defense (using 1 to 5 scale). But if that same guy you signed replaced a 5 defense rating player that hit .235 with a .300 SLG and OBP, then at worst it's a wash and my money would be on the .350 guy helping you. I've done the exact same thing in online leagues and yes my ERA went up a bit, but the increase in offense offset it. You're mileage may vary.

not a wash. If you have a pitcher lets his D make plays for him. more then half of the balls hit on the ground go up the middle if you guy has LESS (3 is ave) then 3 rating then he will let the routine balls go. Learn ball I have put more then 500+ seasons into ootp6 I know what the ratings do & how they work.

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclone792

1) "If putting balls in play is the best approach for hitters in Denver, then it makes sense for the Rockies to favor pitchers who strike out a bunch of guys. This is difficult: the effect of Coors Field on breaking pitches makes it hard for pitchers to get the batter to swing and miss, much less do so three times. Coors is not a good strikeout park, reducing them by 15% a year" -- STATS, Inc.

2) The thinner air means that there's less resistance on pitches, which prevents pitchers from throwing breaking balls that depend on air resistance to break. Breaking balls don't break properly at Coors Field meaning that breaking ball pitchers get shelled when they leave pitches up in the strike zone.

response to #1-if you have the best IF in baseball & pitchers who live on getting the ground ball putting the ball into play is best

response to #2-Not all breaking balls work that way in coors. Sliders are very effective ask Roger Bailey, Curtis Leskanic how those pitches work in coors. As I said above CONTROL is what makes a pitcher right in coors. Fastball pitchers tend to live up in the strike zone which is why they give up more HR's. & before you respond to this pitch in CO. I pitched & was going to be drafted before I tore my cuff. I threw a slider WELL (so well i gave up 0 ER in my JR year) EXPERIENCE before you talk.

IatricSB · 01-04-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

Learn ball I have put more then 500+ seasons into ootp6 I know what the ratings do & how they work.

So you're still a newbie then. Now I understand. Come back when you have more experience.

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 05:00 PM

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So you're still a newbie then. Now I understand. Come back when you have more experience.

funny how people keep talking about things that don't know about. I see you read things but not understand what you are reading. I personally thing that you need to take HS English over again, get some glasses or in general Read what you are reading again. I said 'Stars mean nothing'

Joshv02 · 01-04-2005, 05:01 PM

Can people get hubris for the holidays?

Joshv02 · 01-04-2005, 05:02 PM

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I personally thing that you need to take HS English over again, get some glasses or in general Read what you are reading again.

Ping: Dagrims.

There is too much irony in here to start. But, if I do, I fear Eck writing "pot.kettle..."

Cyclone792 · 01-04-2005, 05:14 PM

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Ping: Dagrims.

There is too much irony in here to start. But, if I do, I fear Eck writing "pot.kettle..."

Ah what the hell, I'll throw a "black" in there...

Joshv02 · 01-04-2005, 05:18 PM

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Todd Walker in the minors did just what was needed to stay in the minors & ended up hitting very well with the Rockies.

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

funny how people keep talking about things that don't know about.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/profiles/WA/tbc309.asp

Seriously, 1rh1, show a little class and respect others' posts.

IatricSB · 01-04-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

funny how people keep talking about things that don't know about. I see you read things but not understand what you are reading. I personally thing that you need to take HS English over again, get some glasses or in general Read what you are reading again. I said 'Stars mean nothing'

What did I misread?

As for "stars mean nothing", I disagree based on my experience. They're not the end all and you have to read between the lines (I never trust star ratings for MRs), but they provide a good "quick look".

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

What did I misread?

As for "stars mean nothing", I disagree based on my experience. They're not the end all and you have to read between the lines (I never trust star ratings for MRs), but they provide a good "quick look".

I agree a quick look but having a team full of 5 star players doesn't mean you are going to win. That is what I am trying to get across. I personally dont use star rating but to classify a draftee. But once that point is done I use stats. I also agree that minors stats don't mean a whole lot. But I do pay attention to them. If I have two similar players both RHP & have sim ratings I use stats in the minors to choose who is comming up. & I also apologize for being a Jack @$$ above

IatricSB · 01-04-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/profiles/WA/tbc309.asp

Nice website. I have been using baseball-reference for most all my info, but I like that the one you mentioned shows minor league stats as well. I'm guessing only for current players, I haven't been able to spend more than a minute at the site so far. It would be nice to find a site that had minor league stats for retired players also.

IatricSB · 01-04-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 1raiderhater1

I agree a quick look but having a team full of 5 star players doesn't mean you are going to win. That is what I am trying to get across. I personally dont use star rating but to classify a draftee. But once that point is done I use stats. I also agree that minors stats don't mean a whole lot. But I do pay attention to them. If I have two similar players both RHP & have sim ratings I use stats in the minors to choose who is comming up. & I also apologize for being a Jack @$$ above

Joshv02 · 01-04-2005, 05:32 PM

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& I also apologize

That is very big of you, which is a skill that many lack on anonymous boards.

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 05:44 PM

I told myself 'didn't yo mama tell you to be nice' lol

i am enjoying the dancing bananna

Joshv02 · 01-04-2005, 05:57 PM

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i am enjoying the dancing bananna

You have to ask people if it dances.

I've never gotten that joke, but someone here does.

Comedian2004 · 01-04-2005, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

Was this a computer controlled team. I'm amazed that someone with an 80 contact rating (1934) spent the whole year in the majors. Admittedly I don't play fictional leagues, but in a historical league, I probably would have called the guy up in 1933, definitely in 1934 regardless of his minor league numbers.

Yes, it is an entirely computer controlled replay. Well, I do the clicking though.

We have a group of about 6-9 people that pick an A player and I change their name and they follow the player's career. Everyone else was up in the pros within a few years, but this guy just stayed there.

Interesting side note was my player was called up the first year and put in the rotation and signed for a 18 million contract right away. He eventually turned into a great pitcher, 2 no-hitters, 1 Cy, #3 lifetime in K's and 200+ wins, but, much to my dismay, he did not make the HOF!!

SoxWin · 01-04-2005, 06:37 PM

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But I don't think Todd Walker ever hit .250 in the minors...could be wrong, but I don't think he ever hit that poorly.

Dude never hit below .290 in the minors and has actually hit well pretty much everywhere he played. Oh yeah, and as an 8th overall pick, it's not like he was "just another utility infielder"

http://www.sports-wired.com/profiles/WA/tbc309.asp

Edit. Beaten by Joshv2.0, time to start reading entire threads before responding.

1raiderhater1 · 01-04-2005, 06:54 PM

The best thing that I like about this game is that I have had 10 rounders that were the last pick in the overall draft end up being HOF & #1 picks that do a Ryan Leaf. In future versions of this game I would like players to retire like they do in the majors. Sure you have a Rickey Henderson who plays until he can collect Social Security but you also have players who retire when they are 27 & in the heart of their career because they don't have fun anymore. IE Ricky Williams. Sure these are football players but the concept is still the same. I also have posted some unusual stats wiht 300rbi & 90hrs. I woud like to suspend this guy on the basis that I think he is taking steroids

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1raiderhater1 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 71	The best thing that I like about this game is that I have had 10 rounders that were the last pick in the overall draft end up being HOF & #1 picks that do a Ryan Leaf. In future versions of this game I would like players to retire like they do in the majors. Sure you have a Rickey Henderson who plays until he can collect Social Security but you also have players who retire when they are 27 & in the heart of their career because they don't have fun anymore. IE Ricky Williams. Sure these are football players but the concept is still the same. I also have posted some unusual stats wiht 300rbi & 90hrs. I woud like to suspend this guy on the basis that I think he is taking steroids