Sacrifice Fly Bug

Eckstein 4 Prez · 09-18-2004, 11:19 AM

Man on third. Fly out to left. Runner heads home, throwing error on the outfielder, runner safe.

Currently the game scores this as follows: an out for the batter, an error on the outfielder, and an RBI for the outfielder.

Here's the problem: if the guy scored on an error, the batter should not get the RBI. If he scored on a sac fly, the batter should not get the out, and the outfielder should not get the error.

Reality check: in the real world, when a guy flies out and the outfielder throws home wildly, and there are no other runners on base to advance, no error is awarded and the play is scored as a sac fly. This is true even if the throw goes into one of the dugouts. Think about it: if there's only one runner on, and the fly is simply medium-depth, most runners on third will score. Often the throw is not even made. If the outfielder tries to take a remote chance to throw a strike to the plate, he shouldn't be penalized because his throw is off-line. And he isn't.

This is a bug. The proper way to score this is as a sac fly - no at-bat, no error and an RBI.

mlyons · 09-18-2004, 02:31 PM

It's actually worse than you say. Often, the game doesn't even give the batter credit for an RBI in this situation. This is one of the few bugs that really, really irritate me in the game, because it screws up a player's statistics.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 09-18-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

It's actually worse than you say. Often, the game doesn't even give the batter credit for an RBI in this situation. This is one of the few bugs that really, really irritate me in the game, because it screws up a player's statistics.

Have you noticed the new one in OOTP6 where sometimes those throwing errors on grounders aren't credited as an at-bat, hit or out? That one really gets me as well. Maybe I've got a little accountant in me, because I hate when things cause the box scores to not balance.

mlyons · 09-18-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Have you noticed the new one in OOTP6 where sometimes those throwing errors on grounders aren't credited as an at-bat, hit or out? That one really gets me as well. Maybe I've got a little accountant in me, because I hate when things cause the box scores to not balance.

Yes, I have. Another one that irritates the crap out of me. All those bookkeeping ones are infuriating.

jmm8356 · 09-18-2004, 06:26 PM

I suppose the game log glitches would fall under this category too...

1) Balks not recorded, though base advancements due to balk are recorded
2) Pinch runners not recorded

And there's that one when it says the guy was "thrown out at second trying to stretch a double into a triple"... but I forget exactly how that one goes, right now.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-07-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Have you noticed the new one in OOTP6 where sometimes those throwing errors on grounders aren't credited as an at-bat, hit or out? That one really gets me as well. Maybe I've got a little accountant in me, because I hate when things cause the box scores to not balance.

I can now confirm that this error (the one quoted above) has not been fixed in version 6.11. Can someone confirm for me that this has been reported to Markus and/or is being worked on?

sporr · 11-07-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

I can now confirm that this error (the one quoted above) has not been fixed in version 6.11. Can someone confirm for me that this has been reported to Markus and/or is being worked on?

I will post this in the beta forum.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-09-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

I will post this in the beta forum.

Thanks, sporr! Keep up the great work!

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-13-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Man on third. Fly out to left. Runner heads home, throwing error on the outfielder, runner safe.

Currently the game scores this as follows: an out for the batter, an error on the outfielder, and an RBI for the outfielder.

Here's the problem: if the guy scored on an error, the batter should not get the RBI. If he scored on a sac fly, the batter should not get the out, and the outfielder should not get the error.

Reality check: in the real world, when a guy flies out and the outfielder throws home wildly, and there are no other runners on base to advance, no error is awarded and the play is scored as a sac fly. This is true even if the throw goes into one of the dugouts. Think about it: if there's only one runner on, and the fly is simply medium-depth, most runners on third will score. Often the throw is not even made. If the outfielder tries to take a remote chance to throw a strike to the plate, he shouldn't be penalized because his throw is off-line. And he isn't.

This is a bug. The proper way to score this is as a sac fly - no at-bat, no error and an RBI.

I can now confirm that this reported bug was not fixed in version 6.11. Can I please get an official confirmation that Markus will be notified of this?

Also, has there been any response on the throwing error bug also mentioned in this thread?

sporr · 11-13-2004, 08:27 PM

I linked to this whole thread Mr. Prez.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 11-14-2004, 02:41 AM

Thanks again sporr!

Eckstein 4 Prez · 12-11-2004, 02:38 PM

Since there has still been no word on this, I will now resort to the tactic that proved successful with the intentional walk bug. I will be starting a new thread the first time I see each of the two bugs listed here. Every single time I see it after that I will be bringing it up again. I find it ridiculous that bugs such as this cannot be stamped out once and for all.

Anachronism · 12-11-2004, 02:51 PM

And let's not forget the DH not being able to field...

My left fielder gets thrown out arguing balls and strikes... the problem is that my defensive replacement for left is also my DH. Without the ability to move my DH to LF, I have to play a scrub in the field.... in a close game you can't do that...

Now, 6.11 is smart enough to tell me that the pitcher would have to hit, how much harder can it be to switch the DH to LF, and then scan the lineup for the old fielder (or just look for the hole) and insert the pitcher into the lineup at that point?

I may need to actually trade for a defensive fielder for no other reason than I can't actually make a legal lineup change (because I'm not going to sit my power hitting DH on the bench just in case an outfielder gets tossed again for arguing balls and strikes...)

09-18-2004, 11:19 AM	#1
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Sacrifice Fly Bug Man on third. Fly out to left. Runner heads home, throwing error on the outfielder, runner safe. Currently the game scores this as follows: an out for the batter, an error on the outfielder, and an RBI for the outfielder. Here's the problem: if the guy scored on an error, the batter should not get the RBI. If he scored on a sac fly, the batter should not get the out, and the outfielder should not get the error. Reality check: in the real world, when a guy flies out and the outfielder throws home wildly, and there are no other runners on base to advance, no error is awarded and the play is scored as a sac fly. This is true even if the throw goes into one of the dugouts. Think about it: if there's only one runner on, and the fly is simply medium-depth, most runners on third will score. Often the throw is not even made. If the outfielder tries to take a remote chance to throw a strike to the plate, he shouldn't be penalized because his throw is off-line. And he isn't. This is a bug. The proper way to score this is as a sac fly - no at-bat, no error and an RBI. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

09-18-2004, 02:31 PM	#2
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	It's actually worse than you say. Often, the game doesn't even give the batter credit for an RBI in this situation. This is one of the few bugs that really, really irritate me in the game, because it screws up a player's statistics. __________________ Things can always be worse.

09-18-2004, 06:26 PM	#5
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	I suppose the game log glitches would fall under this category too... 1) Balks not recorded, though base advancements due to balk are recorded 2) Pinch runners not recorded And there's that one when it says the guy was "thrown out at second trying to stretch a double into a triple"... but I forget exactly how that one goes, right now. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

11-14-2004, 02:41 AM	#11
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Thanks again sporr! __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

12-11-2004, 02:38 PM	#12
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Since there has still been no word on this, I will now resort to the tactic that proved successful with the intentional walk bug. I will be starting a new thread the first time I see each of the two bugs listed here. Every single time I see it after that I will be bringing it up again. I find it ridiculous that bugs such as this cannot be stamped out once and for all. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

11-13-2004, 08:27 PM	#10
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I linked to this whole thread Mr. Prez.

12-11-2004, 02:51 PM	#13
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	And let's not forget the DH not being able to field... My left fielder gets thrown out arguing balls and strikes... the problem is that my defensive replacement for left is also my DH. Without the ability to move my DH to LF, I have to play a scrub in the field.... in a close game you can't do that... Now, 6.11 is smart enough to tell me that the pitcher would have to hit, how much harder can it be to switch the DH to LF, and then scan the lineup for the old fielder (or just look for the hole) and insert the pitcher into the lineup at that point? I may need to actually trade for a defensive fielder for no other reason than I can't actually make a legal lineup change (because I'm not going to sit my power hitting DH on the bench just in case an outfielder gets tossed again for arguing balls and strikes...) __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..."