Rain Delay with actual effect on game!!

Filthy Slider · 11-15-2004, 01:46 PM

Perhaps this has already been written about...and/or perhaps many of you have already experienced the effect of a rain delay on a game...
I had been under the impression previously that there were no consequences of rain delays in the ootp game engine (maybe that was just ootp 5)
Anyway, I just had a rain delay in the top of the 4th inning while playing at Wrigley Field.
After the rain delay, in the bottom of the 4th, my starting pitcher became fatigued after throwing only 58 pitches on the day (his endurance is 8/10 and hadn't pitched in 4 days...usually not tired until at least around 100 pitches...so, he must have had his arm stiffen up on him due to the rain delay)
Then, in the top of the 5th, the Chicago starter hit the 58 pitch mark and also became "tired" (his endurance is 8/10 too)

Gastric ReFlux · 11-15-2004, 01:48 PM

I thought that was pretty well known. Yeah, it always seems to happen to my 5 endurance starters on the 2-8 scale too.

Filthy Slider · 11-15-2004, 01:50 PM

Maybe its because I play my team's home games out on the west coast of California where rain is rare...lol

Sorry to take up space with a post if it was already well known...I hadn't heard of it or experienced it before.

abailey3313 · 11-15-2004, 01:54 PM

Happened to me last night. My ace starter came out of the game after the 4th inning thanks to a 69 minute rain delay. I think he had 6 K's and was throwing a one-hitter at that point too.

ctorg · 11-15-2004, 02:25 PM

Markus also recently revealed that the temperature has an effect on endurance, which really surprised me. Now I pay more attention to getting the ballpark effects I once thought to be cosmetic right.

Gastric ReFlux · 11-15-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Markus also recently revealed that the temperature has an effect on endurance, which really surprised me. Now I pay more attention to getting the ballpark effects I once thought to be cosmetic right.

Whatever you do, I advise that you don't toggle on the "Play on a field of broken glass" option. I made the mistake of thinking it was just cosmetic.

ctorg · 11-15-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gastric ReFlux

Whatever you do, I advise that you don't toggle on the "Play on a field of broken glass" option. I made the mistake of thinking it was just cosmetic.

Does it help with death league play?

Gastric ReFlux · 11-15-2004, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Does it help with death league play?

You think it would, but no.

The Interloper · 11-15-2004, 03:06 PM

How does temperature effect endurance exactly?

ctorg · 11-15-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Interloper

How does temperature effect endurance exactly?

I assume heat makes guys tire earlier. I'm not sure what else there might be to it.

smeyers003 · 11-15-2004, 04:35 PM

I'm not positive if its an effect or just a pbp thing but there may be more errors in rain games with players "slipping on the wet grass"

Filthy Slider · 11-15-2004, 05:34 PM

Temperature affecting pitcher endurance?

I had been wondering if it might. Way to go Markus!

endgame · 11-15-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smeyers003

I'm not positive if its an effect or just a pbp thing but there may be more errors in rain games with players "slipping on the wet grass"

I've seen that one more times than I would have liked. Yep, it has its effect.

Knox · 11-15-2004, 08:03 PM

Temperature affects pitcher endurance?

disposableheros · 11-16-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Knox

Temperature affects pitcher endurance?

yep, although, how much is only known to Markus

fhomess · 11-16-2004, 05:42 PM

Is there any real data to back up the idea that temperature affects pitcher endurance in real MLB?

disposableheros · 11-16-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fhomess

Is there any real data to back up the idea that temperature affects pitcher endurance in real MLB?

ive never seen any "real data", but using my life experience and common sense, i would say it does

Filthy Slider · 11-16-2004, 06:41 PM

There is probably a way to test it out...for example, looking at a very large number of pitchers and comparing

IP at home vs. IP on the road
and then, looking for a correlation with the mean temperature of the home park.
Texas would be the easiest candidate to study...if one were to demonstrate that Texas pitchers (over a large sample) were able to pitch more innings in cooler stadium environments (i.e. most other stadiums) then it would give some statistical backing to the idea that hot weather causes pitchers to not have the same level of endurance as in cool weather.

Or, there's an easier way: keep track of how long you can jog on a nice cool day vs. trying to jog in 100 degree (F) heat....of course, that's not the statistical version, but I think it would give one a pretty good idea of how heat affects endurance.

And, my guess is that Markus' system of taking into account temperature probably isn't very nit-picky about a difference between, lets say 65 degrees and 75 degrees....it probably just rates something like 90 degrees as hot and something like 55 degrees as cool....that sort of thing...at least, that is, that's how I've seen in treated in other baseball sims through the years.

Dagrims · 11-16-2004, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Interloper

How does temperature effect endurance exactly?

cold = shrinkage. I'm sure you can imagine what that does to endurance.

disposableheros · 11-16-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Filthy Slider

Texas would be the easiest candidate to study...

Phoenix gets pretty hot too

11-15-2004, 01:46 PM	#1
Filthy Slider Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 467	Rain Delay with actual effect on game!! Perhaps this has already been written about...and/or perhaps many of you have already experienced the effect of a rain delay on a game... I had been under the impression previously that there were no consequences of rain delays in the ootp game engine (maybe that was just ootp 5) Anyway, I just had a rain delay in the top of the 4th inning while playing at Wrigley Field. After the rain delay, in the bottom of the 4th, my starting pitcher became fatigued after throwing only 58 pitches on the day (his endurance is 8/10 and hadn't pitched in 4 days...usually not tired until at least around 100 pitches...so, he must have had his arm stiffen up on him due to the rain delay) Then, in the top of the 5th, the Chicago starter hit the 58 pitch mark and also became "tired" (his endurance is 8/10 too) __________________ a.k.a.: Obscene Change-up, Wicked Heater, Nasty Knuckler What is the sound of one light bulb turning itself? Crash Test Yankees!

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Filthy Slider Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 467	Maybe its because I play my team's home games out on the west coast of California where rain is rare...lol Sorry to take up space with a post if it was already well known...I hadn't heard of it or experienced it before. __________________ a.k.a.: Obscene Change-up, Wicked Heater, Nasty Knuckler What is the sound of one light bulb turning itself? Crash Test Yankees!

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Filthy Slider Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 467	Temperature affecting pitcher endurance? I had been wondering if it might. Way to go Markus! __________________ a.k.a.: Obscene Change-up, Wicked Heater, Nasty Knuckler What is the sound of one light bulb turning itself? Crash Test Yankees!

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I thought that was pretty well known. Yeah, it always seems to happen to my 5 endurance starters on the 2-8 scale too.

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11-16-2004, 06:41 PM	#18
Filthy Slider Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 467	There is probably a way to test it out...for example, looking at a very large number of pitchers and comparing IP at home vs. IP on the road and then, looking for a correlation with the mean temperature of the home park. Texas would be the easiest candidate to study...if one were to demonstrate that Texas pitchers (over a large sample) were able to pitch more innings in cooler stadium environments (i.e. most other stadiums) then it would give some statistical backing to the idea that hot weather causes pitchers to not have the same level of endurance as in cool weather. Or, there's an easier way: keep track of how long you can jog on a nice cool day vs. trying to jog in 100 degree (F) heat....of course, that's not the statistical version, but I think it would give one a pretty good idea of how heat affects endurance. And, my guess is that Markus' system of taking into account temperature probably isn't very nit-picky about a difference between, lets say 65 degrees and 75 degrees....it probably just rates something like 90 degrees as hot and something like 55 degrees as cool....that sort of thing...at least, that is, that's how I've seen in treated in other baseball sims through the years. __________________ a.k.a.: Obscene Change-up, Wicked Heater, Nasty Knuckler What is the sound of one light bulb turning itself? Crash Test Yankees!