AL and NL Managers of the year. - Page 2

DaveDingman · 11-14-2004, 11:41 AM

Showalter was a GREAT choice! I was so jazzed when he won. It's like I keep telling my boys "A good pitcher next year will put us over the edge!". Remember, you heard it here first.

benchwarmer · 11-14-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveDingman

Showalter was a GREAT choice! I was so jazzed when he won. It's like I keep telling my boys "A good pitcher next year will put us over the edge!". Remember, you heard it here first.

A Good pitcher will indeed made Texas alot better, a good pitcher will make any team better i suppose. Which pitchers do you realistically think could be signed? Lowe? Perez? Maybe Texas should make a HUGE offer to pedro...

DaveDingman · 11-14-2004, 12:43 PM

I'd love to see Pedro signed. Lowe could help too, but I like Pavano better. I think trading Soriano would free up a lot of money to go after one of those three. And perhaps a couple other guys too.

lincarnate · 11-14-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveDingman

Showalter was a GREAT choice! I was so jazzed when he won. It's like I keep telling my boys "A good pitcher next year will put us over the edge!". Remember, you heard it here first.

Heard it here first? Perhaps you don't live in Dallas, because that's been the motto here since the late 90s...

markwookungfu · 11-14-2004, 02:14 PM

I mean I'm still glad we chose Dusty but Buck is a great manager, Texas will win the AL next year guaranteed

andymac · 11-14-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by knuckler

The fact that LaRussa finds players like Matheny...useful

I would think most managers would find the best defensive catcher in the game pretty useful.

mlyons · 11-14-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

I would think most managers would find the best defensive catcher in the game pretty useful.

Right, but nobody's suggesting that Alan Trammell get rid of Ivan Rodriguez. I'm not sure what a discussion of the best defensive catcher in baseball has to do with Tony LaRussa, though.

Skipaway · 11-14-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveDingman

I'd love to see Pedro signed. Lowe could help too, but I like Pavano better. I think trading Soriano would free up a lot of money to go after one of those three. And perhaps a couple other guys too.

Rangers' batting is 4th in AL in one of the best hitter's park, while their pitching is 5th in AL.

After adjusting for park, hitting is the part that needed help. Trading away a younger and more reliable Soriano for pitchers is a bad idea.

Skipaway · 11-14-2004, 06:46 PM

Texas in 2004
team OPS+: 97
team ERA+: 111

andymac · 11-14-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Right, but nobody's suggesting that Alan Trammell get rid of Ivan Rodriguez. I'm not sure what a discussion of the best defensive catcher in baseball has to do with Tony LaRussa, though.

If we are going by defensive ability (blocking balls + fielding), pitch calling, and handling pitchers, I'll take Matheny.

mlyons · 11-14-2004, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

If we are going by defensive ability (blocking balls + fielding), pitch calling, and handling pitchers, I'll take Matheny.

You can have him.

markwookungfu · 11-14-2004, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

If we are going by defensive ability (blocking balls + fielding), pitch calling, and handling pitchers, I'll take Matheny.

Matheny sucks, all Cardinals are evil

Boom Boom · 11-15-2004, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

The Rangers traded the (arguably) best player in the game and managed to improve and actually contend for the wild card down to the wire.

EDIT: They had more of a shot at the division than wild card, actually. BoSox had it locked up early.

Seattle let go of the same player and the next year went on to Win 116 games....says a lot about A-rod.

Skipaway · 11-15-2004, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Seattle let go of the same player and the next year went on to Win 116 games....says a lot about A-rod.

It's probably not Rodriguez. He had an off year with the Yankees, but the Yankees still managed to win the same number of games.

It's more likely the power of Ichiro!!!

sebastian0622 · 11-15-2004, 04:45 AM

Both great choices for managers of the year.

For those who knock Cox on the "but the Braves lost in the first round of the playoffs": That doesn't fly this year. If they hadn't made the playoffs at all but finished second in their division and two games out of the wildcard race, Cox would still have been a candidate. This is a team that was supposed to be around .500 according to some of the more generous preseason projections.

markwookungfu · 11-15-2004, 04:54 AM

Okay listen Dusty did not make the playoffs but seriously Prior was injured all year what do you expect? Hes still the best manager in the game.

Skipaway · 11-15-2004, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Both great choices for managers of the year.

For those who knock Cox on the "but the Braves lost in the first round of the playoffs": That doesn't fly this year. If they hadn't made the playoffs at all but finished second in their division and two games out of the wildcard race, Cox would still have been a candidate. This is a team that was supposed to be around .500 according to some of the more generous preseason projections.

Aren't the ballots casted before playoffs anyway?

markwookungfu · 11-15-2004, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Aren't the ballots casted before playoffs anyway?

Nope

benchwarmer · 11-15-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by markwookungfu

Nope

Actually, your wrong. Not that its a surprise. The ballots have to be in before the playoffs starts. The folks on FSN talked about it, and since a ballot member who votes on the award is on the show from time to time, and said himself they have to be in before, i'd go with him....

bah

Skipaway · 11-15-2004, 04:41 PM

Yeah, ballots of all awards are casted at the end of the regular season before playoffs.

11-14-2004, 11:41 AM	#21
DaveDingman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	Showalter was a GREAT choice! I was so jazzed when he won. It's like I keep telling my boys "A good pitcher next year will put us over the edge!". Remember, you heard it here first. __________________ Texans rule and so do their sports!

11-14-2004, 12:43 PM	#23
DaveDingman Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 26	I'd love to see Pedro signed. Lowe could help too, but I like Pavano better. I think trading Soriano would free up a lot of money to go after one of those three. And perhaps a couple other guys too. __________________ Texans rule and so do their sports!

11-14-2004, 06:46 PM	#29
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Texas in 2004 team OPS+: 97 team ERA+: 111 __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-15-2004, 04:41 PM	#40
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Yeah, ballots of all awards are casted at the end of the regular season before playoffs. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-14-2004, 02:14 PM	#25
markwookungfu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 70	I mean I'm still glad we chose Dusty but Buck is a great manager, Texas will win the AL next year guaranteed

11-15-2004, 04:45 AM	#35
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Both great choices for managers of the year. For those who knock Cox on the "but the Braves lost in the first round of the playoffs": That doesn't fly this year. If they hadn't made the playoffs at all but finished second in their division and two games out of the wildcard race, Cox would still have been a candidate. This is a team that was supposed to be around .500 according to some of the more generous preseason projections.

11-15-2004, 04:54 AM	#36
markwookungfu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 70	Okay listen Dusty did not make the playoffs but seriously Prior was injured all year what do you expect? Hes still the best manager in the game.