Babe Ruth sucks, any ideas?

[JRRNeiklot]

I've ran a historical league from 1901 to 1925 twice and Babe Ruth is still a career minor leaguer with a one star rating. I developed him into a right fielder in the minors, but he can't hit for squat. Joe Jackson also sucks. This happenned both times. There were probably some other discrepencies, but these are the ones that stick out. I realize Babe won't always hit 700 homeruns, but he should at least be able to make the roster. I've considered changing to Ankit's database, would this help or would it make the minor leagues useless?

Thanks.

[Cowboys3356]

Let me guess, you are using the Lahman Database? The Lahman Database SUCKS! You should change to Ankit's Database ASAP and you will find the results you are looking for.

If you want an example of what the Ankit Database can do then download my 1987 League File located in my sig line. Good luck!

[jbmagic]

cowboy

awesome league file

do you recommend to keep all the league setting in league option as is?

[JRRNeiklot]

Thanks for the reply.

I would also be interested in advice on league settings.

On a side note, With OOTP5, I had no problems whatsoever with Lahman's db, with the possible exception of Willie Mcovey hitting 1100 homeruns. :-)

[jaxmagicman]

OOTP only knows numbers not names.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

OOTP only knows numbers not names.

Except for the name Gload.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

OOTP only knows numbers not names.

True but then again the ratings come from the numbers in the stats that Babe Ruth put up in his real career so in a sense the game does know Babe Ruth.

Though probably not as much as historical simmers would like.

But your right in that the computer isnt going to have babe ruth batting clean up cause its Babe Ruth but rather it will go by the numbers.

Wouldnt be nice that after a player becomes like a real life superstar or bust the computer would keep the player in the lineup longer or out because it knows that it is Babe Ruth?

[LVance]

Trade him.

[Cowboys3356]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

cowboy

awesome league file

do you recommend to keep all the league setting in league option as is?

The League Totals should work decently well although I constantly fine tune them every season. You will want to change the AI Player Evaluation settings to 40-35-17-8 since that was fixed in the latest patch. Otherwise the rest if up to you!!

Here are the league totals I am using (currently in 1989 season) so they may or may not work well for you:

ABs: 141,893
Hits: 39,546
2bs: 7,439
3bs: 771
HRs: 5,858
BB: 15,078
HBP: 1,600
Ks: 26,677
Avg: .290

Have fun!

[SoxWin]

Cowboys.

Stupid question I guess. I changed the league file to have a June 1st draft and the game created rookies. Do I have to delete them all and import from Ankits?

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

True but then again the ratings come from the numbers in the stats that Babe Ruth put up in his real career so in a sense the game does know Babe Ruth.

Though probably not as much as historical simmers would like.

But your right in that the computer isnt going to have babe ruth batting clean up cause its Babe Ruth but rather it will go by the numbers.

Wouldnt be nice that after a player becomes like a real life superstar or bust the computer would keep the player in the lineup longer or out because it knows that it is Babe Ruth?

True, but in this case he brought him in as a rookie, so he only had potential. He didn't reach his potential. There is no way right now to see if a player will reach his or her potential yet. It would be nice, but that would take all the guess work out of it.

[Filthy Slider]

Originally Posted by JRRNeiklot

Babe Ruth sucks, any ideas?

can no longer resist writing what I'm about to write...compulsion to write it growing stronger each time I see title of thread:

Originally Posted by JRRNeiklot

Babe Ruth sucks, any ideas?

Of course he does, he's dead.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

True, but in this case he brought him in as a rookie, so he only had potential. He didn't reach his potential. There is no way right now to see if a player will reach his or her potential yet. It would be nice, but that would take all the guess work out of it.

yeah i understand what your saying and thats what i think is one of the problems with historical players. The potential is absed too much on a rookie season and not on whole career. That is fine for fictional but it suucks for historical. Because even though you Babe Ruth may not become Babe Ruth because of injuries or some other reason he should still have the potential. There should be a greater chance of him becoming great but using the Lahman database theres not much chance of great players with poor rookie seasons becoming as great as real life.
I dont think this would interfer with the concept that you dont know if
a player will become great because of the other factors.
I mean a Barry Bonds doesnt lose their talent or potenial just because you didnt choose him but he might if you do not use him properly or he gets injured.
Although i dont think it should be guaranteed but right now it favors rookies seasons too much.
But hey thank God we have the Ankit database and those other great roasters.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Filthy Slider

can no longer resist writing what I'm about to write...compulsion to write it growing stronger each time I see title of thread:


Of course he does, he's dead.

That reminds me of something Ty Cobb said, though I can't remember the quote. He was an old man at the time. Someone asked him what he thought he would hit against modern pitchers and he said .290. The asker of the question was surprised by the humility and asked "That's it?" And Cobb said, "I'm 70 years old!" Replace 70 with however old he was at the time, because I don't know.

[SandMan]

To get the Babe to perform more like the BABE I would recommend the following. DELETE hsi first 5 seasons from the database you are importing from. He will come up a little later but will perform better. Remember the BABE started his career in the deadball era but as a pitcher and became a batter at the start of the hitters era in the 20's. Remove the first 5 years and you will get more accurate results... Just my opinion, haven't tested this out fully....

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by SandMan

To get the Babe to perform more like the BABE I would recommend the following. DELETE hsi first 5 seasons from the database you are importing from. He will come up a little later but will perform better. Remember the BABE started his career in the deadball era but as a pitcher and became a batter at the start of the hitters era in the 20's. Remove the first 5 years and you will get more accurate results... Just my opinion, haven't tested this out fully....

Or edit him around 1919 or 1920 to make him the Babe. That's what I've done. He's really the only player I'll do that with.

He is so unique in history that it's hard for the game to emulate him without a little help.

[UngratefulDead]

Originally Posted by ctorg

That reminds me of something Ty Cobb said, though I can't remember the quote. He was an old man at the time. Someone asked him what he thought he would hit against modern pitchers and he said .290. The asker of the question was surprised by the humility and asked "That's it?" And Cobb said, "I'm 70 years old!" Replace 70 with however old he was at the time, because I don't know.

Yeah, it was something like this

Reporter: "So, seeing how the game has changed, how well do you think you could hit playing today's game?"

Ty: "Oh, about .280-.290

Reporter: "Is that because of the dominance of some of today's hurlers and new pitches like the slider?"

Ty: "Nah, that's because I'm 65 years old."

[Vezna31]

Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

Yeah, it was something like this

Reporter: "So, seeing how the game has changed, how well do you think you could hit playing today's game?"

Ty: "Oh, about .280-.290

Reporter: "Is that because of the dominance of some of today's hurlers and new pitches like the slider?"

Ty: "Nah, that's because I'm 65 years old."

"Cobb" was one of the greatest books I have ever read. He was quite a character, although it's sad in some respect because of the harshness that he carried for everything until he died.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by Vezna31

"Cobb" was one of the greatest books I have ever read. He was quite a character, although it's sad in some respect because of the harshness that he carried for everything until he died.

It's quite strange how much of a curmudgeon he was. I never read the book, but I've read about him and I've seen the movie (which is underrated, IMO). He had venomous hate streaming out of every orifice, it seems, and there's no good reason why. Sure, there's the stuff with his parents, but there's more to it than that, methinks.