Free Agent Lies?

daveyk · 11-02-2004, 02:20 PM

I was pursuing a free agent in last night's off-season.

For two days my offer of $4.5M/3 years was the best one he had. But then someone else offered more money, he said.

I upped my offer to $5.5M/3 years. Not enough money, he said.

I upped my offer to $6M/3 years. Not enough years, he said.

I upped it to $6M/4 years. Not enough years, he said.

At that point, I decided this free agent was not good enough to offer 5 years at that salary to. So I gave up.

Two days later he signed. I checked the signing log.

$4.2M/3 years?

Anyone else have a free agent "lie" to them like this? Can anyone explain why this would happen?

I'm OK with it, in general. I don't mind that kind of "fog of war". That assumes, however, it is deliberately intended by the programmer.

LawDawg · 11-02-2004, 02:25 PM

I wonder if he had an offer revoked on him. That would explain why he was telling you to bid higher and then took a lower offer.

ctorg · 11-02-2004, 02:37 PM

Are you using the latest patch? This was supposed to be a fixed issue, I believe.

daveyk · 11-02-2004, 02:44 PM

6.11 Patch.

And the team he signed for was the team he'd been telling me all along was offering him more money and years.

ctorg · 11-02-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyk

6.11 Patch.

And the team he signed for was the team he'd been telling me all along was offering him more money and years.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be fixed in 6.10 or 6.11.

jbmagic · 11-02-2004, 03:03 PM

hmm i dont see it on the 6.10 or 6.11 patch readme

ctorg · 11-02-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

hmm i dont see it on the 6.10 or 6.11 patch readme

It was something about players signing for obviously lesser contracts.

ctorg · 11-02-2004, 03:29 PM

dola, on 6.10

- Sometimes players signed for an obvious worse offer during FA compared to previous offers, that has been fixed

jmm8356 · 11-02-2004, 03:54 PM

I thought that line in the readme was referring to the bug where some user-created FAs would always sign with the last team to make them an offer, whether it was the best offer or not. Guess it was just an assumption on my part, but FWIW, that's what I thought he meant.

jbmagic · 11-02-2004, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jmm8356

I thought that line in the readme was referring to the bug where some user-created FAs would always sign with the last team to make them an offer, whether it was the best offer or not. Guess it was just an assumption on my part, but FWIW, that's what I thought he meant.

i tought the same thing too

hopefully markus can come in and comment on this situation...

Steve Kuffrey · 11-02-2004, 04:02 PM

I don't know if this is the case but I know that in some situations Markus mentioned that the FULL effect of some of the bug fixes would only take place with leagues newly created with the patched game and would not be fixed in leagues that continue created by earlier versions. Like I said this maybe the case here but I don't know and it may still be an issue but just thought I'd throw it out to you.

PSUColonel · 11-03-2004, 10:37 PM

Can anyone explain this issue for sure? Would one definately need to begin a new career for sure to correct this problem if it is in fact a bug?

TNCubsFan · 11-03-2004, 10:56 PM

Pardon me for my ignorance on this bug but how often is it occouring? I mean we cant have Scott Boras and his ilk running around OOTP can we?

ctorg · 11-04-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TNCubsFan

Pardon me for my ignorance on this bug but how often is it occouring? I mean we cant have Scott Boras and his ilk running around OOTP can we?

It's hard to say because you have to pay careful attention to the signings of players to whom you have offered contracts. In truth, it doesn't bother me much because there are players who will sign for less money to play in a particular place.

The Interloper · 11-04-2004, 12:19 PM

I was under the impression this got fixed, too. I thought that's what Markus meant. I don't like this at all. I know some players sign for less in places, but this happens to me a lot.

11-02-2004, 02:20 PM	#1
daveyk Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	Free Agent Lies? I was pursuing a free agent in last night's off-season. For two days my offer of $4.5M/3 years was the best one he had. But then someone else offered more money, he said. I upped my offer to $5.5M/3 years. Not enough money, he said. I upped my offer to $6M/3 years. Not enough years, he said. I upped it to $6M/4 years. Not enough years, he said. At that point, I decided this free agent was not good enough to offer 5 years at that salary to. So I gave up. Two days later he signed. I checked the signing log. $4.2M/3 years? Anyone else have a free agent "lie" to them like this? Can anyone explain why this would happen? I'm OK with it, in general. I don't mind that kind of "fog of war". That assumes, however, it is deliberately intended by the programmer.

11-02-2004, 02:37 PM	#3
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Are you using the latest patch? This was supposed to be a fixed issue, I believe. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

11-02-2004, 03:29 PM	#8
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	dola, on 6.10 - Sometimes players signed for an obvious worse offer during FA compared to previous offers, that has been fixed __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

11-02-2004, 03:54 PM	#9
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	I thought that line in the readme was referring to the bug where some user-created FAs would always sign with the last team to make them an offer, whether it was the best offer or not. Guess it was just an assumption on my part, but FWIW, that's what I thought he meant. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

11-02-2004, 04:02 PM	#11
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	I don't know if this is the case but I know that in some situations Markus mentioned that the FULL effect of some of the bug fixes would only take place with leagues newly created with the patched game and would not be fixed in leagues that continue created by earlier versions. Like I said this maybe the case here but I don't know and it may still be an issue but just thought I'd throw it out to you. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

11-02-2004, 02:25 PM	#2
LawDawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 49	I wonder if he had an offer revoked on him. That would explain why he was telling you to bid higher and then took a lower offer.

11-02-2004, 02:44 PM	#4
daveyk Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 24	6.11 Patch. And the team he signed for was the team he'd been telling me all along was offering him more money and years.

11-02-2004, 03:03 PM	#6
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	hmm i dont see it on the 6.10 or 6.11 patch readme

11-03-2004, 10:37 PM	#12
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,106	Can anyone explain this issue for sure? Would one definately need to begin a new career for sure to correct this problem if it is in fact a bug?

11-03-2004, 10:56 PM	#13
TNCubsFan Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 300	Pardon me for my ignorance on this bug but how often is it occouring? I mean we cant have Scott Boras and his ilk running around OOTP can we? __________________ "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out" George Brett HOF

11-04-2004, 12:19 PM	#15
The Interloper Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The dark recesses of the human mind Posts: 147	I was under the impression this got fixed, too. I thought that's what Markus meant. I don't like this at all. I know some players sign for less in places, but this happens to me a lot.