Drafted Rookie to Good For Minors?

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 01:03 PM

I am in my first solo fictional league. In my first season I won the league and made it to the playoffs before losing 4-1 in the first round. My second year was a tough one as my #1 starting pitcher and my #1 HR hitter both went down with injuries and my hitter went down for the rest of the year in early August. The rest of the team did not play as well as the year before. Of course, I had the #1 pick in the draft. I need a 3B that could hit as the player I talked about getting hurt is 37 this year with 2 more years on his contract. The 3B that I picked has a contact of 100 with power as 66 and eye as 57. Is this player too good to put in A ball? Should he start at "AA" ball? Or should he go directly to "AAA" ball and when my 37 year old 3B get's hurt again, he is there to take over? Or should I start him at "A" and move him along quickly? I chose to start him in "A" ball to see how he would do. So far, he is hitting 44 for 88, he is hitting .500 ball. I will be moving him really soon. I then plan to play him at "AA" for a few games to see how he does and if he keeps up his present pace, he will move on to "AAA" and see how he handles that. Am I handling this the right way? Just want to see what the board here thinks. I would love to hear if YOU think I have handled this right or wrong. Thank you.

I Am The Game · 10-25-2004, 01:41 PM

His contact rating is 100? Or his contact talent is 100?

Twelvefield · 10-25-2004, 01:53 PM

Being conservative, I find it takes at least 3 months of solid playing time to guage what a player can do at each league, even in the minors. So 3 months, evaluate, move, 3 months, evaluate, move again. On the other hand, if you feel like gambling, you can move your big prospect up from draft to Major Leagues, and nobody will second-guess your move. If you screw up, all you've done is ruin the career of a little Tron-player in your computer memory, and there's plenty more where he came from.

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 02:08 PM

Contact Rating is 100 (scale of 0-100) his talent is 8 (scale 2-8).

I like the 3 month wait. I have some time before I will need him at the major league level. Of course, as I write this my Major League 3B is among the leaders in average, HR and RBI's is now hurt for 4 weeks. Right now I am playing with my backup at 3B. He's not hitting well. 3B at triple A is not good enough either. "AA" 3B is ok (2 star prospect) but my Stud in "A" ball looks as if he could move. I think I want to continue with leaving him in the minors for now. In June I will move him to "AA" ball. In my limited amount of playing OOTP I was just wondering what everyone thought. My draft pick has a contact rating of 100 (scale of 0-100). I thought he might be too good for the minors and was wondering if I should move him to the majors. I think I will leave him for 3 months and then see where he might need to be moved. Thanks for the imput so far.

kingcharlesxii · 10-25-2004, 02:09 PM

If his contact RATING is 100, he should be in the majors and you should be writing speeches for his future batting titles. If his contact TALENT is 100, I can't say without knowing his ratings. After hitting .500 in A though, he is ready for at least AA.

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 02:44 PM

His player RATING is 100 (contact) his player TALENT is 8 (contact).

I have my ratings set at the 0-100 scale and the talent scale is
set at the 2-8.

Recte44 · 10-25-2004, 02:46 PM

Bring him to the majors, yesterday.

kingcharlesxii · 10-25-2004, 02:47 PM

With a contact rating of 100, he should be able to hit .300-.350 in the majors right now. If the scouting text in the lower right says "He is ready to test his mettle" or "He could be a star right now" then the AI agrees.

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 02:49 PM

I have thought that with a Contact rating of 100 he should be in the majors, but I also thought of moving him too early I would hurt his chances of being a Hall-of-Famer. He is 21 years of age. I am thinking that if he progresses like I think he will I can have him at the "AAA" level by the seasons end. Then next year he can start at the "AAA" level and move to the majors for the rest of his career. Should be around age 23 when he is moved to the majors. By the time I move him to the majors the current contract of my Major league 3B will be over and he will be 39 years old. Sounds like a plan if I can keep it and not get excited about how good my minor leaguer is doing.

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 02:54 PM

Damn, I have not even thought of checking to see what his scouting report is. Since I just drafted him, I had not thought of looking at that. Thank you for the help. I was wondering if I might hurt his career if I moved him to fast or if I moved him from draft to the major leagues. I will check that when I get home this afternoon.

kingcharlesxii · 10-25-2004, 02:56 PM

I would think the extra season and a half would make him MORE likely to be a HOFer.

Personal experience. I had a guy drafted #1 overall who was nowhere near as good as this guy (he was a 3B as well). He spent half a season in the minors. When my 3rd baseman was starting to be ineffective, I brought him up and he put up incredible numbers and led my team to a league championship. His ratings were 5/7/7 on a 1-10 scale. Don't be scared to bring up guys with ratings like that, sitting too long in the minors can hurt them too.

Barry Diamond · 10-25-2004, 03:12 PM

Thanks kingcharlesxii. I had forgot about keeping him in the minors too long can also hurt him. I just thought that moving him from the draft to the majors might hurt him. I might as well see just how good he really is. Let the boy play!!

SandMan · 10-25-2004, 03:35 PM

I had a 19 year old phenom that was 8/8/8 in talent on 2-8. Put him in the majors immediately. He did well for the first 11 years but faded quickly and was done by age 32. Did finish with 392 homers in 14 years and a solid .292 average. I then took a back up of the league and kept him in the minors for 2 years bringing him up at age 21. This made a big difference. His initial years in the majors were not as impressive but he played longer and had better seasons when he was 26-30..... Finished with 603 homers, .314 average in 17 seasons......funny thing he only had about 700 more at bats playing in the second scenario.....

I noticed that his ratings were dropping at age 27 in the first scenario (his 9th year in the league) and this is normally the time when a player gets better. Maybe the game engine is based on years and plate appearances (usage) and not necessarily on age... I had player mods set at 125% for development and 25% for aging....

Astros02 · 10-25-2004, 03:40 PM

1 test of each situation isn't a good sample. Wonder what you'd get if you tried each a few more times.

SandMan · 10-25-2004, 03:59 PM

I realize my "test" wasn't scientific. I was just curious if I did the right thing or not......

I think I did the right thing because I needed the player at the time of the draft, but I probably could have put in a scrub for 2-3 years and could have done just as well.

LawDawg · 10-25-2004, 06:10 PM

I think you are bringing too much reality into OOTP. In OOTP, the whole purpose of the minor leagues is to (1) if he has major-league talent, get his ratings up to where his talents are or (2) if he doesn't have major-league talent, to let him sit there until he gets a talent upgrade or you dismiss him. So if he has the major-league talent and the major-league ratings he is a major-leaguer. The game doesn't know that he hasn't "mentally matured" in the minors or that he is only 19 years old. When he gets to the majors - to see how he performs OOTP looks at his ratings, just like all other OOTP players. So move his butt to the majors where he can be a star. If you keep him in the minors with major-league ratings, not only are you wasting his playing skills, but you are risking having them decrease as he is playing against inferior players.

Although OOTP does sim real-life baseball it only does it based on certain programmed rules. Often as owners we bring all kinds of norms that only really exist in the real world. For instance - he is a young kid, just drafted, so I should probably put him in the minors first to make sure he is ready for the major leagues. Instead OOTP says, what is his contact rating, what is his power rating, what is his eye/discipline rating. If it is at or above major league level, he should be in the majors and will perform accordingly.

jbmagic · 10-25-2004, 06:14 PM

what is consider major league rating for contact, power, gap, eye, etc?

kingcharlesxii · 10-25-2004, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

what is consider major league rating for contact, power, gap, eye, etc?

For me, it would be close to what my current big league starter has if this was a top prospect, otherwise it would be close to my backup's ratings if the guy looks like a future backup.

LawDawg · 10-25-2004, 06:18 PM

That depends on comparable ratings presently in the major leagues in the league in question. If most starting players have 60 in contact rating then major-league ready contact rating is probably somewhat lower than that, maybe 50. Now obviously as you get right around that threshold, different owners like to bring up players early or later depending on the team's situation, the player's situation, etc. However, that isn't really an issue here - if I read the previous posts correctly the player being discussed has a rating of 100. So there is no doubt he has major-league ready ratings.

Kaline · 10-26-2004, 09:40 AM

He had a 100 contact rating out of the draft?

Wow, he could be a consistant .360 plus hitter.

Id leave him in the minors for this year, and start him in the bigs next year. Dump off your old 3B and maybe teach this kid another position (RF/1B). Bring him up too start next season....

Why wait, he'll only get a quarter/1/3 of a seasons at bats, Id just as well give him a full season too start, plus get too win the ROY, and hey, you dont need him this year anyway.

10-25-2004, 02:09 PM	#5
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10-25-2004, 02:46 PM	#7
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10-25-2004, 02:47 PM	#8
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	With a contact rating of 100, he should be able to hit .300-.350 in the majors right now. If the scouting text in the lower right says "He is ready to test his mettle" or "He could be a star right now" then the AI agrees. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

10-25-2004, 02:56 PM	#11
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	I would think the extra season and a half would make him MORE likely to be a HOFer. Personal experience. I had a guy drafted #1 overall who was nowhere near as good as this guy (he was a 3B as well). He spent half a season in the minors. When my 3rd baseman was starting to be ineffective, I brought him up and he put up incredible numbers and led my team to a league championship. His ratings were 5/7/7 on a 1-10 scale. Don't be scared to bring up guys with ratings like that, sitting too long in the minors can hurt them too. __________________ OTBA - Stockholm Royal Squirrels of Sweden OOTP Grand League Champion 2015

10-25-2004, 03:35 PM	#13
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	Keeping the player in the minors.... I had a 19 year old phenom that was 8/8/8 in talent on 2-8. Put him in the majors immediately. He did well for the first 11 years but faded quickly and was done by age 32. Did finish with 392 homers in 14 years and a solid .292 average. I then took a back up of the league and kept him in the minors for 2 years bringing him up at age 21. This made a big difference. His initial years in the majors were not as impressive but he played longer and had better seasons when he was 26-30..... Finished with 603 homers, .314 average in 17 seasons......funny thing he only had about 700 more at bats playing in the second scenario..... I noticed that his ratings were dropping at age 27 in the first scenario (his 9th year in the league) and this is normally the time when a player gets better. Maybe the game engine is based on years and plate appearances (usage) and not necessarily on age... I had player mods set at 125% for development and 25% for aging.... Last edited by SandMan; 10-25-2004 at 03:48 PM. Reason: typo

10-25-2004, 01:03 PM	#1
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	Drafted Rookie to Good For Minors? I am in my first solo fictional league. In my first season I won the league and made it to the playoffs before losing 4-1 in the first round. My second year was a tough one as my #1 starting pitcher and my #1 HR hitter both went down with injuries and my hitter went down for the rest of the year in early August. The rest of the team did not play as well as the year before. Of course, I had the #1 pick in the draft. I need a 3B that could hit as the player I talked about getting hurt is 37 this year with 2 more years on his contract. The 3B that I picked has a contact of 100 with power as 66 and eye as 57. Is this player too good to put in A ball? Should he start at "AA" ball? Or should he go directly to "AAA" ball and when my 37 year old 3B get's hurt again, he is there to take over? Or should I start him at "A" and move him along quickly? I chose to start him in "A" ball to see how he would do. So far, he is hitting 44 for 88, he is hitting .500 ball. I will be moving him really soon. I then plan to play him at "AA" for a few games to see how he does and if he keeps up his present pace, he will move on to "AAA" and see how he handles that. Am I handling this the right way? Just want to see what the board here thinks. I would love to hear if YOU think I have handled this right or wrong. Thank you.

10-25-2004, 01:41 PM	#2
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	His contact rating is 100? Or his contact talent is 100?

10-25-2004, 01:53 PM	#3
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Being conservative, I find it takes at least 3 months of solid playing time to guage what a player can do at each league, even in the minors. So 3 months, evaluate, move, 3 months, evaluate, move again. On the other hand, if you feel like gambling, you can move your big prospect up from draft to Major Leagues, and nobody will second-guess your move. If you screw up, all you've done is ruin the career of a little Tron-player in your computer memory, and there's plenty more where he came from.

10-25-2004, 02:08 PM	#4
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	Contact Rating is 100 (scale of 0-100) his talent is 8 (scale 2-8). I like the 3 month wait. I have some time before I will need him at the major league level. Of course, as I write this my Major League 3B is among the leaders in average, HR and RBI's is now hurt for 4 weeks. Right now I am playing with my backup at 3B. He's not hitting well. 3B at triple A is not good enough either. "AA" 3B is ok (2 star prospect) but my Stud in "A" ball looks as if he could move. I think I want to continue with leaving him in the minors for now. In June I will move him to "AA" ball. In my limited amount of playing OOTP I was just wondering what everyone thought. My draft pick has a contact rating of 100 (scale of 0-100). I thought he might be too good for the minors and was wondering if I should move him to the majors. I think I will leave him for 3 months and then see where he might need to be moved. Thanks for the imput so far.

10-25-2004, 02:44 PM	#6
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	His player RATING is 100 (contact) his player TALENT is 8 (contact). I have my ratings set at the 0-100 scale and the talent scale is set at the 2-8.

10-25-2004, 02:49 PM	#9
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	I have thought that with a Contact rating of 100 he should be in the majors, but I also thought of moving him too early I would hurt his chances of being a Hall-of-Famer. He is 21 years of age. I am thinking that if he progresses like I think he will I can have him at the "AAA" level by the seasons end. Then next year he can start at the "AAA" level and move to the majors for the rest of his career. Should be around age 23 when he is moved to the majors. By the time I move him to the majors the current contract of my Major league 3B will be over and he will be 39 years old. Sounds like a plan if I can keep it and not get excited about how good my minor leaguer is doing.

10-25-2004, 02:54 PM	#10
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	Damn, I have not even thought of checking to see what his scouting report is. Since I just drafted him, I had not thought of looking at that. Thank you for the help. I was wondering if I might hurt his career if I moved him to fast or if I moved him from draft to the major leagues. I will check that when I get home this afternoon.

10-25-2004, 03:12 PM	#12
Barry Diamond Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 151	Thanks kingcharlesxii. I had forgot about keeping him in the minors too long can also hurt him. I just thought that moving him from the draft to the majors might hurt him. I might as well see just how good he really is. Let the boy play!!

10-25-2004, 03:40 PM	#14
Astros02 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 506	1 test of each situation isn't a good sample. Wonder what you'd get if you tried each a few more times.

10-25-2004, 03:59 PM	#15
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	I realize my "test" wasn't scientific. I was just curious if I did the right thing or not...... I think I did the right thing because I needed the player at the time of the draft, but I probably could have put in a scrub for 2-3 years and could have done just as well.

10-25-2004, 06:10 PM	#16
LawDawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 49	I think you are bringing too much reality into OOTP. In OOTP, the whole purpose of the minor leagues is to (1) if he has major-league talent, get his ratings up to where his talents are or (2) if he doesn't have major-league talent, to let him sit there until he gets a talent upgrade or you dismiss him. So if he has the major-league talent and the major-league ratings he is a major-leaguer. The game doesn't know that he hasn't "mentally matured" in the minors or that he is only 19 years old. When he gets to the majors - to see how he performs OOTP looks at his ratings, just like all other OOTP players. So move his butt to the majors where he can be a star. If you keep him in the minors with major-league ratings, not only are you wasting his playing skills, but you are risking having them decrease as he is playing against inferior players. Although OOTP does sim real-life baseball it only does it based on certain programmed rules. Often as owners we bring all kinds of norms that only really exist in the real world. For instance - he is a young kid, just drafted, so I should probably put him in the minors first to make sure he is ready for the major leagues. Instead OOTP says, what is his contact rating, what is his power rating, what is his eye/discipline rating. If it is at or above major league level, he should be in the majors and will perform accordingly.

10-25-2004, 06:14 PM	#17
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	what is consider major league rating for contact, power, gap, eye, etc?

10-25-2004, 06:18 PM	#19
LawDawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 49	That depends on comparable ratings presently in the major leagues in the league in question. If most starting players have 60 in contact rating then major-league ready contact rating is probably somewhat lower than that, maybe 50. Now obviously as you get right around that threshold, different owners like to bring up players early or later depending on the team's situation, the player's situation, etc. However, that isn't really an issue here - if I read the previous posts correctly the player being discussed has a rating of 100. So there is no doubt he has major-league ready ratings.

10-26-2004, 09:40 AM	#20
Kaline Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 321	He had a 100 contact rating out of the draft? Wow, he could be a consistant .360 plus hitter. Id leave him in the minors for this year, and start him in the bigs next year. Dump off your old 3B and maybe teach this kid another position (RF/1B). Bring him up too start next season.... Why wait, he'll only get a quarter/1/3 of a seasons at bats, Id just as well give him a full season too start, plus get too win the ROY, and hey, you dont need him this year anyway.