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dougaiton · 09-28-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

dola back at ya

Personally, I don't buy the "pressure" argument. I don't think Weaver was especially suited for the Yankees, either in the role he was given (5th starter/long relief) or in the way his pitching style matched the makeup of the team. I just think it's kind of silly to blame a flyball pitcher's success or failure on his middle infielders' defense.

Aye! Sorry, we're entirely in agreement then. I was just wondering, although I never actually said it, whether the OF defense wasn't a problem for Weaver. Defense is such a difficult thing to judge....

One thing I don't understand, and it must be something truly amazing but I can't find the stats at reference, is how a flyball pitcher allowed so many hits - normally, its the groundball pitchers who normally peak here, while flyball guys hurt themselves with HR. Could it be that Weaver's season really was one for the ages?

dougaiton · 09-28-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Perhaps a 25% increase in his strikeout/walk ratio, coupled with playing in one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in the league?

Sorry, I didn't make it clear enough - that's translated stats, so it takes Dodger/Yankee stadium into account. The real numbers (plus Weaver's k.bb ratio) are better, if you see what I mean. Even accounting for Chavez Ravine, it's still 2 hits.

tim_uwrf · 09-28-2004, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by twins15

I'm not sure I like this guy's chances to win the division:

Is that a jab at me?? Errrrr.....bsbll_n_mn?

cooper_gd · 09-28-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by holyroller

Great post!

Heh heh heh, you said, POST! Heh heh heh.

ctorg · 09-28-2004, 12:29 PM

Barry Bonds choked? Did he die? Is he all right? Man, I didn't see it on any of the sports pages. Wow. Anyone know what's going on with him?

billycola · 09-28-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Barry Bonds choked? Did he die? Is he all right? Man, I didn't see it on any of the sports pages. Wow. Anyone know what's going on with him?

He's not winning the NL West that's for sure.

Crapshoot · 09-28-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by billycola

He's not winning the NL West that's for sure.

you're a smart one - aren't you ?

Joshv02 · 09-29-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Perhaps a 25% increase in his strikeout/walk ratio, coupled with playing in one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in the league?

This is cherry picking.

Sure, there is a 25% difference in y-t-y so:bb (if you use BPro's DT stats, it is a 17% increase). But, over 200 innings, that difference accounts for 5 runs or about a 0.23 difference in ERA. That is very very little of his actual difference of 2 RA/9 ip. [Over 200 ip, those translated stats show a difference of 11 SO and 7 BBs. 11 SO = ~3 runs. 6 BB = ~2 runs. Combine them, you get 5 runs +/- life. This is nice. 5 runs is about 1/2 aggregate win, or about one less blow out.]

His increased so/bb ratio has marginal difference on his season. It doesn't do much to show how or why he gave up fewer runs.

BTW: the Yanks also had one of the worst regular defensive CFers last year in Bernie. UZR had him at -35 in about 1000 innings. UZR also thought Matsui was a negative fielder (though it didn't hate Sori).

IatricSB · 09-29-2004, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Barry Bonds choked? Did he die? Is he all right? Man, I didn't see it on any of the sports pages. Wow. Anyone know what's going on with him?

BillyCola didn't say he choked. He told Barry to choke on it (the losses I assume). As for Barry, he did all he could against the Dodgers, but it wasn't enough.

Anybody catch the 9th inning of the game LA game against Colorado Tuesday night. With one out, Chacon walks four straight batters, then against Harrikala (SP?), Werth gets a 2 RBI double and Finley singles in the winning runs. Good stuff. For years the Dodgers have been gutless and if down 2 to nothing, you might as well give up on them coming back. This year they have 51 come from behind victories (all time Dodger record is 52 I believe by the '53 Dodgers). With the Giant/Dodger and A's/Angels going to the wire, it's been some great fun to watch.

LivnLegend · 09-29-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Aadik

you're a smart one - aren't you ?

Don't be too bitter about this Aadik. We all know your Giants had no business making the West this close. Now let's see if they can finish second, ahead of the Padres.

mlyons · 09-29-2004, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

[Over 200 ip, those translated stats show a difference of 11 SO and 7 BBs. 11 SO = ~3 runs. 6 BB = ~2 runs. Combine them, you get 5 runs +/- life. This is nice. 5 runs is about 1/2 aggregate win, or about one less blow out.]

11 K's? Project his strikeouts from last season (93 in 159.1 innings) to 200 innings and you get 117. Take his strikeouts for this season (144 in 207 innings) and you get 139 in 200 innings, a difference of 22. Where does the 11 come in? I also show his walks coming out about even now.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 09-29-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IatricSB

With the Giant/Dodger and A's/Angels going to the wire, it's been some great fun to watch.

That's for sure. I have to pity the rest of the country, where they don't even get one great pennant race to watch.

Skipaway · 09-29-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

11 K's? Project his strikeouts from last season (93 in 159.1 innings) to 200 innings and you get 117. Take his strikeouts for this season (144 in 207 innings) and you get 139 in 200 innings, a difference of 22. Where does the 11 come in? I also show his walks coming out about even now.

Park adjustments? I would believe he's using the adjusted numbers provided on baseballprospectus.com.

mlyons · 09-29-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Park adjustments? I would believe he's using the adjusted numbers provided on baseballprospectus.com.

How do you park adjust for strikeouts and walks? What effect could a ballpark have on them?

Skipaway · 09-29-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

How do you park adjust for strikeouts and walks? What effect could a ballpark have on them?

Background of the pitcher is important, since that would effect how well the batter can see. That's one of the reason for some night/day splits also.

Also, parks with larger fair grounds would mean more plate appearances turned into foul outs, and that would reduce your walk and strikeout numbers.

There are probably some other factors I can't remember right now.

IatricSB · 09-29-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

How do you park adjust for strikeouts and walks? What effect could a ballpark have on them?

Visibility. Isn't the Met's stadium known for higher K's because of poor visibility?

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