**** OOTP 4.1 update released **** - Page 2

nzsprts · 07-24-2002, 04:58 PM

Will this update work with a career league that is already underway ... or do you have to start a new career league to access the new features? Thanks for the help, and thanks for the update!

Steve Kuffrey · 07-24-2002, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by nzsprts
Will this update work with a career league that is already underway ... or do you have to start a new career league to access the new features? Thanks for the help, and thanks for the update!

Yes, it can be used with a current league.

spleen1015 · 07-24-2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by hoochpit
How's is that a major update. Yearly stats are already kept, and the majors keeps stats for every year in the majors. I'm a programmer so I know it would be very simple to use the logic for storing major league career stats to store the minor league career stats. You must be misunderstaning me because using the same code block from one place to another is very easy, in any language.

It depends on how the code is written. Not knowing how the code is written, this is an unfair statement to make.

sporr · 07-24-2002, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by CUBL Commish
Steve do you know if the FTP.... DL and Transactions issues were fixed?

Did the DL bug happen to get fixed?
DL bug i'm talking about

Also.. I still notice that the transactions aren't showing up with FTP exports. [eg. Player X moved from Majors to AAA.. not showing up on the html reports or in game]

Great patch guys!! Many many thanks!!

Kurtis
CUBL Commish

The only way for the transactions to show up in the FTP exports would be if the transaction text file was somehow included in the export and overwrote the commissioner copy. The problem would be if an owner had a bad transaction text file and the commish copy was overwritten with it, it could result in a much bigger data problem. Of course, if there was somehow another way to do it, that would be much better.

Jason Moyer · 07-24-2002, 05:46 PM

Keeping track of more statistics (whether it's minor league stats, defensive stats, or more stats - all 3 of which I'd like in OOTP5) would increase the minimum system requirements.

Regardless of how difficult it would be actually add those statistics, anything which increases the sys reqs is going to be a major upgrade.

Jason

ednote · 07-24-2002, 10:20 PM

Thanks for the quick reply.

Perhaps I should have mentioned in my original post that I had attempted the download several times before asking the question on the board. I was trying to eliminate the possibility there was just a glitch.

I made my 18th attempt to download. Still no luck. Still the same error message. I suppose I will (a) keep trying or (b) say screw it and hope to find the d/l at another location.

Thanks, anyway.

hoochpit · 07-25-2002, 09:19 AM

Jason, sorry but you are wrong. I'm fine without the other stats, I was just making a statement, but, using more space is the system requirement you talk about, and that alone does not constitute a major update. Just because you use more system, does not mean it's major. Adding a simple '*' beside the names of players that are over 30(just and example) would increase system requirements and by no means would that be a major update. That, in any language, would be very simplistic. I love this game, and respect the job the developers have done, but know what you people are talking about before state 'facts'. For god sake, this isn't written in ada or fortran. Anyway, again, great job Steve/Markus. I love this game.

nix · 07-25-2002, 12:50 PM

Edmote,
I'm having the same problem, i keep receiving an error message too. Anyone has an idea on how can i get this thang d/l.?

Operation Shutdown · 07-25-2002, 12:59 PM

Okay, well I updated to the 4.1 patch last night and noticed one small problem. It used to be when I simmed an entire week or month at a time, I would get a pop-up notice whenever I got an e-mail telling me that I got e-mail and asking if I'd like to stop the sim. This no longer happens for me. Is there an option somewhere that I have to select for this to happen?

Steve Kuffrey · 07-25-2002, 01:07 PM

It is possible that installing the update "reset" this option in the schedule, have you checked that?

Jason Moyer · 07-25-2002, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by hoochpit
Jason, sorry but you are wrong. I'm fine without the other stats, I was just making a statement, but, using more space is the system requirement you talk about, and that alone does not constitute a major update.

Just from observing the game itself, I'd estimate that more stats would require, as you said more harddrive space (minor league stats alone would quadruple the harddrive requirements, since you'd be keeping track of 4 times as many statistics - ML, AAA, AA, A).

Anyway, I can't imagine any developer worth their salt releasing a patch for a product that quadruples one of the system requirements. Mr. Joe Blow with an older machine and say 200mb of HD space picks up STB2k3 in a store after reading the sys reqs, then goes home and downloads the latest patch which increases the system requirements so that they exceed what he has available.

Anything that increases reqs should IMHO be a fully new version, not a minor version upgrade (i.e. 4--->5 not 4.0-->4.1).

To be honest, the ability to keep track of minor league stats exists now via 3rd-party utilities anyway. I would definitely like to see these in a future version, along with dozens of other stats that aren't kept on a career-basis (situational stats, team stats) or at all (HOF Standards, the new Runs Created formula instead of the old one, pythagorean standings, full team and league stats for everything tracked in the game).

I dunno, rather than doing a complete database overhaul in order to add one relatively minor feature for 4.1, I'd rather Markus considered completely rethinking the way statistical presentation is handled for OOTP5. It would be great if there were a section of statistics which would allow you to select different filters aka HH2k3's "league leaders" area but with greater accuracy and more functionality. Maybe it could be called "league reports" or something. The presentation and filterability of statistics on a team/league/association level is the only thing I dislike about the current interface and much prefer in HH2k3 (except that it doesn't really work correctly).

Jason

Malleus Dei · 07-25-2002, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
anything which increases the sys reqs is going to be a major upgrade.

Absolutely correct. A very wise observation.

statmeister · 07-25-2002, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Twinky
I downloaded the patch, and unzipped on my one computer with no problem. The problem I see now is....how to I transfer the zip file to another computer that has no internet access? The file size is too big for a floppy? Thanks...Todd

Twinky, if you use WinZip, create a new archive on a floppy, and add the zip file you d/l'd to the archive. When the first floppy is full, it will ask for another, and so on until it is complete.

I think PKZIP 2.04 also has the capability to span large archives over multiple floppy disks.

-SM

ednote · 07-25-2002, 07:12 PM

Nix:

Just keep fightin' it, man. I lost track of how many times I kept trying the download until it worked properly. But keep trying, because the update was worth the wait!

ps2fanatic_1 · 07-26-2002, 12:04 AM

I downloaded the update, extracted it, put it in my OOTP4 folder overwriting the previous file, and when I try to open the game it loads and then closes. Everything worked fine before putting the update in so I know it has to do with this.

BTW, I am running Windows XP.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

HolyCow98 · 07-28-2002, 06:06 PM

I know on my computer when I'm downloading if the transfer rate fall to slow (on my system, about 1.75kb/Sec) it will say it is completed at some point. If I try and open it will give me the invalid archive error and be of no use to me. If I look at the size of the file that I downloaded it will be a smaller file than what the file was supposed to be.

I guess if there is too slow of a connection due to the sluggish speed of using phone lines that the computer believes the file to be completed and stops the downloading process.

I only know of two things to do when I run into this problem.
1) keep trying.
2) Find a free or shareware version of a Download Manager that supports interrupted downloads. Even if it doesn't get the whole file the first time when you go back it well start where it left off instead of starting all over.

hisstorymn · 07-28-2002, 07:06 PM

Im running XP as well but have had no trouble with the update. Are you running any software in the background. ie Real One Player is a killer for some programs.

ps2fanatic_1 · 07-28-2002, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by hisstorymn
Im running XP as well but have had no trouble with the update. Are you running any software in the background. ie Real One Player is a killer for some programs.

No, everything that's running ran when I was using 4.0.

Also HolyCow98, Download Accelerator works very well with resuming downloads. You should check it out.

Here's the link

Mrexbaseball · 07-29-2002, 01:33 PM

When is the patch with counter offer due out?

TommyBoy · 08-16-2002, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Mrexbaseball
When is the patch with counter offer due out?

The estimate was about 4 weeks from the 4.1 patch, which would point to late August/early September.

Can any Beta testers comment on how the counter-offer testing is going?

07-24-2002, 05:46 PM	#25
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,111	Keeping track of more statistics (whether it's minor league stats, defensive stats, or more stats - all 3 of which I'd like in OOTP5) would increase the minimum system requirements. Regardless of how difficult it would be actually add those statistics, anything which increases the sys reqs is going to be a major upgrade. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

07-25-2002, 09:19 AM	#27
hoochpit Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 81	Jason, sorry but you are wrong. I'm fine without the other stats, I was just making a statement, but, using more space is the system requirement you talk about, and that alone does not constitute a major update. Just because you use more system, does not mean it's major. Adding a simple '*' beside the names of players that are over 30(just and example) would increase system requirements and by no means would that be a major update. That, in any language, would be very simplistic. I love this game, and respect the job the developers have done, but know what you people are talking about before state 'facts'. For god sake, this isn't written in ada or fortran. Anyway, again, great job Steve/Markus. I love this game. __________________ Death is not the worst evil, but rather when we wish to die and cannot. "Sophocles"

07-25-2002, 12:50 PM	#28
nix Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 67	Edmote, I'm having the same problem, i keep receiving an error message too. Anyone has an idea on how can i get this thang d/l.? __________________ nix

07-25-2002, 12:59 PM	#29
Operation Shutdown All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 912	Problem with 4.1 Okay, well I updated to the 4.1 patch last night and noticed one small problem. It used to be when I simmed an entire week or month at a time, I would get a pop-up notice whenever I got an e-mail telling me that I got e-mail and asking if I'd like to stop the sim. This no longer happens for me. Is there an option somewhere that I have to select for this to happen?

07-25-2002, 01:07 PM	#30
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	It is possible that installing the update "reset" this option in the schedule, have you checked that? __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

07-24-2002, 04:58 PM	#21
nzsprts Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 47	Will this update work with a career league that is already underway ... or do you have to start a new career league to access the new features? Thanks for the help, and thanks for the update!

07-24-2002, 10:20 PM	#26
ednote Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ironwood, Mich. Posts: 222	Thanks for the quick reply. Perhaps I should have mentioned in my original post that I had attempted the download several times before asking the question on the board. I was trying to eliminate the possibility there was just a glitch. I made my 18th attempt to download. Still no luck. Still the same error message. I suppose I will (a) keep trying or (b) say screw it and hope to find the d/l at another location. Thanks, anyway.

07-25-2002, 07:12 PM	#34
ednote Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ironwood, Mich. Posts: 222	Nix: Just keep fightin' it, man. I lost track of how many times I kept trying the download until it worked properly. But keep trying, because the update was worth the wait!

07-26-2002, 12:04 AM	#35
ps2fanatic_1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 38	I downloaded the update, extracted it, put it in my OOTP4 folder overwriting the previous file, and when I try to open the game it loads and then closes. Everything worked fine before putting the update in so I know it has to do with this. BTW, I am running Windows XP. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

07-28-2002, 06:06 PM	#36
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I know on my computer when I'm downloading if the transfer rate fall to slow (on my system, about 1.75kb/Sec) it will say it is completed at some point. If I try and open it will give me the invalid archive error and be of no use to me. If I look at the size of the file that I downloaded it will be a smaller file than what the file was supposed to be. I guess if there is too slow of a connection due to the sluggish speed of using phone lines that the computer believes the file to be completed and stops the downloading process. I only know of two things to do when I run into this problem. 1) keep trying. 2) Find a free or shareware version of a Download Manager that supports interrupted downloads. Even if it doesn't get the whole file the first time when you go back it well start where it left off instead of starting all over. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

07-28-2002, 07:06 PM	#37
hisstorymn Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 75	Win XP Im running XP as well but have had no trouble with the update. Are you running any software in the background. ie Real One Player is a killer for some programs. __________________ He who has the most toys at the end... is still dead

07-29-2002, 01:33 PM	#39
Mrexbaseball Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 471 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	When is the patch with counter offer due out?