Who the frig is Cody Ross?!?

atomheart · 07-21-2002, 11:18 PM

Allright. This is strange.

I'm using ghostrolens rosters.

I have this centerfielder, named Cody Ross.

He's played for a year and a half in the big leagues, and his numbers were less than average this last year. He his .218 with 5 home runs and 57 RBIs on a good RBI team. He played in 161 games.

He's going to be an unrestricted FA once I continue to the next season, so I tried to sign him to an extention. He would not listen to me, and WOULD NOT EVEN TAKE 20 MILLION a year! Must be a superstar, right?

What's confusing is his scouting report, particulary the first line:
Scouting Report on Cody Ross :

Cody Ross is a bright star! You can't ask for more than he does at the plate! Most Valuable Player every year. He has the tools legends are made of. He will collect a few hits. But in order to contribute consistently he will need to improve in this area. The longball is really not his best weapon . Every once in awhile he'll hit one out, but not too often. He often swings at bad pitches and needs to go deeper in the count, he looks very impatient
at the plate. Cody does a decent job in protecting the plate, he will strike out at times though. He is not even an average baserunner, so no worries when he gets on.

MVP EVERY YEAR?

His talent stats:
BA: Fair
2B: avg
3B: fair
HR: fair
BB: avg
K: avg

Nothing special at all here.

He has an "A" for range, but a .900 for fielding, and he committed 55 (!) errors last year. He has a D speed, D stealing, D bunt, E bunt for hit rating.

Clearly, this is not a good player. Platoon, at best.

Soooo....what the heck is going on here?

Why is this guy rated to be "MVP every year" ?
Why is he worth more than 20 million?

Keep in mind, I adjusted my scout's ratings to brilliant after I couldn't sign him, and I thought something was buggy. That's the scouting report from the "Brilliant" scout.

Anyone have any ideas?

If anyone has used ghostrolens rosters, look up him for me, could you? I'd like to see what his progress is elsewhere.

JAttractive · 07-22-2002, 12:39 AM

I am not sure exactly as I play fictional leagues only but I have read other posts about this and it has something to do with certain player databases getting "confused" by players who had only a handful of AB's in real life and so having a ridiculous batting average by pure luck (ie. 2 hits in 2 AB's, 1.000 avg.).

atomheart · 07-22-2002, 01:31 AM

I've run across that too, but that case doesn't apply here...'cause his stats suck. His ratings suck, and his talent ratings suck too.

The only thing out of the ordinary is that first line in the scouting report "MVP every year".

Could that alone be the reason why he is so highly regarded? I mean, could this be a bug? Or a diamond in the rough?

****
So, an update. Since I couldn't sign him, I had no choice but to let him go. When I did, he his rated FIRST in the "Free agent report" but with talent levels well below the 2nd rated guy.

I clicked on him to see if I could sign him, and he's asking for over 11 million a year.

What the heck?

atomheart · 07-22-2002, 04:22 AM

Ross just signed for 11 million something a year.

I'll keep an eye on him.

PocketAces9900 · 07-22-2002, 08:58 AM

Hmm sounds like the real life Todd Hundley or the real lief Moises Alou (can you tell i"m bitter about those 2 players from the Cubs)

Alan T · 07-22-2002, 09:55 AM

Using the same rosters, the first year of free agency, the Yankees spent 11 million a year for 5 years to sign Derek Bell for Centerfield. They then went and put Bell in the lineup batting 9th. He had a beautiful .235 average with about 4 HR last time I checked in mid-August. Bernie Williams was their DH, only making about 6mil a year and batting his customary .335 and 15 HR.

Nice to see the Yankees spending so wisely.. Of course it could be realistic for them

atomheart · 07-22-2002, 07:36 PM

My god, Derek Bell? Operation Shutdown? It was a holiday here when the Bucs released him...

It just seems so wierd. Other than an "A" range, nothing is special about Ross... I think it's a bug. Which makes me think that a player is directly valued upon the first line or two from his scouting report.

I'll keep ya updated, just because it's fun.

Can someone else look up Cody Ross on ghostrolen's rosters?

JAttractive · 07-22-2002, 08:17 PM

When I mentioned about his stats throwing the computer off I meant his real life stats. It sounds to me like Cody Ross is one of those players that got a couple of at bats in real life and had a huge average but was simply lucky in the few plate appearances and not a talented player at all. The database correctly gives him low talent ratings which translate into garbage production in the game but the scouting report is thrown off by the real life statistics.

I remember reading this problem and that was the gist of the explanation given, that it is simply a product of the scouting report being thrown off by the limited real life stats.

CBL-Commish · 07-23-2002, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAttractive
When I mentioned about his stats throwing the computer off I meant his real life stats. It sounds to me like Cody Ross is one of those players that got a couple of at bats in real life and had a huge average but was simply lucky in the few plate appearances and not a talented player at all. The database correctly gives him low talent ratings which translate into garbage production in the game but the scouting report is thrown off by the real life statistics.

I remember reading this problem and that was the gist of the explanation given, that it is simply a product of the scouting report being thrown off by the limited real life stats.

I don't think that's true. In real life he's playing AA ball in the Eastern League and he's never had a major league at bat.

Alan T · 07-23-2002, 08:12 AM

Yes, I think there is more than just reading the top line of stats and getting confused. In Derek Bell's case, he is pretty much the normal .230-.250 hitter with medium power. He has 15 homers by the end of the season with the Yankees, primarily because they played him every day batting in their 9th hole. Nice investment for $12mil.

In looking at his ratings, the only ones that are decent are his fielding ratings. All batting ratings are 1's or 2 and no talent either to expect things to change that.

His scouting report though says he is a bright star, MVP year after year, and I am guessing whatever the computer bases the scouting report on is what the yankees based paying him that much money on.

Now I know this could be viewed as semi-realistic in that the Pirates tossed a ton of money on Bell after he was washed up in Real life

I think though something is getting confused in there somewhere. I just am not enough of a programmer to begin to guess what. I guess the same problem happened to Cody Ross in your league.

Tiger Fan · 07-23-2002, 08:21 AM

I quicksimmed a dozen seasons with the Rolen Rosters a while back and Ross did nothing in my league. He had 48 major league at bats as of 2014.

atomheart · 07-23-2002, 11:37 PM

That's what I figured.

UPDATE: Ross hit an amazing .213 with 34 RBI's through 150 games. A dud.

Looks like I made the right move!!

Recte44 · 07-25-2002, 09:31 AM

From ESPN's John Sickels' Down on the Farm column:

Steve S. writes: I've recently noticed a guy whom I've not seen mentioned previously, but who is putting up good power/speed numbers on Detroit's Double-A team, named Cody Ross. Can you tell me your thoughts on him and whether or not he looks to be a big-time prospect? He seems to be young enough at 21 in Double-A with good numbers, so I'm surprised I've not seen any news on him.

Ross is a sleeper, and we should be hearing more about him over the next few months. As you mention, he is putting up intriguing power/speed numbers this year at Double-A Erie. He's hitting .289/.353./.540 through 79 games, with 15 steals to go with his 16 homers and 21 doubles. He isn't extremely patient, drawing just 26 walks so far in 328 plate appearances, but he doesn't strike out excessively, which gives him a good chance to control the strike zone at higher levels. At age 21, he has lots of development time left. His walk rate was a bit higher in A-ball than it has been in Double-A, and in the long run, I don't think plate discipline will be an insurmountable problem for him.

Ross was drafted in the fourth round in 1999, out of high school in New Mexico. At 5-11, 180, he isn't a big toolsy physical monster that makes scouts sweat. But he has good athletic ability, works his tail off, and shows sound baseball instincts. I like him quite a bit.

MrWorkrate · 07-25-2002, 11:40 AM

Thing I've noticed about some players, and I've seen this happen twice in my career league. Once in a while, a player will learn a position, but will be rated a "*" there. The bar next to it will be filled, but the rating isn't "A", it's "*". When this is listed as his primary position, it tends to make the scout think the player is amazing, and they'll overpay for him in free agency (if he's available) or just start him over much more deserving players.

The quickest and easiest solution to this is to go and edit the range for that position and make it "A" instead of "*". That should make the scout suddenly "snap out of it" and realize him for the mediocre player he actually is. Then, watch him come cowering back with his contract demands, or if he's already been signed for that big money deal, watch the team try to dump his salary.

07-21-2002, 11:18 PM	#1
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	Who the frig is Cody Ross?!? Allright. This is strange. I'm using ghostrolens rosters. I have this centerfielder, named Cody Ross. He's played for a year and a half in the big leagues, and his numbers were less than average this last year. He his .218 with 5 home runs and 57 RBIs on a good RBI team. He played in 161 games. He's going to be an unrestricted FA once I continue to the next season, so I tried to sign him to an extention. He would not listen to me, and WOULD NOT EVEN TAKE 20 MILLION a year! Must be a superstar, right? What's confusing is his scouting report, particulary the first line: Scouting Report on Cody Ross : Cody Ross is a bright star! You can't ask for more than he does at the plate! Most Valuable Player every year. He has the tools legends are made of. He will collect a few hits. But in order to contribute consistently he will need to improve in this area. The longball is really not his best weapon . Every once in awhile he'll hit one out, but not too often. He often swings at bad pitches and needs to go deeper in the count, he looks very impatient at the plate. Cody does a decent job in protecting the plate, he will strike out at times though. He is not even an average baserunner, so no worries when he gets on. MVP EVERY YEAR? His talent stats: BA: Fair 2B: avg 3B: fair HR: fair BB: avg K: avg Nothing special at all here. He has an "A" for range, but a .900 for fielding, and he committed 55 (!) errors last year. He has a D speed, D stealing, D bunt, E bunt for hit rating. Clearly, this is not a good player. Platoon, at best. Soooo....what the heck is going on here? Why is this guy rated to be "MVP every year" ? Why is he worth more than 20 million? Keep in mind, I adjusted my scout's ratings to brilliant after I couldn't sign him, and I thought something was buggy. That's the scouting report from the "Brilliant" scout. Anyone have any ideas? If anyone has used ghostrolens rosters, look up him for me, could you? I'd like to see what his progress is elsewhere.

07-23-2002, 08:21 AM	#11
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	I quicksimmed a dozen seasons with the Rolen Rosters a while back and Ross did nothing in my league. He had 48 major league at bats as of 2014. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

07-25-2002, 09:31 AM	#13
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,818	From ESPN's John Sickels' Down on the Farm column: Steve S. writes: I've recently noticed a guy whom I've not seen mentioned previously, but who is putting up good power/speed numbers on Detroit's Double-A team, named Cody Ross. Can you tell me your thoughts on him and whether or not he looks to be a big-time prospect? He seems to be young enough at 21 in Double-A with good numbers, so I'm surprised I've not seen any news on him. Ross is a sleeper, and we should be hearing more about him over the next few months. As you mention, he is putting up intriguing power/speed numbers this year at Double-A Erie. He's hitting .289/.353./.540 through 79 games, with 15 steals to go with his 16 homers and 21 doubles. He isn't extremely patient, drawing just 26 walks so far in 328 plate appearances, but he doesn't strike out excessively, which gives him a good chance to control the strike zone at higher levels. At age 21, he has lots of development time left. His walk rate was a bit higher in A-ball than it has been in Double-A, and in the long run, I don't think plate discipline will be an insurmountable problem for him. Ross was drafted in the fourth round in 1999, out of high school in New Mexico. At 5-11, 180, he isn't a big toolsy physical monster that makes scouts sweat. But he has good athletic ability, works his tail off, and shows sound baseball instincts. I like him quite a bit. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

07-22-2002, 12:39 AM	#2
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,135	I am not sure exactly as I play fictional leagues only but I have read other posts about this and it has something to do with certain player databases getting "confused" by players who had only a handful of AB's in real life and so having a ridiculous batting average by pure luck (ie. 2 hits in 2 AB's, 1.000 avg.).

07-22-2002, 01:31 AM	#3
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	I've run across that too, but that case doesn't apply here...'cause his stats suck. His ratings suck, and his talent ratings suck too. The only thing out of the ordinary is that first line in the scouting report "MVP every year". Could that alone be the reason why he is so highly regarded? I mean, could this be a bug? Or a diamond in the rough? **** So, an update. Since I couldn't sign him, I had no choice but to let him go. When I did, he his rated FIRST in the "Free agent report" but with talent levels well below the 2nd rated guy. I clicked on him to see if I could sign him, and he's asking for over 11 million a year. What the heck?

07-22-2002, 04:22 AM	#4
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	Ross just signed for 11 million something a year. I'll keep an eye on him.

07-22-2002, 08:58 AM	#5
PocketAces9900 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 140	Hmm sounds like the real life Todd Hundley or the real lief Moises Alou (can you tell i"m bitter about those 2 players from the Cubs)

07-22-2002, 09:55 AM	#6
Alan T All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass. Posts: 1,963	Using the same rosters, the first year of free agency, the Yankees spent 11 million a year for 5 years to sign Derek Bell for Centerfield. They then went and put Bell in the lineup batting 9th. He had a beautiful .235 average with about 4 HR last time I checked in mid-August. Bernie Williams was their DH, only making about 6mil a year and batting his customary .335 and 15 HR. Nice to see the Yankees spending so wisely.. Of course it could be realistic for them

07-22-2002, 07:36 PM	#7
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	My god, Derek Bell? Operation Shutdown? It was a holiday here when the Bucs released him... It just seems so wierd. Other than an "A" range, nothing is special about Ross... I think it's a bug. Which makes me think that a player is directly valued upon the first line or two from his scouting report. I'll keep ya updated, just because it's fun. Can someone else look up Cody Ross on ghostrolen's rosters?

07-22-2002, 08:17 PM	#8
JAttractive All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario Posts: 1,135	When I mentioned about his stats throwing the computer off I meant his real life stats. It sounds to me like Cody Ross is one of those players that got a couple of at bats in real life and had a huge average but was simply lucky in the few plate appearances and not a talented player at all. The database correctly gives him low talent ratings which translate into garbage production in the game but the scouting report is thrown off by the real life statistics. I remember reading this problem and that was the gist of the explanation given, that it is simply a product of the scouting report being thrown off by the limited real life stats.

07-23-2002, 08:12 AM	#10
Alan T All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass. Posts: 1,963	Yes, I think there is more than just reading the top line of stats and getting confused. In Derek Bell's case, he is pretty much the normal .230-.250 hitter with medium power. He has 15 homers by the end of the season with the Yankees, primarily because they played him every day batting in their 9th hole. Nice investment for $12mil. In looking at his ratings, the only ones that are decent are his fielding ratings. All batting ratings are 1's or 2 and no talent either to expect things to change that. His scouting report though says he is a bright star, MVP year after year, and I am guessing whatever the computer bases the scouting report on is what the yankees based paying him that much money on. Now I know this could be viewed as semi-realistic in that the Pirates tossed a ton of money on Bell after he was washed up in Real life I think though something is getting confused in there somewhere. I just am not enough of a programmer to begin to guess what. I guess the same problem happened to Cody Ross in your league.

07-23-2002, 11:37 PM	#12
atomheart Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 454	That's what I figured. UPDATE: Ross hit an amazing .213 with 34 RBI's through 150 games. A dud. Looks like I made the right move!!

07-25-2002, 11:40 AM	#14
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	Thing I've noticed about some players, and I've seen this happen twice in my career league. Once in a while, a player will learn a position, but will be rated a "" there. The bar next to it will be filled, but the rating isn't "A", it's "". When this is listed as his primary position, it tends to make the scout think the player is amazing, and they'll overpay for him in free agency (if he's available) or just start him over much more deserving players. The quickest and easiest solution to this is to go and edit the range for that position and make it "A" instead of "*". That should make the scout suddenly "snap out of it" and realize him for the mediocre player he actually is. Then, watch him come cowering back with his contract demands, or if he's already been signed for that big money deal, watch the team try to dump his salary.