High OBPs....Barry Bonds...

[CaramonLS]

Right now Bonds (In real life) has an On base Percentage of .610!!!!!!

Not only that he is on pace to SMASH his previous walk record...

Has anyone had an OBP over .600 for a season? I've had mid 500s, but that was players hitting in EXTREMELY stacked lineups (so they rarely got pitched around).

What Bonds is doing right now is absolute craziness...

[streetballer67]

I have a RF who led the league last year at .430 OBP, nearly .200 lower than Bonds!

[sori12]

http://www.sportsjunkies.org/nohit/p575.html

is the best i've seen...nice OBP this season

[disposableheros]

Originally Posted by sori12

http://www.sportsjunkies.org/nohit/p575.html

is the best i've seen...nice OBP this season

you had me stoked to see a .600+ OBP. what a let down

[Falcon52]

To put it bluntly, a lot of pitchers in real life are just chicken to pitch to Bonds. In OOTP, that's not a factor. In reality, I think that if you went by Bonds' "ratings" alone, he'd draw about 130 walks per year in real life. The extra walks are a result of pitchers (or more accurately, their managers) not having the guts to throw a ball anywhere near the plate.

So therefore, even if a player in OOTP has similar "ratings" in drawing walks, they'll still fall short because there's no "fear" factor in a video game.

[DamnYankees]

In my league, my son (my manager's son) named Cassio Lutske retired with a career OBP of .477. His high in one season was .593. That's the best I've ever seen, but this was also a very offensive league. Jimmie Foxx retired with over 1,000 HR, and Lutske had well over 2,500 walks when his career was over.

EDIT: I just checked my CatoBase on the league, and Lutske's career OBP was actually .473. And he was 3rd on the list!
Ted Williams - .494 (through 8 years)
Charlie Keller - .485 (8 years)
Lutske - .473

77 players retired with career OBP above .400, comapred with 57 as of right now. Also, my league is only in 1947, so...you can see.

[gordyhulten]

This guy had a .511 once, good for second-best all-time in my league. He also had seasons of 217 and 201 BBs, but never won an MVP despite a career OPS of .949. He also had 12 straight seasons of 110+ runs scored.

Threadjack: How can anyone claim that Barry isn't the NL MVP this year? I keep hearing about Rolen, Pujols, Edmonds and Beltre. I can't understand why there's even a discussion.

[DamnYankees]

It easy. The Giants haven't gotten any better than they were last year, or two years ago, due to Bonds' presence. If the Giants make the playoffs, you have a case. As of right now, my vote goes to Beltre. The Cards are still good without Rolen, Pujols, or Edmonds. The Giants are alot better with Bonds, but Beltre has been unbelievable. He has turned a mediocre team into a really good one single-handedly.

It's like the old saying goes: It's not a bargain if you don't need it. Same in baseball: It's not valuable if you don't win.

[RMXO]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

It easy. The Giants haven't gotten any better than they were last year, or two years ago, due to Bonds' presence. If the Giants make the playoffs, you have a case. As of right now, my vote goes to Beltre. The Cards are still good without Rolen, Pujols, or Edmonds. The Giants are alot better with Bonds, but Beltre has been unbelievable. He has turned a mediocre team into a really good one single-handedly.

It's like the old saying goes: It's not a bargain if you don't need it. Same in baseball: It's not valuable if you don't win.

Bonds is clearly the MVP. he redefines how managers manage the game. He puts up crazy #'s for a guy that is walked a lot. If pitchers where to pitch to him like they do other guys, he (Bonds) would have a monstrous yr.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

It easy. The Giants haven't gotten any better than they were last year, or two years ago, due to Bonds' presence. If the Giants make the playoffs, you have a case. As of right now, my vote goes to Beltre. The Cards are still good without Rolen, Pujols, or Edmonds. The Giants are alot better with Bonds, but Beltre has been unbelievable. He has turned a mediocre team into a really good one single-handedly.

It's like the old saying goes: It's not a bargain if you don't need it. Same in baseball: It's not valuable if you don't win.

It is clearly Barry's Fault the Giants aren't getting better? Last time I checked the Giants aren't managed by Barry Bonds.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/roster/SF

There is the Giants roster and lists how much they are getting paid... Even with Barry taking up 1/4 of their Salary... they have more problems than that with payroll. (Rob nen we wont count because he has been injured for 2 yrs), but is Rueter a 6 million + Starter? NO.

Also Kevin Corriea should be able to hold a starting job in that line up (In my game he turned into an HOFer).... watching Tomko pitch is almost nausiating.

[DamnYankees]

I agree, Bonds is surrounded by crap. It's not Bond's fault. But, without a better way of saying it, too bad. The award is, and has always been, Most Valuable player. Value implies a recipient of value. It must be valuable to something or someone. Without an end goal being achieved, value plummets. If the Dodgers make the playoffs, I think Beltre deserves the MVP. If the Giants do, Bonds deserves it. If they both do, Bonds deserves it. But that's why MVP talk is so premature right now.

[UngratefulDead]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

I agree, Bonds is surrounded by crap. It's not Bond's fault. But, without a better way of saying it, too bad. The award is, and has always been, Most Valuable player. Value implies a recipient of value. It must be valuable to something or someone. Without an end goal being achieved, value plummets. If the Dodgers make the playoffs, I think Beltre deserves the MVP. If the Giants do, Bonds deserves it. If they both do, Bonds deserves it. But that's why MVP talk is so premature right now.

I disagree. MVP has always been, in my eyes anyway, an individual achievement. Bonds is the best player in baseball, and should be regarded as so regardless of what team he plays for.

[JDOldSchool]

Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

I disagree. MVP has always been, in my eyes anyway, an individual achievement. Bonds is the best player in baseball, and should be regarded as so regardless of what team he plays for.

But the award isn't "Best player" or even "best hitter." It's "most valuable." If there was an award for "Best player in Major League Baseball" I'm sure Bonds would run away with the award (and rightfully so).

[Cowboys3356]

Plus Barry uses more "juice" than all of the other MVP wannabes put together!!! Three cheers for the King of Steriods...Barry Barry, he's our man, if he can't inject it then no one can!!!

Gooooooooooooo Baaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrry!

[JDOldSchool]

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

Plus Barry uses more "juice" than all of the other MVP wannabes put together!!! Three cheers for the King of Steriods...Barry Barry, he's our man, if he can't inject it then no one can!!!

Gooooooooooooo Baaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrry!

Can you prove this? Bonds has remained the same size throughout this entire steroid controversy. Others (namely Giambi and Sosa) have gotten considerably smaller.

If anything, Bonds has used (and may still use) Human Growth Hormone. This was legal until recently, so it's very possible Bonds never even took anything illegal.

[mlyons]

Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Can you prove this? Bonds has remained the same size throughout this entire steroid controversy. Others (namely Giambi and Sosa) have gotten considerably smaller.

For crying out loud. Can we finally stop attributing Giambi's weight loss to steroid use? He had intestinal parasites and a tumor! You'd lose an awful lot of weight under those circumstances, too. I reserve judgement on whether or not he has used steroids until the whole BALCO thing is resolved, but stop using the way he's looked this year as evidence one way or the other, would you?

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

I disagree. MVP has always been, in my eyes anyway, an individual achievement. Bonds is the best player in baseball, and should be regarded as so regardless of what team he plays for.

How can you justify this, though? It's right there in the title. Valuable. Not best, most dominant, most intimidating. Its the guy who does the most to help his team reach a certain level. I honestly don't think anyone should ever win the MVP award without making the playoffs unless it is beyond obvious that his performance turned a horrid team into a respectable one, at the very, very least.

To be honest, I don't see Bonds doing that for the Giants. He's turned a slightly below average team into a slightly above average one. It's just not enough. Again, Lord knows its not his fault, but, again, too bad. He walks too much to make a big enough difference I think. He never gets a chance to be clutch, to come up big when it's needed. Again, its just too bad for him. If he had 600 AB, then I'd agree with you. But, until then, no.

[dsvitak]

I'm staying away from this one...

[jmm8356]

Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Can you prove this? Bonds has remained the same size throughout this entire steroid controversy. Others (namely Giambi and Sosa) have gotten considerably smaller.

If anything, Bonds has used (and may still use) Human Growth Hormone. This was legal until recently, so it's very possible Bonds never even took anything illegal.

But he's a lot bigger than he was when he was with the Pirates.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

It easy. The Giants haven't gotten any better than they were last year, or two years ago, due to Bonds' presence. If the Giants make the playoffs, you have a case. As of right now, my vote goes to Beltre. The Cards are still good without Rolen, Pujols, or Edmonds. The Giants are alot better with Bonds, but Beltre has been unbelievable. He has turned a mediocre team into a really good one single-handedly.

It's like the old saying goes: It's not a bargain if you don't need it. Same in baseball: It's not valuable if you don't win.

Roffle. This is brilliant- and absolutely false. But nice try- I guess the NL leader in Win Shares isnt responsible for keeping his team in playoff contention.