how you setup your batting order up? - Page 2

Todorojoz · 08-21-2004, 04:12 AM

my lineup goes like this

1. good base hitter with speed
2. similar to #1 but not as good at hitting and or speed
3. Best guy at getting a hit
4. Best HR hitter unless he is in the #3 spot

then 5-9 I just put in order of most power to least power. Simple as that.

jmm8356 · 08-21-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

do cpu owned teams make there lineup based on stats, current rating or talent rating?

I would think the AI would use the evaluation percentages to determine that sort of thing... but what I do know is that the AI always fills the 3, 4 and 5 slots before looking for a leadoff hitter.

Malleus Dei · 08-21-2004, 12:57 PM

I use Bill James' "Principles of Good Batting Order," and the lineups look a lot like Sporr's.

jbmagic · 08-21-2004, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

Even though studies suggest that batting order has little effect on wins:

1) Speedy OB guy
2) Contact guy
3) Pure hitter
4) Good hitter with power
5) Next best hitter with power
6) Power guy even if he can't hit for high average
7) Best remaining hitter
8) Best remaining hitter
9) Leftover

what differnce between pure hitter vs contact hitter? thanks

CaramonLS · 08-21-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

what differnce between pure hitter vs contact hitter? thanks

Pure Hitter would be the best overall hitter, not nessesarily power or contact, probably would have good gap power too.

Falcon52 · 08-21-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

by speedy you mean good at stealing bases or running speed?

A bit of both, but mainly stealing bases. I guess the best I can think of in real life baseball is a Juan Pierre or a Carl Crawford. Neither are big OBP guys, since they don't draw too many walks, but both have about a .300 average and both have speed to burn.

sporr · 08-26-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

what differnce between pure hitter vs contact hitter? thanks

To me, the best pure hitter is the player with the highest average. The best contact hitter is the player that puts the ball in play the most - someone who doesn't strikeout much. That way, he's more likely to move the runner up into scoring position.

NYM Fan 31 · 08-26-2004, 02:17 PM

I usually do it this way, and heres an example.

1. speed/stealing, avg - (Jose Reyes SS)
2. contact, good gap hitter, great eye. - (David Wright 3b)
3. Best all around hitter contact, power, eye - (Mike Piazza 1b)
4. Dont care about contact, just power and eye - (Adam Dunn lf)
5. Next best hitter either like #3 or 4. - (Richard Hidalgo rf)
6. Good contact hitter and gap power. - (Mike Cameron cf)
7. Leftover/young guy/preferably a speedy guy with decent power. (Rickie Weeks 2b)
8. I usually put a great defensive catcher here who may not be the best hitter - (Vance Wilson c)

Thats my lineup in a sim im doing.

disposableheros · 08-26-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NYM Fan 31

I usually do it this way, and heres an example.

1. speed/stealing, avg - (Jose Reyes SS)
2. contact, good gap hitter, great eye. - (David Wright 3b)
3. Best all around hitter contact, power, eye - (Mike Piazza 1b)
4. Dont care about contact, just power and eye - (Adam Dunn lf)<------power of positive thinking???
5. Next best hitter either like #3 or 4. - (Richard Hidalgo rf)
6. Good contact hitter and gap power. - (Mike Cameron cf)
7. Leftover/young guy/preferably a speedy guy with decent power. (Rickie Weeks 2b)
8. I usually put a great defensive catcher here who may not be the best hitter - (Vance Wilson c)

Thats my lineup in a sim im doing.

SSG Troyer · 08-26-2004, 11:47 PM

I set my order like this:

Cross the player off the list of whatever (OPS, OBP, Power, etc) once he's placed

3. Best OPS
4. Best OPS
1. Best speed/steal, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise, but if I have to do this, I'll bust my b@lls to acquire someone else who fits. I'm just not comfortable having no speed at the top.
2. Best contact, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise.
8. Best Speed.
5. Best OBP
6. Best OPS
7. Whoever's left

I like having speed hitting 8th. He will almost invariably steal when he gets on with 1 out or less. The worst that can happen is that he gets caught, P makes last out, and we start next inning at the top of the order. Indeed, it's not uncommon for me to have 8th and 1st platoon the leadoff position depending upon the opposing SP.

jbmagic · 08-27-2004, 12:14 AM

do you guys go by current stats or rating or talent rating when u do your lineup?

streetballer67 · 08-27-2004, 12:40 AM

I go by stats since I have Ability Ratings turned off.

jmm8356 · 08-27-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SSG Troyer

I set my order like this:

Cross the player off the list of whatever (OPS, OBP, Power, etc) once he's placed

3. Best OPS
4. Best OPS
1. Best speed/steal, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise, but if I have to do this, I'll bust my b@lls to acquire someone else who fits. I'm just not comfortable having no speed at the top.
2. Best contact, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise.
8. Best Speed.
5. Best OBP
6. Best OPS
7. Whoever's left

This method allows me to note yet another AI pet peeve...

The computer manager will fill its lineups in this order: 3,4,5,1,2
This can put some pretty bad (or slow, regardless of Leadoff setting) hitters at the top of the lineup, because that's all that's left. A #5 hitter will get 80 less PAs than the #1 hitter over a season, so I think it would be an improvement to fill the lineups 3,4,1,2,5.

dsvitak · 08-27-2004, 08:02 AM

It is a pet peeve of mine as well, when I see a leadoff guy hitting .212, with an OBP of .280.

What is this, the Mets?

Give me Rickey any day.

Vezna31 · 08-27-2004, 11:12 AM

I use the 1931 A's and my lineup is as follows:

1 - Max Bishop - over 100 BB's, .320 avg, high obp
2 - Mule Haas - 71 contact rating, .330 avg
3 - Jimmy Foxx - POWER, but over 100 k's
4 - Al Simmons - .400 Avg, low k's
5 - Mickey Cochrane - .460 avg, never k's
6 - Earl Webb - 82 contact rating, .385 avg, RBI specialist
7 - Luke Appling - 58 contact, 4 stolen base rating, .275 avg
8 - Odell Hale - 49 contact, .250 hitter
9 - Pitcher

It works. I've started out my second season 19-1.

08-26-2004, 02:17 PM	#28
NYM Fan 31 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Freeport, NY Posts: 347	I usually do it this way, and heres an example. 1. speed/stealing, avg - (Jose Reyes SS) 2. contact, good gap hitter, great eye. - (David Wright 3b) 3. Best all around hitter contact, power, eye - (Mike Piazza 1b) 4. Dont care about contact, just power and eye - (Adam Dunn lf) 5. Next best hitter either like #3 or 4. - (Richard Hidalgo rf) 6. Good contact hitter and gap power. - (Mike Cameron cf) 7. Leftover/young guy/preferably a speedy guy with decent power. (Rickie Weeks 2b) 8. I usually put a great defensive catcher here who may not be the best hitter - (Vance Wilson c) Thats my lineup in a sim im doing. __________________ "Pelfrey has yet to allow a hit with one out in the 5th. The 1-2 pitch.. lined into left field, that's a base hit for Jones." - Gary Cohen

08-26-2004, 11:47 PM	#30
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	I set my order like this: Cross the player off the list of whatever (OPS, OBP, Power, etc) once he's placed 3. Best OPS 4. Best OPS 1. Best speed/steal, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise, but if I have to do this, I'll bust my b@lls to acquire someone else who fits. I'm just not comfortable having no speed at the top. 2. Best contact, unless OBP is lower than 2nd. Best OBP otherwise. 8. Best Speed. 5. Best OBP 6. Best OPS 7. Whoever's left I like having speed hitting 8th. He will almost invariably steal when he gets on with 1 out or less. The worst that can happen is that he gets caught, P makes last out, and we start next inning at the top of the order. Indeed, it's not uncommon for me to have 8th and 1st platoon the leadoff position depending upon the opposing SP. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

08-27-2004, 12:40 AM	#32
streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	I go by stats since I have Ability Ratings turned off. __________________ Visit Here!!!

08-21-2004, 04:12 AM	#21
Todorojoz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 40	my lineup goes like this 1. good base hitter with speed 2. similar to #1 but not as good at hitting and or speed 3. Best guy at getting a hit 4. Best HR hitter unless he is in the #3 spot then 5-9 I just put in order of most power to least power. Simple as that.

08-27-2004, 12:14 AM	#31
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	do you guys go by current stats or rating or talent rating when u do your lineup?

08-27-2004, 08:02 AM	#34
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,450	It is a pet peeve of mine as well, when I see a leadoff guy hitting .212, with an OBP of .280. What is this, the Mets? Give me Rickey any day.

08-27-2004, 11:12 AM	#35
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,990	I use the 1931 A's and my lineup is as follows: 1 - Max Bishop - over 100 BB's, .320 avg, high obp 2 - Mule Haas - 71 contact rating, .330 avg 3 - Jimmy Foxx - POWER, but over 100 k's 4 - Al Simmons - .400 Avg, low k's 5 - Mickey Cochrane - .460 avg, never k's 6 - Earl Webb - 82 contact rating, .385 avg, RBI specialist 7 - Luke Appling - 58 contact, 4 stolen base rating, .275 avg 8 - Odell Hale - 49 contact, .250 hitter 9 - Pitcher It works. I've started out my second season 19-1.