End of Season Wackiness

jrzalman · 08-20-2004, 05:57 PM

After the 162th game, the standings for my league looked like this:

Division A
Orange Walk 81-81
Belize City 81-81
3 Teams worse than that

Division B
Hancock 101-61
Lake Linden 82-80
4 Teams worse than that

Division C
Redondo Beach 83-79
Manhattan Beach 83-79
El Segundo 82-80
2 Teams worse than that

Obviously, Orange Walk and Belize City should play a one game playoff for the Division A title and they did. Here's the thing, the game set up a one game playoff between my team, Redondo Beach, and Manhattan Beach. That's not supposed to happen right? We are both playoff teams and there shouldn't be a one game playoff just to decide who's the division winner and who's the wild card.

Thinking I'm missing something, I use my third best starter (it was his turn in the rotation) in the one game playoff to do my best to win the game, which I do, leaving the standings looking like this:

Division A
Orange Walk 82-81
Belize City 81-82

Division B
Hancock 101-61
Lake Linden 82-80

Division C
Redondo Beach 84-79
Manhattan Beach 83-80
El Segundo 82-80

The game structures the playoffs as: Orange Walk v Hancock and Redondo Beach v Manhattan Beach. This isn't right either. The wild card team should not play a team in the same division and the wild card team should play the team with the best record (Hancock). Neither of these things happened.

The final insult: During the my one game playoff that should have never happened, my starting pitcher is hurt for 5 weeks, meaning I lost him for the whole playoffs. Ouch.

Let's just say that after investing myself in this season, I was dissappointed that the game mishandled the end so badly.

Karros270 · 08-20-2004, 06:14 PM

All I know is that Redondo team better beat up on those Starbuck drinking, Skecher wearing, BMW driving snobs from Manhattan Beach.

Incidentally, are you from the South Bay or did you just grab those city names from somewhere?

jrzalman · 08-20-2004, 06:27 PM

Indeed I am from the South Bay. The other two teams in that division are Hermosa Beach and Palos Verdes.

IatricSB · 08-20-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jrzalman

162th game

jmm8356 · 08-20-2004, 06:41 PM

Considering some recent threads in the bugs forum, I think you should count yourself lucky that you got any one-game playoffs between the first place clubs.

fwembt · 08-20-2004, 07:30 PM

there should have been that one game playoff (as I understand things) to determine the wild card and division winner. Where the game erred would have been in putting you playing each other in the playoffs rather than the other teams. Of course I could be completely wrong... I also started a league using teams from my area (northern Ohio) and it does make it seem a ton more engrossing.

randomlefty10 · 08-20-2004, 08:51 PM

The one game playoffs are correct. As for the playoff seeding of wild card not in same division, I was under the impression that it's always been that way in the game. That is, it was never coded to consider what division the teams were in because of the potential problems it could cause in some custom setups.

jmm8356 · 08-20-2004, 09:37 PM

Actually, the original poster is correct. They don't play a one-game playoff (in R/L) when both teams will make the postseason anyway. From MLB.com:

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Example of Scenario #1: The Oakland Athletics and Seattle Mariners end the championship season tied for the AL West Division Championship. Both Clubs have a higher winning percentage than the Boston Red Sox. Through games of September 23, the Mariners have the higher winning percentage in head-to-head competition (9-7, .563) and would be declared the Division Champion. Oakland would be the Wild Card.

Le Grande Orange · 08-20-2004, 11:34 PM

^^^ He has it right. If two clubs are simultaneously tied for both the division title and the wildcard spot, there is no playoff game. The team with the better record in head-to-head competition is awarded the division pennant while the other club is considered the wildcard. (This actually happened in the NL Central in 2001.)

As to the matchups in the first round, OOTP does not follow the MLB rule stating that two teams from the same division cannot meet in the Division Series. OOTP just matches the teams based on their records without regards to their division, so that's something you'll just have to live with for the time being.

08-20-2004, 06:14 PM	#2
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	All I know is that Redondo team better beat up on those Starbuck drinking, Skecher wearing, BMW driving snobs from Manhattan Beach. Incidentally, are you from the South Bay or did you just grab those city names from somewhere? __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

08-20-2004, 06:41 PM	#5
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	Considering some recent threads in the bugs forum, I think you should count yourself lucky that you got any one-game playoffs between the first place clubs. __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

08-20-2004, 05:57 PM	#1
jrzalman Bat Boy Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 17	End of Season Wackiness After the 162th game, the standings for my league looked like this: Division A Orange Walk 81-81 Belize City 81-81 3 Teams worse than that Division B Hancock 101-61 Lake Linden 82-80 4 Teams worse than that Division C Redondo Beach 83-79 Manhattan Beach 83-79 El Segundo 82-80 2 Teams worse than that Obviously, Orange Walk and Belize City should play a one game playoff for the Division A title and they did. Here's the thing, the game set up a one game playoff between my team, Redondo Beach, and Manhattan Beach. That's not supposed to happen right? We are both playoff teams and there shouldn't be a one game playoff just to decide who's the division winner and who's the wild card. Thinking I'm missing something, I use my third best starter (it was his turn in the rotation) in the one game playoff to do my best to win the game, which I do, leaving the standings looking like this: Division A Orange Walk 82-81 Belize City 81-82 Division B Hancock 101-61 Lake Linden 82-80 Division C Redondo Beach 84-79 Manhattan Beach 83-80 El Segundo 82-80 The game structures the playoffs as: Orange Walk v Hancock and Redondo Beach v Manhattan Beach. This isn't right either. The wild card team should not play a team in the same division and the wild card team should play the team with the best record (Hancock). Neither of these things happened. The final insult: During the my one game playoff that should have never happened, my starting pitcher is hurt for 5 weeks, meaning I lost him for the whole playoffs. Ouch. Let's just say that after investing myself in this season, I was dissappointed that the game mishandled the end so badly.

08-20-2004, 06:27 PM	#3
jrzalman Bat Boy Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 17	Indeed I am from the South Bay. The other two teams in that division are Hermosa Beach and Palos Verdes.

08-20-2004, 07:30 PM	#6
fwembt Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hartville, OH Posts: 26	there should have been that one game playoff (as I understand things) to determine the wild card and division winner. Where the game erred would have been in putting you playing each other in the playoffs rather than the other teams. Of course I could be completely wrong... I also started a league using teams from my area (northern Ohio) and it does make it seem a ton more engrossing.

08-20-2004, 08:51 PM	#7
randomlefty10 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,438	The one game playoffs are correct. As for the playoff seeding of wild card not in same division, I was under the impression that it's always been that way in the game. That is, it was never coded to consider what division the teams were in because of the potential problems it could cause in some custom setups.

08-20-2004, 11:34 PM	#9
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	^^^ He has it right. If two clubs are simultaneously tied for both the division title and the wildcard spot, there is no playoff game. The team with the better record in head-to-head competition is awarded the division pennant while the other club is considered the wildcard. (This actually happened in the NL Central in 2001.) As to the matchups in the first round, OOTP does not follow the MLB rule stating that two teams from the same division cannot meet in the Division Series. OOTP just matches the teams based on their records without regards to their division, so that's something you'll just have to live with for the time being.