Insane contract...and it's not how high it went!

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 03:17 PM

Has anyone ever seen this?

I run a league and sometimes like to create some foreign players to make available for free agency. This season I made a fireballing Russian pitcher who was only 23, but already was 75/54/46 or something with 10/9/8 talents. The bidding wars ensue...

COL (4th place hovering just under .500 last season) offers all the way to 18.3M x 6

NYM (2nd place, but 10 games under .500 last season) offers ~16M x 5
Lots of other offers in the 10-15M range. This goes on until day 26 when he signs with:

Cincinnati, last year's NL Wild Card for 8M x 4!!!!
His play for winner is doesn't care, normal loyalty etc...

So the question is, why would a player carry on a bidding war for 26 days (Cin did not offer this deal on day 25) only to sign for half the amount of his max offer and less years?

streetballer67 · 08-11-2004, 03:21 PM

Strange, maybe deep down he really does want to play for a winner

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 03:27 PM

Just makes me wonder how much that really matters? If I were a 23 yr old and everyone was offering me 15M+, why would I sign with a team for 1/2 the money and less yrs, just because they made the playoffs once (CIN has one playoff appearance in UBL history (6 seasons).

Edit: The thing that bugs me is that he had about 10-15 offers, and more than half were over 10M...and he took one of the cheapest ones out there...

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 03:53 PM

Just to add more fuel to the fire, the MIN owner told the league he offered over 16M....and he just won the WS and has won the Central 3/6 seasons.

Spoon86 · 08-11-2004, 04:01 PM

Was that the shortest offer? Young players in this game seem to hate very long-term deals, particularly if they're more than 4 years.

I guess the idea is that they "think" they can develop more and want to be eligible for FA again soon to take advantage of that.

I don't think it worked very well in this case, though.

dave724 · 08-11-2004, 04:14 PM

perhaps he is a huge Reds fan?

phenom · 08-11-2004, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by streetballer67

Strange, maybe deep down he really does want to play for a winner

sounds like a bug. Please report it in the proper location.

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spoon86

Was that the shortest offer? Young players in this game seem to hate very long-term deals, particularly if they're more than 4 years.

I guess the idea is that they "think" they can develop more and want to be eligible for FA again soon to take advantage of that.

I don't think it worked very well in this case, though.

Thanks for the suggestion. Usually you can override their fear of long years with insane $$$ so I checked some of the offers. MIN (reigning WS champs) offered 16.3M x 2. After day 21, when you click on the offers, it says he favors COL. Then CIN bids 8M x 4 and gets him.

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 04:37 PM

I don't know why this is, but I've run some brief testing and it seems that whatever offer comes in newest is his favorite, no matter how much for. CIN offer came in last night. So I tested it and took PIT and offered 19M x 4, which then became his favorite. Ran a day, PIT was leading. I then offered with HOU 8.2M x 4...guess who was leading after that day...Houston.

WTF is this? Anyone who coded this game feel like looking into this as it appears to be a bizzug?

SoxWin · 08-11-2004, 04:56 PM

Somethings ****ed.

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 05:14 PM

hahahaha..more fuel. FLA had offered him 24M x 8!! Stupid human GMs. All those offers and he took 8M x 4 because it came in last.

Dan Theman · 08-11-2004, 05:29 PM

Hmm - I'll have to check that at home to see if it can be duplicated. Mike, do you have the responses that the player gave? (eg - too many years, not enough money, etc.). I'm curious about this, and it should be easy enough to test.

Another Mike D · 08-11-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Theman

Hmm - I'll have to check that at home to see if it can be duplicated. Mike, do you have the responses that the player gave? (eg - too many years, not enough money, etc.). I'm curious about this, and it should be easy enough to test.

Hmm...I don't have that info in front of me. One GM was looking back over the signings and remembered offering more to somebody (Johan Santana or somebody) and was leading for days, only to sign elsewhere for cheaper.

streetballer67 · 08-11-2004, 09:30 PM

This is some disturbing news...

Hopefully this doesn't occur all the time and if it does it needs to be fixed!

Le Grande Orange · 08-11-2004, 10:00 PM

Well, there is a certain logic to it. After all, in a bidding war situation presumably each subsequent offer is going to be better than the one before, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a bidding war.

I guess where things get messed up is when a team throws in an unexpected low-ball offer instead of something better than what was just previously offered to the player.

SoxWin · 08-11-2004, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Well, there is a certain logic to it. After all, in a bidding war situation presumably each subsequent offer is going to be better than the one before, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a bidding war.

I guess where things get messed up is when a team throws in an unexpected low-ball offer instead of something better than what was just previously offered to the player.

There's no logic to taking the latest offer. None.

I see your point that in a bidding war, yes, offers would be going up. Of course, that only happens if teams know everyone else's offers and top them. In real life I can see it as agents no doubt will feed offer info among teams to get their guy the best deal. In OOTP, I don't see that happening, we don't have any agents.

Teams shouldn't be able to throw a low ball offer in there near the end and scoop the guy up. The AI should be smarter then that........

No way the AI should accept the most recent offer over clearly better offers. We're not talking a couple hundred K here.

jazzrack · 08-11-2004, 10:08 PM

is anybody in your league using a different version of the game?

Leahcim · 08-11-2004, 10:40 PM

Russian, Red Menace, Big Red Machine. Makes sense to me.

lynchjm24 · 08-11-2004, 10:43 PM

His nickname is the 'Red Scare'. Makes sense to me. Of course, I'm the Reds owner...

Dagrims · 08-11-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Another Mike D

Russian pitcher...

So the question is, why would a player carry on a bidding war for 26 days (Cin did not offer this deal on day 25) only to sign for half the amount of his max offer and less years?

Very simple answer. Free drinks for life at the Palm Court:

http://www.cinweekly.com/content/200...inks_vodka.asp

08-11-2004, 03:17 PM	#1
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	Insane contract...and it's not how high it went! Has anyone ever seen this? I run a league and sometimes like to create some foreign players to make available for free agency. This season I made a fireballing Russian pitcher who was only 23, but already was 75/54/46 or something with 10/9/8 talents. The bidding wars ensue... COL (4th place hovering just under .500 last season) offers all the way to 18.3M x 6 NYM (2nd place, but 10 games under .500 last season) offers ~16M x 5 Lots of other offers in the 10-15M range. This goes on until day 26 when he signs with: Cincinnati, last year's NL Wild Card for 8M x 4!!!! His play for winner is doesn't care, normal loyalty etc... So the question is, why would a player carry on a bidding war for 26 days (Cin did not offer this deal on day 25) only to sign for half the amount of his max offer and less years? __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

08-11-2004, 03:21 PM	#2
streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	Strange, maybe deep down he really does want to play for a winner __________________ Visit Here!!!

08-11-2004, 03:27 PM	#3
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	Just makes me wonder how much that really matters? If I were a 23 yr old and everyone was offering me 15M+, why would I sign with a team for 1/2 the money and less yrs, just because they made the playoffs once (CIN has one playoff appearance in UBL history (6 seasons). Edit: The thing that bugs me is that he had about 10-15 offers, and more than half were over 10M...and he took one of the cheapest ones out there... __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League Last edited by Another Mike D; 08-11-2004 at 03:31 PM.

08-11-2004, 03:53 PM	#4
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	Just to add more fuel to the fire, the MIN owner told the league he offered over 16M....and he just won the WS and has won the Central 3/6 seasons. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

08-11-2004, 04:14 PM	#6
dave724 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 48	perhaps he is a huge Reds fan? __________________ David Pereira Former Commissioner of the Long standing SSBL

08-11-2004, 04:01 PM	#5
Spoon86 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LI, NY Posts: 12	Was that the shortest offer? Young players in this game seem to hate very long-term deals, particularly if they're more than 4 years. I guess the idea is that they "think" they can develop more and want to be eligible for FA again soon to take advantage of that. I don't think it worked very well in this case, though.

08-11-2004, 04:37 PM	#9
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	I don't know why this is, but I've run some brief testing and it seems that whatever offer comes in newest is his favorite, no matter how much for. CIN offer came in last night. So I tested it and took PIT and offered 19M x 4, which then became his favorite. Ran a day, PIT was leading. I then offered with HOU 8.2M x 4...guess who was leading after that day...Houston. WTF is this? Anyone who coded this game feel like looking into this as it appears to be a bizzug? __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

08-11-2004, 04:56 PM	#10
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Somethings ****ed.

08-11-2004, 05:14 PM	#11
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	hahahaha..more fuel. FLA had offered him 24M x 8!! Stupid human GMs. All those offers and he took 8M x 4 because it came in last. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

08-11-2004, 09:30 PM	#14
streetballer67 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 2,004	This is some disturbing news... Hopefully this doesn't occur all the time and if it does it needs to be fixed! __________________ Visit Here!!!

08-11-2004, 10:00 PM	#15
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Well, there is a certain logic to it. After all, in a bidding war situation presumably each subsequent offer is going to be better than the one before, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a bidding war. I guess where things get messed up is when a team throws in an unexpected low-ball offer instead of something better than what was just previously offered to the player.

08-11-2004, 10:08 PM	#17
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	is anybody in your league using a different version of the game? __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

08-11-2004, 10:40 PM	#18
Leahcim Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Posts: 32	Russian, Red Menace, Big Red Machine. Makes sense to me.

08-11-2004, 10:43 PM	#19
lynchjm24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hartford Posts: 978 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	His nickname is the 'Red Scare'. Makes sense to me. Of course, I'm the Reds owner...