Have you found any problems with OOP5->OOTP6 Conversions for Historical Leagues?

[Randall]

As the commish of a league about to do the switchover from OOTP5 -> OOTP6 I am curious what issues you've found....

The two I have heard of are:

It is best to switch after Spring Training and before opening day. I don't know why this is, but supposedly that came from Andreas or Marcus, so I'm following it.

and

>After EXTENSIVE (and i mean that in the largest possible sounding way),
>SBL and Classic will NOT be switching to version 6 at any time soon. I
>have played 5 seperate league with the league files and roughly 20-25
>season per league and everything works GREAT, except for one small
>detail...........when the rookies are added to the league, they take
>MASSIVE hits. A very select few will take bumps of improvemtn, but Nolan
>Ryan for example was drafted and in 75-80% of the time he was a 1.5-2.5
>star MR and we all know this is not even CLOSE (and that is just one
>example). So until they fix this problem in historical leagues
>(hopefully in this highly anticipated update), we will continue to run
>on version 5 unless you guys are ok with drafts from here on out (until
>its fixed) that are very weak in talent lol



I am curious if anybody else has noticed this, or any other problems with switching to OOTP6 from an OOTP5 historical league???

[dougaiton]

I understand the general point, but the specific example may be a bit of confusion.

Ryan's just a poster boy for the problems of importing. If you're using Lahman, you're importing a guy who had a 15.00 ERA in 3 innings rookie year, thus instantly made 'bad'. Plus, he'll have a poor duration, something he is unlikely to improve in the game. If you import him from OOTP5 with Lahman, you get a 1 star MR, with a very low Control talent.

[Jeremy Weimer]

I dunno if it's just my bad luck or what but all 3 leagues I'm in when they converted to OOTP 6 from 5 my team went from a top contender in the division to like the worst or one of the worst teams in the league. For some reason all of my pitchers took big hits in talent ratings when the conversion happened. A main example was SP Harry Coveleski for my Pittsburgh Pirates. He was either a 4.5 or 5 star pitcher for the past 2 seasons. He had a record of 30-6 in 1908 with a 1.43 ERA and 108 K's. In 1909 he had a record of 29-10 with a 1.38 ERA and 118 K's. Then for the 1910 season we switched to OOTP 6 and his numbers were a record of 16-16 with a 3.61 ERA and 122 K's.

I know a lot of you will read that and say "Yeah, it happens. He probably had an off year." but that was just one example from my team. My entire team went down the ****ter in the 1910 season and finished with a record of 61-93, good enough for dead last in the entire league. I was 90-64 in 1908, 89-65 in 1909 and go to 61-93 in 1910. In the last season no one team in the NL or the league period added enough to make my team drop from a top NL contender to the worst team in the league. I also didn't lose any of my top players. So I'm convinced that I was basically screwed from the conversion of OOTP5 to 6. Almost every one of my players lost talent after the conversion.

[Cyclone792]

The only example I can point to are my Tigers in Ball Alive...

1922: 97-57, .630
1923: 86-68, .558

-----Converted to OOTP6-----

1924: 95-59, .617
1925: 63-42, .600 (season still ongoing)

One reason my team may work as a decent example is that my active roster during those four seasons has remained the same throughout, a couple minor changes here and there, but nothing major at all. I was a top notch offensive club with average pitching four seasons ago in v5 and I'm still a top notch offensive club (with the same hitters mostly) with above average pitching (that's where my minor changes have been) now using v6. Brian, our co-commish, does hand edit incoming rookies to ensure cases like Nolan Ryan do not occur, but for the players already in our league during the conversion nothing drastic seemed to occur. One thing that did occur after the conversion was our 1924 season saw a fluky boost in offense that was pretty much equal for everyone, but a quick fix to I believe the league totals, and our 1925 season is now back to a normal level for the time period.

My take? Convert to OOTP6 and, if necessary, make slight adjustments.

[halofan26]

that is the email i sent out LOL so yes i had this problem

[uktaurusbulba]

Do you think this just occurred with a specific player(s). Or has this problem persisted with most of the players?

[halofan26]

this happened with numerous players to include some rather large increases for players that are not known for any ML status. Now granted this is only my findings, and you may have different results with BAB but i played roughly 80-90 seasons (maybe 100) in 5 seperate conversions (5 leagues) as solo leagues and i used the the computer for half of this and i also controlled each team for the other half.....now i didnt watch each team like a hawk each season and this may provide different results as well. But i know for a fact that (example) Nolan Ryan (when imported into version 6) was drafted as a 7th round pick as a MR and 1 star for that matter but when using 5, he was imported as a 5 star SP, and this is my reasoning for holding off right now, but like i said, you may get different results

[Randall]

Another message I just recieved about it:



"jeff im not sure if ur in a historic league with v6 but if your not i would advise you to ask someone who is. my commish in another league talked to andreas raht and he said that in historic leagues that there is a bug and guys are worse talented by far than what they should be. i know ur away now but i would check into it"

[Jeremy Weimer]

So I'm not the only one. At least I know now it wasn't just me screwing up or something.

[Randall]

Still hoping for more feedback on this "issue" sicne we're set to convert in 24 hours...

[sporr]

Originally Posted by Randall

Another message I just recieved about it:



"jeff im not sure if ur in a historic league with v6 but if your not i would advise you to ask someone who is. my commish in another league talked to andreas raht and he said that in historic leagues that there is a bug and guys are worse talented by far than what they should be. i know ur away now but i would check into it"

If this is true, I've never heard it and I'm on the beta team.

[halofan26]

i dont know what the story is actually but it is a concern of mine and maybe im reading into to much ya know, but i have doens tons of work on my own side just making sure it would be a smooth transition for me as i would LOVE to have all 9 of my league on one version, but with what i have found and from what others have found (apparently) im a little hesitant