Winslow's Agent Rejects Browns' Offer

Bobbuttons · 07-31-2004, 02:38 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1849378

Winslow's agent rejected a contract offer -- potentially worth at least $40 million -- from the Cleveland Browns on Friday that would make him the highest-paid tight end in NFL history.

Can someone tell me why somebody who has never taken an NFL snap, let alone caught a pass, deserves to even be offered a contract to make him the highest paid player at his position? This, to me, is the worst thing about sports (football and basketball in particular). When those that get drafted get big ass guaranteed contracts without having to prove they can play the pro game.

BadluckinOOTP · 07-31-2004, 02:46 AM

Dude! He's a warrior out on the field. He deserves all the money he gets.

Oh I forgot he's a solider out there too.

disposableheros · 07-31-2004, 02:53 AM

c'mon, more than the proven gonzo? get a grip NFL

randomlefty10 · 07-31-2004, 02:57 AM

Same thing with those "amateurs" in baseball's draft, 'cept it's just their obscene signing bonuses.

mh2365 · 07-31-2004, 09:08 AM

Hasn't played a play yet and already the biggest punk in the NFL

mlyons · 07-31-2004, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

When those that get drafted get big ass guaranteed contracts without having to prove they can play the pro game.

Just a tiny little quibble here. NFL contracts are not guaranteed, which essentially makes everything other than the signing bonus fairly meaningless. I certainly agree it's pretty idiotic of him not to take it, though. If I were Winslow, I'd simply say, "Give me just a little bit more than Shockey's getting, and I'll be happy."

neohemp · 07-31-2004, 10:15 AM

I thought NFL contracts WERE guaranteed, that's why some guys can refuse to play and still get paid. I knew in basketball they weren't guaranteed, but I always thought NFL ones were

mlyons · 07-31-2004, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by neohemp

I thought NFL contracts WERE guaranteed, that's why some guys can refuse to play and still get paid. I knew in basketball they weren't guaranteed, but I always thought NFL ones were

Nope, not guaranteed. That's why you'll see so many veterans get cut. Since most contracts are structured to have escalating payments each year, by the last couple years of a contract lots of players are scheduled to get paid a lot more than they're worth, so they get cut (see Kerry Collins).

Akrobat · 07-31-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Hasn't played a play yet and already the biggest punk in the NFL

I've hated him ever since that "warrior" comment, because the guy thinks he's larger than life. I can't wait until some linebacker pops him in the jaw.

Bohunk · 07-31-2004, 12:57 PM

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I've hated him ever since that "warrior" comment, because the guy thinks he's larger than life. I can't wait until some linebacker pops him in the jaw.

Namely Joey Porter!

And1pg2 · 07-31-2004, 01:26 PM

Porter will enilate him if he gets the chance.

keenejee · 07-31-2004, 02:06 PM

Porter who?

How about a real linebacker like ray lewis?

Bohunk · 07-31-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keenejee

Porter who?

How about a real linebacker like ray lewis?

twins15 · 07-31-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by keenejee

Porter who?

How about a real linebacker like ray lewis?

Yeah he's good at killing people.

cinredsfan2000 · 07-31-2004, 02:39 PM

Nah i doubt lewis would he and winslow are former 'canes

Bobbuttons · 07-31-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Just a tiny little quibble here. NFL contracts are not guaranteed, which essentially makes everything other than the signing bonus fairly meaningless. I certainly agree it's pretty idiotic of him not to take it, though. If I were Winslow, I'd simply say, "Give me just a little bit more than Shockey's getting, and I'll be happy."

My bad.

Akrobat · 07-31-2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by twins15

Yeah he's good at killing people.

KurtBevacqua · 07-31-2004, 09:19 PM

The Redskins took a pass on Winslow because they knew his agent was likely to do this. The Browns knew he was going to be hard to sign, yet they went so far as trade an extra 2nd round pick to get him. I think that pretty well sums up the skills of the Browns' front office.

jte87 · 08-02-2004, 12:38 AM

His agent is the same guy who has Julian Peterson turning down a 15M signing bonus and a contract that would make Ray Lewis the only higher paid linebacker in the league. I'm not sure I can figure out how this guy is doing what is in the best interest of his clients.

keenejee · 08-02-2004, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by twins15

Yeah he's good at killing people.

Was there a conviction? I don't think so....isn't that slander or something?

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KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	The Redskins took a pass on Winslow because they knew his agent was likely to do this. The Browns knew he was going to be hard to sign, yet they went so far as trade an extra 2nd round pick to get him. I think that pretty well sums up the skills of the Browns' front office. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Hasn't played a play yet and already the biggest punk in the NFL

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neohemp All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 551	I thought NFL contracts WERE guaranteed, that's why some guys can refuse to play and still get paid. I knew in basketball they weren't guaranteed, but I always thought NFL ones were

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And1pg2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 979	Porter will enilate him if he gets the chance.

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keenejee Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 460	Porter who? How about a real linebacker like ray lewis?

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cinredsfan2000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Glens Falls N.Y. Posts: 739	Nah i doubt lewis would he and winslow are former 'canes

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jte87 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 305	His agent is the same guy who has Julian Peterson turning down a 15M signing bonus and a contract that would make Ray Lewis the only higher paid linebacker in the league. I'm not sure I can figure out how this guy is doing what is in the best interest of his clients.