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Old 07-07-2004, 06:17 PM   #41
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I am sorry to hear that Ankit, certainly not the response I thought...

I can understand your frustration, but realize that Markus and Steve get emails from thousands a week, whilst Shaun probably gets a hundred or so...like MArkus did back in OOTP2

Maybe an email to Andreas? or Ping or PM Steve on the boards? Steve usually answers those.

As for the DB the PB, HB and WP not really a big thing...I always check rookies out...sometimes add the new positions so utility guys can stick around longer...and just for catchers just divide their games by 162 then multiply that by passed balls.

Now that I think about it...a guy like Yogi Berra, if he is a catcher with 12 PB and he moves to left field then you change him back to catcher by clicking position....after you pass DH...C defaults to 3...odd

Maybe it wouldn't even work if you could since OOTP would default it to 3 again?
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Old 07-28-2004, 12:19 AM   #42
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bumping this thread...

Can Ankit or someone else post an example of how the players' stats were normalized?

In the example top 10 lists provided with Ankit's Normalized DB, Dolly Gray is the ERA and WHIP leader even though he was just a little above average in real life (108 ERA+ for his career, only 1 top-10 finish in WHIP and 2 top-10 finishes in ERA). I've read that deadball pitchers are too dominant but I'm shocked to see somebody with a real-life 4.18 ERA end up with a 2.53 normalized ERA.
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Old 07-28-2004, 12:21 PM   #43
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The top 15 list in the readme is inaccurate for pitchers. Dolly Gray is erroneously up there. Checking the pitching.csv file, I found that his ERA for each normalized season was consistently over 3.3, usually in the 4.00 to 6.00 range. Here is the newly redone leaderboards:

<pre>Hitters Leaderboard after Normalization (3100 AB):
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Name BA Name H
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Ty Cobb 0.366 Pete Rose 4283
Joe Jackson 0.357 Ty Cobb 4127
Rogers Hornsby 0.351 Hank Aaron 3795
Lefty O'Doul 0.345 Stan Musial 3611
Ted Williams 0.344 Tris Speaker 3448
Tris Speaker 0.343 C. Yastrzemski 3441
Dan Brouthers 0.343 Honus Wagner 3351
Ed Delahanty 0.341 Paul Molitor 3319
Billy Hamilton 0.340 Willie Mays 3301
Nap Lajoie 0.339 Eddie Collins 3274
Tony Gwynn 0.339 Eddie Murray 3255
Babe Ruth 0.336 Nap Lajoie 3189
Bill Terry 0.336 Cal Ripken Jr. 3179
Willie Keeler 0.335 George Brett 3149
Harry Heilmann 0.335 Robin Yount 3142

Name 1B Name 2B
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Pete Rose 3105 Tris Speaker 887
Ty Cobb 2778 Pete Rose 853
Eddie Collins 2474 Ty Cobb 838
Paul Molitor 2340 Nap Lajoie 818
Rod Carew 2337 Stan Musial 805
Tony Gwynn 2321 Honus Wagner 799
Willie Keeler 2314 C. Yastrzemski 747
Wade Boggs 2231 Hank Aaron 735
Paul Waner 2199 George Brett 700
Hank Aaron 2182 Paul Molitor 622
Lou Brock 2156 Cap Anson 621
Tris Speaker 2155 Frank Robinson 618
C. Yastrzemski 2153 Cal Ripken Jr. 618
R. Henderson 2146 Robin Yount 613
Robin Yount 2136 Willie Mays 610

Name 3B Name HR
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Stan Musial 176 Babe Ruth 855
R. Clemente 166 Hank Aaron 780
Sam Crawford 164 Willie Mays 672
Ty Cobb 161 Barry Bonds 621
Willie Wilson 145 Jimmie Foxx 604
Enos Slaughter 141 Frank Robinson 604
Lou Brock 141 Reggie Jackson 593
Willie Mays 140 Mel Ott 588
George Brett 137 Mark McGwire 588
Honus Wagner 137 H. Killebrew 587
Willie Davis 137 Lou Gehrig 577
Pete Rose 135 Mike Schmidt 568
Paul Waner 129 Ted Williams 549
Brett Butler 128 Mickey Mantle 541
Vada Pinson 127 Willie McCovey 537

Name BB Name K
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R. Henderson 2179 Reggie Jackson 2571
Babe Ruth 2031 Willie Stargell 1939
Ted Williams 2013 A. Galarraga 1921
Barry Bonds 1922 Jose Canseco 1911
Joe Morgan 1854 Mike Schmidt 1889
C. Yastrzemski 1845 Babe Ruth 1881
Mickey Mantle 1733 Tony Perez 1873
Mel Ott 1694 Dave Kingman 1801
Eddie Yost 1602 Mickey Mantle 1796
Darrell Evans 1597 Fred McGriff 1795
Stan Musial 1591 Jimmie Foxx 1787
Pete Rose 1566 Sammy Sosa 1787
H. Killebrew 1536 Bobby Bonds 1773
Lou Gehrig 1505 Dale Murphy 1747
Mike Schmidt 1502 Lou Brock 1732

Name SLG Name OBP
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Babe Ruth 0.736 Ted Williams 0.484
Ted Williams 0.649 Babe Ruth 0.477
Lou Gehrig 0.644 John McGraw 0.464
Jimmie Foxx 0.627 Billy Hamilton 0.457
Hank Greenberg 0.622 Lou Gehrig 0.448
Manny Ramirez 0.603 Eddie Collins 0.447
Rogers Hornsby 0.602 Ty Cobb 0.446
Barry Bonds 0.599 Frank Thomas 0.445
Mark McGwire 0.594 Tris Speaker 0.442
Joe DiMaggio 0.594 Rogers Hornsby 0.441
Vlad Guerrero 0.590 Joe Jackson 0.438
Jim Thome 0.583 Edgar Martinez 0.437
Alex Rodriguez 0.583 Barry Bonds 0.436
Larry Walker 0.580 Roy Thomas 0.432
Mike Piazza 0.579 Jimmie Foxx 0.430

Name AB/HR Name OPS
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Babe Ruth 9.4 Babe Ruth 1.213
Mark McGwire 10.4 Ted Williams 1.133
Jimmie Foxx 13.2 Lou Gehrig 1.092
Jim Thome 13.2 Jimmie Foxx 1.057
Barry Bonds 13.4 Rogers Hornsby 1.043
H. Killebrew 13.4 Hank Greenberg 1.037
Ralph Kiner 13.5 Barry Bonds 1.035
Lou Gehrig 13.8 Manny Ramirez 1.025
Sammy Sosa 13.8 Frank Thomas 1.017
Ted Williams 14.0 Jim Thome 1.011
Hank Greenberg 14.1 Joe Jackson 1.009
Manny Ramirez 14.2 Ty Cobb 1.008
Dave Kingman 14.4 Mark McGwire 1.000
Alex Rodriguez 14.5 Dan Brouthers 0.998
Mike Piazza 14.6 Stan Musial 0.997

Name TB Name XBH
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Hank Aaron 7066 Hank Aaron 1613
Ty Cobb 6337 Stan Musial 1485
Stan Musial 6280 Babe Ruth 1432
Willie Mays 6207 Willie Mays 1422
Pete Rose 5976 Ty Cobb 1349
Babe Ruth 5919 Frank Robinson 1294
C. Yastrzemski 5752 Tris Speaker 1293
Frank Robinson 5534 C. Yastrzemski 1288
Eddie Murray 5460 Honus Wagner 1254
Tris Speaker 5434 Barry Bonds 1215
Honus Wagner 5378 Lou Gehrig 1210
Dave Winfield 5254 Ted Williams 1186
Cal Ripken Jr. 5202 Pete Rose 1178
Mel Ott 5132 George Brett 1172
George Brett 5128 Reggie Jackson 1153


Pitchers Leaderboard after Normalization (1000 IP):
================================================== =
Name BB Name BB/9
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Nolan Ryan 2635 Tommy Bond 1.19
Early Wynn 1703 Deacon Phillipe 1.29
Steve Carlton 1692 Babe Adams 1.29
Bobo Newsom 1646 Jim Whitney 1.36
Phil Niekro 1607 Dan Quisenberry 1.39
Charlie Hough 1585 George Bradley 1.39
Red Ruffing 1508 Bob Tewksbury 1.45
Bump Hadley 1408 Cy Young 1.48
Earl Whitehill 1391 Pud Galvin 1.49
Bobby Witt 1375 Fred Goldsmith 1.49
Sam Jones 1374 Addie Joss 1.51
Mike Torrez 1344 Nick Altrock 1.57
Jack Morris 1338 Jesse Tannehill 1.58
Tom Seaver 1334 Red Lucas 1.59
Don Sutton 1306 Pete Alexander 1.62

Name K Name K/9
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Nolan Ryan 5417 Randy Johnson 10.30
Walter Johnson 4270 Rube Waddell 10.19
Steve Carlton 3843 Pedro Martinez 9.84
Roger Clemens 3836 Orval Overall 9.68
Bert Blyleven 3575 Nolan Ryan 9.53
Cy Young 3571 Ed Walsh 9.48
Don Sutton 3525 Sandy Koufax 9.47
Tom Seaver 3488 Hideo Nomo 9.25
C. Mathewson 3399 Smokey Joe Wood 9.12
Eddie Plank 3290 Dazzy Vance 8.98
Randy Johnson 3193 Chief Bender 8.91
Gaylord Perry 3150 Sam McDowell 8.89
Lefty Grove 3057 Curt Schilling 8.69
Phil Niekro 3010 Lee Smith 8.68
Rube Wadedell 2804 J. R. Richard 8.67

Name BAOpp Name H/9
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Nolan Ryan 0.196 Nolan Ryan 6.59
Pedro Martinez 0.198 Pedro Martinez 6.69
Sandy Koufax 0.200 Sandy Koufax 6.76
J. R. Richard 0.201 J. R. Richard 6.79
Sid Fernandez 0.201 Sid Fernandez 6.81
Randy Johnson 0.202 Randy Johnson 6.83
Sam McDowell 0.207 A. Messersmith 7.03
Hoyt Wilhelm 0.207 Hoyt Wilhelm 7.05
A. Messersmith 0.207 Sam McDowell 7.05
Mario Soto 0.210 Bob Turley 7.20
Bob Turley 0.211 Mario Soto 7.20
Jesse Orosco 0.211 Jesse Orosco 7.21
Rich Gossage 0.211 Rich Gossage 7.22
Smokey Joe Wood 0.212 George Ruth 7.26
George Ruth 0.212 Smokey Joe Wood 7.27

Name ERA Name WHIP
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Ed Walsh 2.36 Addie Joss 9.01
Addie Joss 2.44 Pedro Martinez 9.10
Smokey Joe Wood 2.44 Ed Walsh 9.34
Mordecai Brown 2.47 Mordecai Brown 9.76
Jack Pfiester 2.52 C. Mathewson 9.76
Walter Johnson 2.56 Walter Johnson 9.76
Hoyt Wilhelm 2.58 Babe Adams 9.81
Pedro Martinez 2.62 Curt Schilling 9.87
C. Mathewson 2.66 Smokey Joe Wood 9.88
Rube Waddell 2.71 Reb Russell 9.93
Dan Quisenberry 2.74 Jack Pfiester 9.94
John Franco 2.75 Cy Young 9.95
Rich Gossage 2.77 Sandy Koufax 9.96
Whitey Ford 2.78 Dick Hall 9.97
George Ruth 2.79 Deacon Phillipe 10.05

Name HR/9 Name IP
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Eddie Plank 0.20 Cy Young 5225.3
Ray Collins 0.22 Don Sutton 5152.3
Doc White 0.24 Nolan Ryan 5117.0
Doc McJames 0.25 Walter Johnson 4874.7
Monte Ward 0.25 Phil Niekro 4813.7
George Mullin 0.25 Steve Carlton 4780.3
Orval Overall 0.25 Warren Spahn 4774.7
Harry Howell 0.25 Bert Blyleven 4748.0
Sam Leever 0.25 Gaylord Perry 4708.0
Chief Bender 0.26 Tommy John 4635.0
Pete Schneider 0.26 Tom Seaver 4559.7
Tommy Bond 0.27 Early Wynn 4384.0
Ed Reulbach 0.27 Jim Kaat 4296.7
Carl Weliman 0.28 Pete Alexander 4281.7
Smokey Joe Wood 0.28 Red Ruffing 4249.0

Name GS Name CG
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Nolan Ryan 747 Cy Young 176
Don Sutton 740 Walter Johnson 126
Cy Young 719 Tommy John 125
Tommy John 687 Bert Blyleven 110
Phil Niekro 682 Pud Galvin 108
Steve Carlton 681 Phil Niekro 105
Bert Blyleven 662 Early Wynn 105
Gaylord Perry 652 Eppa Rixey 105
Warren Spahn 651 Red Ruffing 105
Tom Seaver 634 Sam Jones 105
Walter Johnson 632 Kid Nichols 105
Jim Kaat 596 Nolan Ryan 104
Frank Tanana 594 Mickey Welch 104
Early Wynn 593 Lefty Grove 102
Robin Robets 585 Warren Spahn 100</pre>
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:43 PM   #44
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Ed Walsh, Smokey Joe Wood, that sounds more like it. Thanks a lot Ankit!
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