Byrd, Kotchman, Mathis, McPherson: all Dbacks? - Page 2

SoxWin · 07-27-2004, 01:39 AM

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I never said it wasn't nuts, just saying what I heard on air. It's likely all bs anyway.

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Hammer755 · 07-27-2004, 01:46 AM

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So you now have confirmation from multiple sources?

SoxWin · 07-27-2004, 01:50 AM

Yep. The announcer and the color guy.....

Karros270 · 07-27-2004, 02:51 AM

With all these wild rumors I really believe RJ will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Yanks. If the DB's are serious about competing next year then they are not going to be happy with the prospects that the Yanks have. I'd hope the Angels also wouldn't be stupid enough to mortgage their future for RJ but you never know if he indicates he'd be willing to go there. All that being said I bet dollars to donuts that he stays in Arizona to give a moribund franchise a reason to have fans come out.

dougaiton · 07-27-2004, 04:23 AM

I honestly don't see that the Yankees have the depth to do this. Who else would there be to got to Arizona - all they can offer is to take the contract, but plenty of teams are willing to do that and more.

Colangelo doesn't want to trade RJ enough to send him to NY for nothing. If RJ really wants to leave, and NY ain't an option, he'll expand his list. If he doesn't want to leave, he won't expand his list.

mlyons · 07-27-2004, 07:10 AM

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Yankees should focus on Kris Benson of Pittsburgh ... Doug Davis of Milwaukee ... Jamie Moyer for cash from Seattle ... /or Barry Zito of Oakland for Omar Fuentes C AA , Carlos Reyes P AA, and Timothy Battle OF A ..... They also need a solid 2B .

Screw that. The Yankees should focus on getting their guys healthy, and not doing any more damage to their already decimated minor league system. I don't understand how they can be in panic mode when they have the best record in baseball despite being without their two best starters for weeks.

BTW, they have a second baseman who's hitting close to .300 and plays solid defense in Miguel Cairo. What more could they want out of the ninth spot in the lineup?

Joshv02 · 07-27-2004, 08:48 AM

Cairo's #'s against lefties are good (.360/.433), which is why he has solid overall rate stats. Against righties, .325/.425, with the 425 way out of career line. His numbers scream "small sample size," and if you believe MGL, he is a pretty below average 2b. If NY believe's they should not get a 2B, then I'm a happy Sox fan.

The idea of the Clemens going to NY is odd, too; why would he sign at a home town discount just to let himself be traded? Seems like NY Daily BS talk.

I'm not too convinced that Mathis or Kotchman are stars, esp. Kotchman, but I like McPherson. It appears they will not resign Glaus, so trading a AAA star 3B is a bit short-sighted. RJ is worth 2-3 wins this year, maybe 4 if you are really lucky. If RJ means seeing less Aaron Sele, that is probably a good thing just for aesthetic purposes. 3 wins is just enough to make it really worthwhile, and the Angels really need a frontline starter (which could be said for any team).

If AZ wanted just Mathis and Kochman, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

KILLERBS24 · 07-27-2004, 02:41 PM

The angels will not trade McPherson or Mathis. They will trade Kotchman and a couple others maybe Aybar or Wood and a pitcher for Johnson. Nobody will trade 2 of their top 3 prospects for Johnson, especially since the DBacks aren't in a position to demand a big asking price cuz Johnson wants out now.

SoxWin · 07-27-2004, 02:47 PM

The DBacks have RJ under contract for another year. That he may want out is meaningless, he's under contract. If I'm the DBacks I ask for the sky to start and negotiate from there. You never start off trade talks asking for less then then you want, or even for what you want.

bagsangels · 07-27-2004, 05:28 PM

i really hope the angels do not get rid of mc or casey. that would be dumb. mathis i could handle losing maybe throw in ortiz and shield/sele. That i could see being ok.

LivnLegend · 07-27-2004, 05:37 PM

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i really hope the angels do not get rid of mc or casey. that would be dumb. mathis i could handle losing maybe throw in ortiz and shield/sele. That i could see being ok.

I think Mathis is the least likely to get dealt.

KILLERBS24 · 07-27-2004, 10:28 PM

The fact that he's under contract for another year means nothing, they have to trade him. When a player of that stature demand a trade they get it, if they refuse to trade him he could very easily say the hell with you and retire after this season and then the DBacks are left out in the cold. They can ask for whatever they want for him but the fact is there is a limited market for him and the angels are willing to offer more than any of the other teams have to offer for him. As far as the specs what I hear is Mathis and McPherson are untouchable. However they are willing to deal Kotchman because they dont believe he has much power potential, so they will offer Kotchman and a few others for Unit.

Skipaway · 07-27-2004, 10:34 PM

I didn't know Randy Johnson demanded a trade.

TotalEnd98 · 07-28-2004, 12:07 AM

Johnson has not demanded a trade, so I'm about 75% sure he's staying in Arizona. However, the D'Backs are reportedly interested in Yankees prospect Eric Duncan now, so if Steinbrenner and Cashman can throw together a miracle package around him... well, that's where the other 25% comes in.

The Yanks may try to move veterans for the prospects they need to get this deal done; I've heard rumors they're shopping Kenny Lofton and Ruben Sierra to see if they can get the kind of prospects Arizona would take. Brad Halsey's name has also been thrown around, either as part of the package to Arizona or to acquire a prospect Arizona wants.

It's not a very likely deal at this point, but it's not an impossibility.

07-27-2004, 01:50 AM	#23
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Yep. The announcer and the color guy..... __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

07-27-2004, 02:51 AM	#24
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	With all these wild rumors I really believe RJ will only waive his no trade clause to go to the Yanks. If the DB's are serious about competing next year then they are not going to be happy with the prospects that the Yanks have. I'd hope the Angels also wouldn't be stupid enough to mortgage their future for RJ but you never know if he indicates he'd be willing to go there. All that being said I bet dollars to donuts that he stays in Arizona to give a moribund franchise a reason to have fans come out. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

07-27-2004, 04:23 AM	#25
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	I honestly don't see that the Yankees have the depth to do this. Who else would there be to got to Arizona - all they can offer is to take the contract, but plenty of teams are willing to do that and more. Colangelo doesn't want to trade RJ enough to send him to NY for nothing. If RJ really wants to leave, and NY ain't an option, he'll expand his list. If he doesn't want to leave, he won't expand his list. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

07-27-2004, 08:48 AM	#27
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Cairo's #'s against lefties are good (.360/.433), which is why he has solid overall rate stats. Against righties, .325/.425, with the 425 way out of career line. His numbers scream "small sample size," and if you believe MGL, he is a pretty below average 2b. If NY believe's they should not get a 2B, then I'm a happy Sox fan. The idea of the Clemens going to NY is odd, too; why would he sign at a home town discount just to let himself be traded? Seems like NY Daily BS talk. I'm not too convinced that Mathis or Kotchman are stars, esp. Kotchman, but I like McPherson. It appears they will not resign Glaus, so trading a AAA star 3B is a bit short-sighted. RJ is worth 2-3 wins this year, maybe 4 if you are really lucky. If RJ means seeing less Aaron Sele, that is probably a good thing just for aesthetic purposes. 3 wins is just enough to make it really worthwhile, and the Angels really need a frontline starter (which could be said for any team). If AZ wanted just Mathis and Kochman, I'd do it in a heartbeat. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

07-27-2004, 02:47 PM	#29
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	The DBacks have RJ under contract for another year. That he may want out is meaningless, he's under contract. If I'm the DBacks I ask for the sky to start and negotiate from there. You never start off trade talks asking for less then then you want, or even for what you want. __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

07-27-2004, 02:41 PM	#28
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	The angels will not trade McPherson or Mathis. They will trade Kotchman and a couple others maybe Aybar or Wood and a pitcher for Johnson. Nobody will trade 2 of their top 3 prospects for Johnson, especially since the DBacks aren't in a position to demand a big asking price cuz Johnson wants out now.

07-27-2004, 05:28 PM	#30
bagsangels Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 332	i really hope the angels do not get rid of mc or casey. that would be dumb. mathis i could handle losing maybe throw in ortiz and shield/sele. That i could see being ok.

07-27-2004, 10:28 PM	#32
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	The fact that he's under contract for another year means nothing, they have to trade him. When a player of that stature demand a trade they get it, if they refuse to trade him he could very easily say the hell with you and retire after this season and then the DBacks are left out in the cold. They can ask for whatever they want for him but the fact is there is a limited market for him and the angels are willing to offer more than any of the other teams have to offer for him. As far as the specs what I hear is Mathis and McPherson are untouchable. However they are willing to deal Kotchman because they dont believe he has much power potential, so they will offer Kotchman and a few others for Unit.

07-27-2004, 10:34 PM	#33
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	I didn't know Randy Johnson demanded a trade. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-28-2004, 12:07 AM	#34
TotalEnd98 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,687	Johnson has not demanded a trade, so I'm about 75% sure he's staying in Arizona. However, the D'Backs are reportedly interested in Yankees prospect Eric Duncan now, so if Steinbrenner and Cashman can throw together a miracle package around him... well, that's where the other 25% comes in. The Yanks may try to move veterans for the prospects they need to get this deal done; I've heard rumors they're shopping Kenny Lofton and Ruben Sierra to see if they can get the kind of prospects Arizona would take. Brad Halsey's name has also been thrown around, either as part of the package to Arizona or to acquire a prospect Arizona wants. It's not a very likely deal at this point, but it's not an impossibility. __________________ OTBL - Scandinavia Cartoon Heroes This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.