Ah, more lovely waiver problems

enuttage · 07-20-2004, 08:55 AM

Hi everyone,

Maybe this has been discussed previously, but I couldn't dig it up with a search. I'm having waiver issues in our online league.

A team recently waived several players to clear them from the 40-man, to free up some room.

Well, the players show they've cleared waivers now (their player cards indicate it as well as the waiver box on the transactions page), BUT the game is still telling me that the players are refusing to be removed from the 40-man despite clearing waivers.

I know I can just flip the editor on and solve the problem, but it kinda defeats the point of me running our online waivers through the game at all.

Am I missing something? It happens not infrequently.

-E

jmm8356 · 07-20-2004, 09:18 AM

Is it saying that these players cannot be taking of the 40-man until they clear waivers... or is it saying that these players refuse assignment off the 40-man?

Veterans can refuse demotions, both to the minors and off the 40-man roster.

However, it should tell you that before they go on the waiver wire. At least, that's the way I read this Waiver Primer:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ad.php?t=68558

Hope this helps...

enuttage · 07-20-2004, 10:33 AM

Thank you.

It's possible I waived them without first checking whether they'd accept a move off the 40-man. I don't remember.

I suppose it's time to force them to come off the roster.

So here's a question. Does a player on the 40-man roster, that doesn't have the right-of-refusal noted next to his name, still have the right-of-refusal when coming off the 40-man?

Both of these guys were mid-20s players who did NOT have right-of-refusal indicators.

-E

jmm8356 · 07-20-2004, 11:10 AM

I played around with it a little bit, and it seems that players with 5 or more years of pro experience can refuse assignment off the 40-man, just as players with 5+ years of MLB experience can refuse assignment to the minors (which is what the little S icon stands for).

Also, the game definitely gives you the "accepts/refuses" decision before you put the player on waivers, as long as you drag the player from the 40-man to the white box. If you drag him from the 40-man to the waivers list (or from a minor league roster to the waivers list), the game doesn't know why you're putting the guy through waivers, so it doesn't ask him whether he'll accept reassignment. (It also might make them clear waivers again if you don't go from the 40-man to the white box; I remember reading somewhere that you had to be careful with how you got your guys to clear waivers.)

enuttage · 07-20-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jmm8356

I played around with it a little bit, and it seems that players with 5 or more years of pro experience can refuse assignment off the 40-man, just as players with 5+ years of MLB experience can refuse assignment to the minors (which is what the little S icon stands for).

I'll have to triple check, but I don't believe either of these guys had the right-of-refusal designation, the "S" (or whatever it actually is).

-E

jazzrack · 07-20-2004, 01:08 PM

you must take the players off of the 40 man roster before removing them form the waiver box. we had a GM have the same problem and we determind that was the problem, he had taken them off of waivers before removing him from the 40 man roster. Once we figured that out we have had no problems.

jmm8356 · 07-20-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by enuttage

I'll have to triple check, but I don't believe either of these guys had the right-of-refusal designation, the "S" (or whatever it actually is).

-E

Right. What I was saying above was just as players with the "S" symbol, which are those who have 5+ years MLB service, can refuse assignment to the minors... players who have 5 or more years of pro service can refuse assignment off the 40-man roster. Note that pro service is not the same as MLB service, and note that there is no icon/symbol for this second class of players.

(It's not really critical to have a symbol for these players either, IMHO, because when you try to remove them, it tells you whether they accept or not right away, and if they don't have the option, you still get the "To do this, this dude must clear waivers. Are you sure?" box, so you can still change your mind. If you move someone from the majors to the minors and they don't have the right-of-refusal, it happens instantly.)

enuttage · 07-20-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmm8356

Right. What I was saying above was just as players with the "S" symbol, which are those who have 5+ years MLB service, can refuse assignment to the minors... players who have 5 or more years of pro service can refuse assignment off the 40-man roster. Note that pro service is not the same as MLB service, and note that there is no icon/symbol for this second class of players.

Ah. Gotcha. Missed the Pro vs. MLB part. Plus I'm used to referring to top level players as "Pro", since I'm dealing with fantasy players and teams.

Thank you. That makes more sense.

-E

07-20-2004, 08:55 AM	#1
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	Ah, more lovely waiver problems Hi everyone, Maybe this has been discussed previously, but I couldn't dig it up with a search. I'm having waiver issues in our online league. A team recently waived several players to clear them from the 40-man, to free up some room. Well, the players show they've cleared waivers now (their player cards indicate it as well as the waiver box on the transactions page), BUT the game is still telling me that the players are refusing to be removed from the 40-man despite clearing waivers. I know I can just flip the editor on and solve the problem, but it kinda defeats the point of me running our online waivers through the game at all. Am I missing something? It happens not infrequently. -E __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."*

07-20-2004, 09:18 AM	#2
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	Is it saying that these players cannot be taking of the 40-man until they clear waivers... or is it saying that these players refuse assignment off the 40-man? Veterans can refuse demotions, both to the minors and off the 40-man roster. However, it should tell you that before they go on the waiver wire. At least, that's the way I read this Waiver Primer: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ad.php?t=68558 Hope this helps... __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

07-20-2004, 10:33 AM	#3
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hill Country Posts: 2,431	Thank you. It's possible I waived them without first checking whether they'd accept a move off the 40-man. I don't remember. I suppose it's time to force them to come off the roster. So here's a question. Does a player on the 40-man roster, that doesn't have the right-of-refusal noted next to his name, still have the right-of-refusal when coming off the 40-man? Both of these guys were mid-20s players who did NOT have right-of-refusal indicators. -E __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses *"The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them."*

07-20-2004, 11:10 AM	#4
jmm8356 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lafayette IN (by way of Tonawanda NY) Posts: 1,673	I played around with it a little bit, and it seems that players with 5 or more years of pro experience can refuse assignment off the 40-man, just as players with 5+ years of MLB experience can refuse assignment to the minors (which is what the little S icon stands for). Also, the game definitely gives you the "accepts/refuses" decision before you put the player on waivers, as long as you drag the player from the 40-man to the white box. If you drag him from the 40-man to the waivers list (or from a minor league roster to the waivers list), the game doesn't know why you're putting the guy through waivers, so it doesn't ask him whether he'll accept reassignment. (It also might make them clear waivers again if you don't go from the 40-man to the white box; I remember reading somewhere that you had to be careful with how you got your guys to clear waivers.) __________________ Jeremy from Tonawanda --- Go Cubbies! --- Unofficial Theta Tester(tm) "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!" From OOTP 6: Designated for Assignment FAQ (Includes both problems and solutions! Ooooo! )

07-20-2004, 01:08 PM	#6
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	you must take the players off of the 40 man roster before removing them form the waiver box. we had a GM have the same problem and we determind that was the problem, he had taken them off of waivers before removing him from the 40 man roster. Once we figured that out we have had no problems. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball