Waiver Wire Move that makes you go...huh??

Matter2003 · 07-14-2004, 09:02 PM

I kept seeing Sean Casey being placed on waivers and then taken off by the Reds, before they finally allowed him to be claimed by the Indians after the third time of placing him on waivers. This move makes no sense for a few reasons...

1) They currently have no other full time 1B on their active roster.

2) Casey is a career .300 hitter and was batting .299 at the time they placed him on waivers, playing in the majority of the Red's games

3) It was before the trade deadline and they could have easily traded him for some good prospects to a team needing a veteran 1B...

I have the AI Evaluation settings on 50-14-24-12 and do update them every month(per one of the other posts)...I did notice his ratings were kind of low, although he was still performing at a high level... Would it be more realistic to place a greater emphasis on stats(obviously in the beginning of the season, it would be on the prior seasons) than ratings for player evaluation? I have not seen very many of these types of poor waiver decisions, but this was a pretty obvious one....

Matter2003

Jack4Jack · 07-14-2004, 09:20 PM

i have my waivers set on default and apart from when you first begin a game they are pretty damn good.

Matter2003 · 07-14-2004, 10:08 PM

I agreee that overall they have been very good, but this one just kind of left me shaking my head...it's the only one I have seen so far...

Matter2003

Cowboys3356 · 07-14-2004, 10:11 PM

I turn them off because they only make the game easier to win. I mean when was the last time you lost a good player to waivers? The answer is never but the CPU does all the time. Just makes the game easier so it is not a fun option but good for online leagues.

PSUColonel · 07-14-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

I turn them off because they only make the game easier to win. I mean when was the last time you lost a good player to waivers? The answer is never but the CPU does all the time. Just makes the game easier so it is not a fun option but good for online leagues.

I disagree. Outside of the occasional relief pitcher, I have only been able to get role players. eg, a good defensive player with some speed etc..

jasonb13 · 07-15-2004, 09:34 AM

Could it be a salary related move? Remember that Boston put Manny Ramirez on waivers with the hope of being freed from his hige salary. Perhaps the Reds in this case are trying to relieve some financial pressure from themselves.

akw4572 · 07-15-2004, 09:45 AM

No, the answer is simple, the game has been programmed to have Jim Bowden as the Reds GM, and he didn't know a damn thing about the waiver system.

ctorg · 07-15-2004, 10:39 AM

I had a team claim its own player off waivers. This should be disabled, because it means the weakest team in the league can put players on the waiver wire and just claim them if it wants to keep them.

Dan Theman · 07-15-2004, 10:55 AM

Ever since updating to 6.03, the waiver situation has seemed well-adjusted to me. I may see a rare 2 1/2 star player out there, but that's about it.

Also, to to speak to ctorg's assertation that it should be turned off because last place teams can place players on waivers virtually at will: this is how it works in real life, too. I seem to remember (despite all efforts) the 1970's and 1980's when the Cleveland Indians were the absolute worst team at several points in time, and they took advantage of this loophole in the waiver system ... for all the good it did them

ctorg · 07-15-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Theman

Ever since updating to 6.03, the waiver situation has seemed well-adjusted to me. I may see a rare 2 1/2 star player out there, but that's about it.

Also, to to speak to ctorg's assertation that it should be turned off because last place teams can place players on waivers virtually at will: this is how it works in real life, too. I seem to remember (despite all efforts) the 1970's and 1980's when the Cleveland Indians were the absolute worst team at several points in time, and they took advantage of this loophole in the waiver system ... for all the good it did them

Really? Well, if that's the case, it shouldn't be turned off. I'm really surprised by that, though.

sguthrie · 07-15-2004, 03:15 PM

You figure you'd have to have the worst record by a couple of games, though, to be sure.

Would serve a team right if they had planned to do this and then won the next two or three games while the second team lost and passed them for wost record!!

wish7694 · 07-16-2004, 03:16 PM

Interestingly enough, teams have even drafted their own unprotected players in the rule 5 draft.

STLFAN2003 · 07-16-2004, 03:31 PM

if they cant protect them, why not

they are not automatically put on the 25 and 40 man rosters

knightni · 07-16-2004, 03:51 PM

Famous waiver gaffe.

Pirates accidentally put Willie Greene and Moises Alou on waivers (in 1990)

Greene goes to Cincy, Alou goes to Montreal.

Twelvefield · 07-16-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

Really? Well, if that's the case, it shouldn't be turned off. I'm really surprised by that, though.

Hey, ctorg, your link of the day falls on my birthday. Or fell. It's over a month ago now.

07-14-2004, 09:02 PM	#1
Matter2003 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In the vicinity of Buffalo,NY Posts: 1,634	Waiver Wire Move that makes you go...huh?? I kept seeing Sean Casey being placed on waivers and then taken off by the Reds, before they finally allowed him to be claimed by the Indians after the third time of placing him on waivers. This move makes no sense for a few reasons... 1) They currently have no other full time 1B on their active roster. 2) Casey is a career .300 hitter and was batting .299 at the time they placed him on waivers, playing in the majority of the Red's games 3) It was before the trade deadline and they could have easily traded him for some good prospects to a team needing a veteran 1B... I have the AI Evaluation settings on 50-14-24-12 and do update them every month(per one of the other posts)...I did notice his ratings were kind of low, although he was still performing at a high level... Would it be more realistic to place a greater emphasis on stats(obviously in the beginning of the season, it would be on the prior seasons) than ratings for player evaluation? I have not seen very many of these types of poor waiver decisions, but this was a pretty obvious one.... Matter2003

07-15-2004, 10:39 AM	#8
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I had a team claim its own player off waivers. This should be disabled, because it means the weakest team in the league can put players on the waiver wire and just claim them if it wants to keep them. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

07-14-2004, 09:20 PM	#2
Jack4Jack Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 75	i have my waivers set on default and apart from when you first begin a game they are pretty damn good.

07-14-2004, 10:08 PM	#3
Matter2003 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: In the vicinity of Buffalo,NY Posts: 1,634	I agreee that overall they have been very good, but this one just kind of left me shaking my head...it's the only one I have seen so far... Matter2003

07-14-2004, 10:11 PM	#4
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	I turn them off because they only make the game easier to win. I mean when was the last time you lost a good player to waivers? The answer is never but the CPU does all the time. Just makes the game easier so it is not a fun option but good for online leagues.

07-15-2004, 09:34 AM	#6
jasonb13 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 32	Could it be a salary related move? Remember that Boston put Manny Ramirez on waivers with the hope of being freed from his hige salary. Perhaps the Reds in this case are trying to relieve some financial pressure from themselves.

07-15-2004, 09:45 AM	#7
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	No, the answer is simple, the game has been programmed to have Jim Bowden as the Reds GM, and he didn't know a damn thing about the waiver system.

07-15-2004, 03:15 PM	#11
sguthrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 74	You figure you'd have to have the worst record by a couple of games, though, to be sure. Would serve a team right if they had planned to do this and then won the next two or three games while the second team lost and passed them for wost record!!

07-16-2004, 03:16 PM	#12
wish7694 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 125	Interestingly enough, teams have even drafted their own unprotected players in the rule 5 draft.

07-16-2004, 03:31 PM	#13
STLFAN2003 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 141	if they cant protect them, why not they are not automatically put on the 25 and 40 man rosters

07-16-2004, 03:51 PM	#14
knightni Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	Famous waiver gaffe. Pirates accidentally put Willie Greene and Moises Alou on waivers (in 1990) Greene goes to Cincy, Alou goes to Montreal.