Incorrect Team Stolen Base numbers

albatross11 · 07-10-2004, 01:42 AM

What would cause a team's stolen base total to seem to be incorrect on the Team Roster page? I noticed, in my solo fictional league, that when you add up the SB totals of the players on the active roster, they don't equal the Team Stolen Base number in the Team Stats section. I understand that if the number in the Team Stats section is higher than the added total of active roster players the difference is probably due to some players in the minors having stolen bases. But, what if the total in the Team Stats section is lower than the added total? For example, why would the Team Stats section have 33 Team Stolen Bases when there are 40, or more, showing among the active roster players? This isn't on all teams; just a couple. Hope I explained this clearly. Thanks in advance for any explanation.

Sweed · 07-10-2004, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by albatross11

What would cause a team's stolen base total to seem to be incorrect on the Team Roster page? I noticed, in my solo fictional league, that when you add up the SB totals of the players on the active roster, they don't equal the Team Stolen Base number in the Team Stats section. I understand that if the number in the Team Stats section is higher than the added total of active roster players the difference is probably due to some players in the minors having stolen bases. But, what if the total in the Team Stats section is lower than the added total? For example, why would the Team Stats section have 33 Team Stolen Bases when there are 40, or more, showing among the active roster players? This isn't on all teams; just a couple. Hope I explained this clearly. Thanks in advance for any explanation.

I would guess the teams in question traded away players that had higher numbers of stolen bases than players they got in return. Or perhaps waived
a few players that each had a couple of steals.

albatross11 · 07-10-2004, 11:43 AM

OK, Sweed, thanks for your reply. I always thought that when a player was traded his totals went with him, and were added to his "new" team, and subtracted from his "old" team. But, going by what you're saying, I guess that would explain the totals discrepancies I mentioned. Thanks again.

albatross11 · 07-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Just thinking again (bad habit)...if what Sweed said in his post above is true, then the numbers in the Team Stats section don't have much meaning if there has been player movement, right?

JDOldSchool · 07-11-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by albatross11

Just thinking again (bad habit)...if what Sweed said in his post above is true, then the numbers in the Team Stats section don't have much meaning if there has been player movement, right?

What he said isn't true, at least not in real life. The totals are always accurate, as far as I can tell.

Sweed · 07-11-2004, 10:14 AM

Well I can't say I've ever really checked this out IRL. It does seem to me though that these should be tracked as the total steals of the "team" over the course of the season. Not the total number of steals of the players currently on the roster.

Hypothetical..
Let's say you have a team that leads the league in runs scored with 500.
Your CF leads the league in runs scored with 75 and is traded. Will the team runs scored be reduced to 425 and you now no longer lead the league in runs scored? I would think not as this is a team stat not just a simple total of runs scored of the current players on the roster.

I think the same would apply to any stat kept for the team total, be it runs, homeruns, or stolen bases.

Also remember IRL when a player is traded his stats still show up on his original team and are added into the total. Look at Beltran with KC this year.
If you look at KC's team stats his 15 hr's are still listed with KC while IRL he has 20. The other 5 are listed in Houston's stats. OOTP does not split these stats like this. So in ootp I believe you would see Beltran on Houston's roster with 20 hr's but only 5 counting towards the team total. On KC's roster he would not be listed at all but his 15 hr's would still be in KC's team total.
Same would apply to SB's.

Now I don't have my game open right now to actually check this but I believe this would account for the difference in ootp's team total and the total of players currently on the roster.

JDOldSchool · 07-11-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

Well I can't say I've ever really checked this out IRL. It does seem to me though that these should be tracked as the total steals of the "team" over the course of the season. Not the total number of steals of the players currently on the roster.

Hypothetical..
Let's say you have a team that leads the league in runs scored with 500.
Your CF leads the league in runs scored with 75 and is traded. Will the team runs scored be reduced to 425 and you now no longer lead the league in runs scored? I would think not as this is a team stat not just a simple total of runs scored of the current players on the roster.

I think the same would apply to any stat kept for the team total, be it runs, homeruns, or stolen bases.

Also remember IRL when a player is traded his stats still show up on his original team and are added into the total. Look at Beltran with KC this year.
If you look at KC's team stats his 15 hr's are still listed with KC while IRL he has 20. The other 5 are listed in Houston's stats. OOTP does not split these stats like this. So in ootp I believe you would see Beltran on Houston's roster with 20 hr's but only 5 counting towards the team total. On KC's roster he would not be listed at all but his 15 hr's would still be in KC's team total.
Same would apply to SB's.

Now I don't have my game open right now to actually check this but I believe this would account for the difference in ootp's team total and the total of players currently on the roster.

You're right. In an online league (granted it was V5, but I doubt this has changed) I recall counting how many walks my team had drawn. I had traded a couple players mid-season and I had to include their walks with me for my number to match the game's number. I really don't think this is an issue. Markus got this one right. The only thing I'd like to see is the splits on the player pages so I can look back a season or two later and see if that mid-season trade actually helped a team. Just seeing one stat line doesn't give all the information (for example... it'll say a guy hit .300/.375/.520, but not what he did with Chicago and then what he did when he was traded to New York).

albatross11 · 07-11-2004, 12:26 PM

Thanks Sweed, and JDOldSchool. I understand now. The Team Stats numbers are just that...team stats, and don't always reflect the stats of the players actually on the roster.

07-10-2004, 01:42 AM	#1
albatross11 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 907	Incorrect Team Stolen Base numbers What would cause a team's stolen base total to seem to be incorrect on the Team Roster page? I noticed, in my solo fictional league, that when you add up the SB totals of the players on the active roster, they don't equal the Team Stolen Base number in the Team Stats section. I understand that if the number in the Team Stats section is higher than the added total of active roster players the difference is probably due to some players in the minors having stolen bases. But, what if the total in the Team Stats section is lower than the added total? For example, why would the Team Stats section have 33 Team Stolen Bases when there are 40, or more, showing among the active roster players? This isn't on all teams; just a couple. Hope I explained this clearly. Thanks in advance for any explanation. __________________ Peace, albatross

07-10-2004, 11:43 AM	#3
albatross11 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 907	OK, Sweed, thanks for your reply. I always thought that when a player was traded his totals went with him, and were added to his "new" team, and subtracted from his "old" team. But, going by what you're saying, I guess that would explain the totals discrepancies I mentioned. Thanks again. __________________ Peace, albatross

07-10-2004, 10:10 PM	#4
albatross11 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 907	Just thinking again (bad habit)...if what Sweed said in his post above is true, then the numbers in the Team Stats section don't have much meaning if there has been player movement, right? __________________ Peace, albatross

07-11-2004, 12:26 PM	#8
albatross11 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 907	Thanks Sweed, and JDOldSchool. I understand now. The Team Stats numbers are just that...team stats, and don't always reflect the stats of the players actually on the roster. __________________ Peace, albatross

07-11-2004, 10:14 AM	#6
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,079	Well I can't say I've ever really checked this out IRL. It does seem to me though that these should be tracked as the total steals of the "team" over the course of the season. Not the total number of steals of the players currently on the roster. Hypothetical.. Let's say you have a team that leads the league in runs scored with 500. Your CF leads the league in runs scored with 75 and is traded. Will the team runs scored be reduced to 425 and you now no longer lead the league in runs scored? I would think not as this is a team stat not just a simple total of runs scored of the current players on the roster. I think the same would apply to any stat kept for the team total, be it runs, homeruns, or stolen bases. Also remember IRL when a player is traded his stats still show up on his original team and are added into the total. Look at Beltran with KC this year. If you look at KC's team stats his 15 hr's are still listed with KC while IRL he has 20. The other 5 are listed in Houston's stats. OOTP does not split these stats like this. So in ootp I believe you would see Beltran on Houston's roster with 20 hr's but only 5 counting towards the team total. On KC's roster he would not be listed at all but his 15 hr's would still be in KC's team total. Same would apply to SB's. Now I don't have my game open right now to actually check this but I believe this would account for the difference in ootp's team total and the total of players currently on the roster.