Frustration with new ratings

draven085 · 06-27-2004, 05:58 PM

I would like to voice my displeasure with the difficulty I'm having trying to edit players' ratings so they perform a specific way. The problem lies in the fact that when one attribute is edited, others change. While I understand that many abilities overlap and find this change to be an impressive advance in the way OOTP creates players, it makes it nearly impossible to accurately input projected statistics for a player.

My suggestion is that OOTPD provide people with some sort of guideline on how to rate players. I'd like to be able to put in a player's statistics and have the game generate the appropriate ratings. In this case a manual would also be particularly useful in explaining exactly how the new ratings function.

As many of you know I've been working on an incredibly detailed MLB roster set and these circumstances have me about ready to give up on the whole project since inputting ratings for players is like pulling teeth.

I'd also like to add that allowing the in-game editor to change service time is an absolute must and should be included in the next patch or major update.

Henry · 06-27-2004, 06:04 PM

The batters editor works ok, but the pitcher editor is broken

Markus said he hadn't yet figured out what the problem was.

Eugene Church · 06-27-2004, 06:11 PM

I agree with draven. I just finished editing all of the ratings for my Alltime Allstar League and it was quite tedious...especially the pitchers as I am completely bewildered by the way stuff, control and movement interact. I hope the manual will cover the new features in detail.

Henry · 06-27-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugene Church

I agree with draven. I just finished editing all of the ratings for my Alltime Allstar League and it was quite tedious...especially the pitchers as I am completely bewildered by the way stuff, control and movement interact. I hope the manual will cover the new features in detail.

The pitching editor is not working correctly. It should not be doing what it's doing and Markus is aware of it - but can't yet find the problem.

draven085 · 06-27-2004, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry

The batters editor works ok, but the pitcher editor is broken

Markus said he hadn't yet figured out what the problem was.

Actually, it doesn't. I was working on some ratings earlier today and editing patience for hitters had an impact on HR power and gap power. This was with the latest patch.

eneubaue · 06-27-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry

The batters editor works ok, but the pitcher editor is broken

Markus said he hadn't yet figured out what the problem was.

Glad to know that there are definite problems with the editor. It's a show stopper for me (meaning I'll have to wait until the editor is in working order before I'll swith over from version 5 and import my league). But I'm patient - I know in due time Markus will find the problem and correct it.

Henry · 06-27-2004, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Actually, it doesn't. I was working on some ratings earlier today and editing patience for hitters had an impact on HR power and gap power. This was with the latest patch.

I just tried what you mentioned and didn't see a change anywhere else... ?? Can you try again, or give me more information ?

draven085 · 06-27-2004, 10:30 PM

Hrrrm. I'm not really sure what other information you want. I just tried it again and got the same results. I am using the in game editor. When I edit a batter's patience his gap power rating changes. When I edit his gap power vs LHP his gap vs RHP changes. I tried this on multiple players. The league is an import of the 2003 Lahman database that is now in the 2004 offseason.

Henry · 06-27-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Hrrrm. I'm not really sure what other information you want. I just tried it again and got the same results. I am using the in game editor. When I edit a batter's patience his gap power rating changes. When I edit his gap power vs LHP his gap vs RHP changes. I tried this on multiple players. The league is an import of the 2003 Lahman database that is now in the 2004 offseason.

Ok... I'll try again. I was using a fictional setup - but it shouldn't make any difference. I'll let you know what I find.

Kaline · 06-27-2004, 11:09 PM

I also experienced what Draven was talking about.

I dont edit players a lot, and it didn't do it all the time (dont know why) but sometimes editing certain ratings made other jump.

GoldenGlove · 06-27-2004, 11:50 PM

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Fool Inc. · 06-28-2004, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by draven085

Actually, it doesn't. I was working on some ratings earlier today and editing patience for hitters had an impact on HR power and gap power. This was with the latest patch.

Wait. If you move patience shouldn't the players been hitting smarter which would make more more extra base hits hense it increases the gap and homerun power ratings.

maddux31holytrinity · 06-28-2004, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fool Inc.

Wait. If you move patience shouldn't the players been hitting smarter which would make more more extra base hits hense it increases the gap and homerun power ratings.

im glad im not the only one who thought this... players with low patence would pop up and strike out more often...

Henry · 06-28-2004, 07:02 AM

I have to clarify something... when I did my batter rating analysis charts, I used the old engine/editor to input values then checked to see what the V6 values were. This worked for batters. but when I tried it for pitchers, the V5 editor changed other values as I entered my base stats... so I haven't been able to finish the process for pitchers.

This is a slightly different problem than your stating since "other values chaging" MAY be normal when using the V6 editor.

maddux31holytrinity · 06-28-2004, 07:21 AM

well i think it makes sense that one charateristic would affect another of a players abilities, i dont think that is the probelm really. I think the problem is we dont know what the numbers actually mean. I think that is more of what you are also getting to....

I mean you see a stat called "stuff" or "movement" you go to espn.com and you dont see that listed on your guys player profile...

*i think i cant type either

Henry · 06-28-2004, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by maddux31holytrinity

well i think it makes sense that one charateristic would affect another of a players abilities, i dont think that is the probelm really. I think the problem is we dont know what the numbers actually mean. I think that is more of what you are also getting to....

I mean you see a stat called "stuff" or "movement" you go to espn.com and you dont see that listed on your guys player profile...

*i think i cant type either

Yes, but you should be able to switch to the old engine, use the V5 editor but inputing stats, then switch back to the new engine to see the results.

This works for batters, but not for pitchers.

maddux31holytrinity · 06-28-2004, 07:45 AM

well heres what i can show you... I am able to switch back to the new game engine after going to classic ootp5 mode.... I mean I dont necessarly agree with the ratings but well I can see them

Chris Nabholz who was not more then a .500 pitcher a #3 guy has turned into well.. lets just say he lead the league in ERA and BAA.... I thought this was maybe a fluke because well... that kinda stuff happens you know, (I mean I had a time where Joey Cora lead my league in OPS) so I simmed the same season about 10 times now. Chris Nabholz is just getting better and better. I am frankly scared. What turned him into Walter Johnson? He's not just doing it on the mound either. His batting ratings are all 1's and well he hit 4 HR this last season I simmed. Should I be concerned?

maddux31holytrinity · 06-28-2004, 07:53 AM

btw I got another thing to comment on.

Does anyone know Andy Abad? Well in cause you dont know hes a 30 year old career minor leaguer.... Well he's in this league I was running. Andy Abad went from a back up at 1B to well les a middle reliever throwing 50+ innings now. WTF this is no bs here either. Abad threw 53.1 innings this last season compiling a 5-3 record 3 saves a .250 BAA .324 OBP .395 SLG for a total of a 1.38 WHIP and a 3.78 ERA. I know it feels like "hey I got something out of a guy i didnt expect anything" but hes not a pitcher and hes doing it.... I have 11 pitchers on the team Abad is on so its not that they have a shortage of arms.

His overall stuff is a 6 control a 1 and his movment a stunning 20. Yet hes turned into a good solid RP. I have seen some wierd stuff in OOTP but this is frankly one of my most humoress moments. I'm thinking about continuing on past this season just to see what Abad can do in the pen.

darkhorse · 06-28-2004, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eneubaue

Glad to know that there are definite problems with the editor. It's a show stopper for me (meaning I'll have to wait until the editor is in working order before I'll swith over from version 5 and import my league). But I'm patient - I know in due time Markus will find the problem and correct it.

I'm still waiting for Markus to fix the double K bug in OOTP5. I'll be patient. It can't be much longer.

akw4572 · 06-28-2004, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by maddux31holytrinity

btw I got another thing to comment on.

Does anyone know Andy Abad? Well in cause you dont know hes a 30 year old career minor leaguer.... Well he's in this league I was running. Andy Abad went from a back up at 1B to well les a middle reliever throwing 50+ innings now. WTF this is no bs here either. Abad threw 53.1 innings this last season compiling a 5-3 record 3 saves a .250 BAA .324 OBP .395 SLG for a total of a 1.38 WHIP and a 3.78 ERA. I know it feels like "hey I got something out of a guy i didnt expect anything" but hes not a pitcher and hes doing it.... I have 11 pitchers on the team Abad is on so its not that they have a shortage of arms.

His overall stuff is a 6 control a 1 and his movment a stunning 20. Yet hes turned into a good solid RP. I have seen some wierd stuff in OOTP but this is frankly one of my most humoress moments. I'm thinking about continuing on past this season just to see what Abad can do in the pen.

I personally have seen nothing of the likes, but ever heard of Brooks Kieschniek?

06-27-2004, 05:58 PM	#1
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Frustration with new ratings I would like to voice my displeasure with the difficulty I'm having trying to edit players' ratings so they perform a specific way. The problem lies in the fact that when one attribute is edited, others change. While I understand that many abilities overlap and find this change to be an impressive advance in the way OOTP creates players, it makes it nearly impossible to accurately input projected statistics for a player. My suggestion is that OOTPD provide people with some sort of guideline on how to rate players. I'd like to be able to put in a player's statistics and have the game generate the appropriate ratings. In this case a manual would also be particularly useful in explaining exactly how the new ratings function. As many of you know I've been working on an incredibly detailed MLB roster set and these circumstances have me about ready to give up on the whole project since inputting ratings for players is like pulling teeth. I'd also like to add that allowing the in-game editor to change service time is an absolute must and should be included in the next patch or major update.

06-27-2004, 11:50 PM	#11
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06-27-2004, 06:04 PM	#2
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	The batters editor works ok, but the pitcher editor is broken Markus said he hadn't yet figured out what the problem was.

06-27-2004, 06:11 PM	#3
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,284	I agree with draven. I just finished editing all of the ratings for my Alltime Allstar League and it was quite tedious...especially the pitchers as I am completely bewildered by the way stuff, control and movement interact. I hope the manual will cover the new features in detail.

06-27-2004, 10:30 PM	#8
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Hrrrm. I'm not really sure what other information you want. I just tried it again and got the same results. I am using the in game editor. When I edit a batter's patience his gap power rating changes. When I edit his gap power vs LHP his gap vs RHP changes. I tried this on multiple players. The league is an import of the 2003 Lahman database that is now in the 2004 offseason.

06-27-2004, 11:09 PM	#10
Kaline Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 321	I also experienced what Draven was talking about. I dont edit players a lot, and it didn't do it all the time (dont know why) but sometimes editing certain ratings made other jump.

06-28-2004, 07:02 AM	#14
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	I have to clarify something... when I did my batter rating analysis charts, I used the old engine/editor to input values then checked to see what the V6 values were. This worked for batters. but when I tried it for pitchers, the V5 editor changed other values as I entered my base stats... so I haven't been able to finish the process for pitchers. This is a slightly different problem than your stating since "other values chaging" MAY be normal when using the V6 editor.

06-28-2004, 07:21 AM	#15
maddux31holytrinity Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16	well i think it makes sense that one charateristic would affect another of a players abilities, i dont think that is the probelm really. I think the problem is we dont know what the numbers actually mean. I think that is more of what you are also getting to.... I mean you see a stat called "stuff" or "movement" you go to espn.com and you dont see that listed on your guys player profile... *i think i cant type either

06-28-2004, 07:45 AM	#17
maddux31holytrinity Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16	well heres what i can show you... I am able to switch back to the new game engine after going to classic ootp5 mode.... I mean I dont necessarly agree with the ratings but well I can see them Chris Nabholz who was not more then a .500 pitcher a #3 guy has turned into well.. lets just say he lead the league in ERA and BAA.... I thought this was maybe a fluke because well... that kinda stuff happens you know, (I mean I had a time where Joey Cora lead my league in OPS) so I simmed the same season about 10 times now. Chris Nabholz is just getting better and better. I am frankly scared. What turned him into Walter Johnson? He's not just doing it on the mound either. His batting ratings are all 1's and well he hit 4 HR this last season I simmed. Should I be concerned?

06-28-2004, 07:53 AM	#18
maddux31holytrinity Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 16	btw I got another thing to comment on. Does anyone know Andy Abad? Well in cause you dont know hes a 30 year old career minor leaguer.... Well he's in this league I was running. Andy Abad went from a back up at 1B to well les a middle reliever throwing 50+ innings now. WTF this is no bs here either. Abad threw 53.1 innings this last season compiling a 5-3 record 3 saves a .250 BAA .324 OBP .395 SLG for a total of a 1.38 WHIP and a 3.78 ERA. I know it feels like "hey I got something out of a guy i didnt expect anything" but hes not a pitcher and hes doing it.... I have 11 pitchers on the team Abad is on so its not that they have a shortage of arms. His overall stuff is a 6 control a 1 and his movment a stunning 20. Yet hes turned into a good solid RP. I have seen some wierd stuff in OOTP but this is frankly one of my most humoress moments. I'm thinking about continuing on past this season just to see what Abad can do in the pen.