what ratings is important to field a great defensive team?

jbmagic · 06-15-2004, 10:48 AM

what ratings is important to field a great defensive team?

what the key ratings to look at?

thanks

Steve Kuffrey · 06-15-2004, 11:56 AM

Range & fielding %.

joncon16 · 06-15-2004, 12:26 PM

Is there more of an emphasis on one -- or are they equal weight?

Gastric ReFlux · 06-15-2004, 12:27 PM

Clutch

Ktulu · 06-15-2004, 12:44 PM

Isnt this question obvious or are you just trying to get in your question of the day? Look at the 3 defensive ratings: range, field pct, and arm.

ctorg · 06-15-2004, 12:47 PM

It depends on the position, or at least that's how common wisdom has it. I don't know that any studies have been done. I think it's supposedly (as I've seen it):

1B - FA
2B - Range
3B - FA
SS - Range
LF - Even
CF - Range
RF - Even

In my opinion, range is a little more important. I seem to have more success with higher-range fielders in general. As I've said, I've never tested it.

jbmagic · 06-15-2004, 12:53 PM

thanks

i agree it wont do you any good if you have a player with great fielding %, but no range..

what position can get away with no range?

and for Arm, probably first basemen only can get away with no arm right?

Ktulu · 06-15-2004, 12:58 PM

In general first base and third base can get away with less range, first and, to a lesser extent, second don't require strong arms.

Bobbo · 06-15-2004, 01:47 PM

I think range is always more important. More agile fielders' higher error totals are often due to the fact that they get to more balls. Better to have a guy bobble a ball and keep it in front of him than to have a slow guy w/ good hands who'll just have to watch most of them go by.

mlyons · 06-15-2004, 08:58 PM

For catcher, however, range doesn't seem to matter at all -- it's all about passed balls and the throwing game.

Dan Theman · 06-15-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by mlyons
For catcher, however, range doesn't seem to matter at all -- it's all about passed balls and the throwing game.

Hey now, let's not underestimate his ability to run after that groundball and beat the shortstop to it. <tongue in cheek>

On a more serious note, it may help with defending bunts and limiting wild pitches ... but more than likely it's of most use when tackling a batter from behind who's trying to charge the mound.

andjbock · 06-15-2004, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Range & fielding %.

I have a LOT of re-thinking to do tonight!

MBuser · 06-20-2004, 02:09 AM

someone posted this table in a similar thread and i liked it so i'll repost

Code:

Pos   FLD%   RNG    Arm
 C     **      *    ***
1B      *      *      *
2B    ***    ***     **
3B     **     **    ***
SS    ***    ***    ***
LF     **     **     **
CF    ***    ***     **
RF     **     **    ***

athkatla · 06-20-2004, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBuser

someone posted this table in a similar thread and i liked it so i'll repost

Code:

Pos   FLD%   RNG    Arm
 C     **      *    ***
1B      *      *      *
2B    ***    ***     **
3B     **     **    ***
SS    ***    ***    ***
LF     **     **     **
CF    ***    ***     **
RF     **     **    ***

Looking at this, it would appear that the most important fielder is the SS! is that right?

Fool Inc. · 06-20-2004, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by athkatla

Looking at this, it would appear that the most important fielder is the SS! is that right?

This is correct in the game and in real life. Well most important infielder anyway. Centerfield is pretty important as well.

tategter · 06-20-2004, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by athkatla

Looking at this, it would appear that the most important fielder is the SS! is that right?

Seeing as you are from England, and probably don't get to see a lot of baseball, I can see how this would be confusing. Think of it this way: most batters are right-handed and most balls will be hit on the ground. That means the SS will be handling a majority of the defensive duty during any given game. Now, since the batter is trying to reach 1st, which is about 70 feet from the SS, he needs a good arm as well.

If you think about how the game is played you can see, realistically, how each position is important from a defensive point of view.

Goody · 06-20-2004, 01:22 PM

I wonder how much a catcher's range plays into success rate of catching those behind the plate foul balls. They're hit quite often.

And throws to home plate? Are any catcher ratings checked on the tag out/collision?

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Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,710	In general first base and third base can get away with less range, first and, to a lesser extent, second don't require strong arms. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

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joncon16 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 112	Is there more of an emphasis on one -- or are they equal weight?

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jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	thanks i agree it wont do you any good if you have a player with great fielding %, but no range.. what position can get away with no range? and for Arm, probably first basemen only can get away with no arm right?

06-15-2004, 01:47 PM	#9
Bobbo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 141	I think range is always more important. More agile fielders' higher error totals are often due to the fact that they get to more balls. Better to have a guy bobble a ball and keep it in front of him than to have a slow guy w/ good hands who'll just have to watch most of them go by.

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mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	For catcher, however, range doesn't seem to matter at all -- it's all about passed balls and the throwing game. __________________ Things can always be worse.

06-20-2004, 02:09 AM	#13
MBuser Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: menlo park, ca Posts: 18	someone posted this table in a similar thread and i liked it so i'll repost Code: Pos FLD% RNG Arm C ** * *** 1B * * * 2B * * 3B * SS * * * LF CF * * RF *

06-20-2004, 01:22 PM	#17
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	I wonder how much a catcher's range plays into success rate of catching those behind the plate foul balls. They're hit quite often. And throws to home plate? Are any catcher ratings checked on the tag out/collision?