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almo · 05-18-2004, 05:46 PM

I would think if they fought 10 times, it would be alot like their 1st fight. We have already seen them 2 times. I just think that Tarver presents physical problems for Jones ( height, reach, movement).

Also they are both counter punchers. someone has to lead. I have seen Tarver get wacked clean alot more than I have seen jones. Ultimatley the question here is Jones chin and superior defence. Jones has such good defence that he barely gets hit. That "lucky punch" was the hardest I have seen Jones get hit with.

I used to have the same questions about tyson ( now dont get all over me about this....Tyson is nowhere near Jones in the boxing department). My question about Tyson was his chin. He was too busy knocking every out that no one had a chance to hit him..........that was until 2/25/89....his first encounter with Frank Bruno. Bruno hit him with a shot that lifted Tyson off of the canvas about 1.5 feet. He shook it off and looked like a raged bull. That was when all questions about his chin were answered.

Until the tarver fights, I had no such moment of clarity with Jones. Now I do....Jones said that he does not like to get hit....Im sure no boxer does...but it happened and he looked like a wet noodle in the ring......and it sucks that he said that "it was hard to get up for these fights" in his post fight interveiw....if anything I thought it would have the reverse affect considering his prowess was being questioned about the 1st fight.

Anyway...regardless Jones Jr is top 10 all time pound for pound in my book.

Almo

sabotai · 05-18-2004, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by thebadguy
When I say "lucky punch", I dont mean it was a punch that just landed by mistake. I mean it was one of those freak occurences that we will likely NEVER see again. Tarver got lucky. If he and Roy fought 10 more times, I would pick Roy 10 times!

Ah, ok. I see what you mean now, but I still disagree.

Look at Wlad. People tried to fight him a certain way and all but 1 lost to him. They were intimidated. Wlad gets KO'ed in round 2 by Sanders. Now, everyone thinks Wlad's chin is weak and now they change up and now they go on the agressive.

I beleive that most of Jones' opponents have been intimidated on some level by Jones. Now that he has the appearance of having a weak chin, people will fight him much more aggressively. Consequently, he'll get hit more, and a few will get by cleanly like the one last night.

Weak chins are blood in the water for boxers. Jones either needs to make an example of a few people by showing "If you come at me, I will hurt you." (a few early ko's against some agressive opponents will do it) or he'll be facing aggressive fighters for the rest of his career, all who will be trying liek hell to land punches on Jones' chin. That's exactly what he's been trying to avoid.

If this fight didn't happen, it's very likely that we would have never seen Jones like he was Saturday night. But now that the blood is in the water, I think it's likely that we will see it again.

sabotai · 05-18-2004, 06:48 PM

follow up:

Or there's the third option: Jones retires

darthpb · 05-19-2004, 04:32 PM

Dude, you could not be more wrong. Styles make fights...Tarver has his number; for whatever reason.

hamed · 05-19-2004, 04:49 PM

Did you read in "USA Today" that Jones will stay @ Lt Heavy & maybe fight Fabrice Tiozzo? - the French WBA champ

Jim Trunzo · 05-19-2004, 04:52 PM

Perfect fight for him: past-prime, slow-punching, slow-moving, so-so chin nobody. Sorry but that's a really poor fight for any reason other than money/title shot. Then again, I guess you can't blame him, considering those factors.

ACGord · 05-19-2004, 05:59 PM

QUOTE]Originally posted by hamed
Did you read in "USA Today" that Jones will stay @ Lt Heavy & maybe fight Fabrice Tiozzo? - the French WBA champ [/QUOTE]
This kind of stuff is exactly why some people just don't like Roy. I wonder who’s next for Tarver then, Erdei(sp)?

hamed · 05-19-2004, 08:53 PM

LOL, right, isn't that guy from Hungary?

I heard Tarver is talking about jumping to heavyweight - for the right fight (read $'s). I'm sure he'd love Tyson but Toney vs Tarver might be interesting.

ACGord · 05-20-2004, 12:41 AM

I was trying to be funny, lame attempt. How much weight can Tarver carry? He's sooo skinny, his legs are like toothpicks.

hamed · 05-20-2004, 12:25 PM

I thought you were serious because if I'm thinking of the same guy, Erdei is the WBO Lt Heavy champ so it would make sense for Tarver to try & get his belt too. There seems to be a race to be the first fighter to hold all 4 of the big belts @ the same time. I know Zab has talked about it & if Oscar wins & then fights Hopkins in Sept, the winner of that fight would hold all 4 major belts.

Tarver would need to pick up the IBF belt too because he only has 2 belts right now.

Bam Bam · 05-20-2004, 07:48 PM

Tarver is no Heavywweight by any stretch of the imagination......

05-18-2004, 05:46 PM	#61
almo Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 346	I would think if they fought 10 times, it would be alot like their 1st fight. We have already seen them 2 times. I just think that Tarver presents physical problems for Jones ( height, reach, movement). Also they are both counter punchers. someone has to lead. I have seen Tarver get wacked clean alot more than I have seen jones. Ultimatley the question here is Jones chin and superior defence. Jones has such good defence that he barely gets hit. That "lucky punch" was the hardest I have seen Jones get hit with. I used to have the same questions about tyson ( now dont get all over me about this....Tyson is nowhere near Jones in the boxing department). My question about Tyson was his chin. He was too busy knocking every out that no one had a chance to hit him..........that was until 2/25/89....his first encounter with Frank Bruno. Bruno hit him with a shot that lifted Tyson off of the canvas about 1.5 feet. He shook it off and looked like a raged bull. That was when all questions about his chin were answered. Until the tarver fights, I had no such moment of clarity with Jones. Now I do....Jones said that he does not like to get hit....Im sure no boxer does...but it happened and he looked like a wet noodle in the ring......and it sucks that he said that "it was hard to get up for these fights" in his post fight interveiw....if anything I thought it would have the reverse affect considering his prowess was being questioned about the 1st fight. Anyway...regardless Jones Jr is top 10 all time pound for pound in my book. Almo Last edited by almo; 05-18-2004 at 05:52 PM.

05-20-2004, 07:48 PM	#71
Bam Bam All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York Posts: 1,027	Tarver is no Heavywweight by any stretch of the imagination...... __________________ runs a 4.4 40..

05-18-2004, 06:48 PM	#63
sabotai All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: South Jersey Posts: 841	follow up: Or there's the third option: Jones retires

05-19-2004, 04:32 PM	#64
darthpb All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queens, NY a mile from Shea Posts: 690	Dude, you could not be more wrong. Styles make fights...Tarver has his number; for whatever reason.

05-19-2004, 04:49 PM	#65
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Did you read in "USA Today" that Jones will stay @ Lt Heavy & maybe fight Fabrice Tiozzo? - the French WBA champ

05-19-2004, 04:52 PM	#66
Jim Trunzo OOTP Developments Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leechburg, PA Posts: 739	Perfect fight for him: past-prime, slow-punching, slow-moving, so-so chin nobody. Sorry but that's a really poor fight for any reason other than money/title shot. Then again, I guess you can't blame him, considering those factors.

05-19-2004, 05:59 PM	#67
ACGord Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 78	QUOTE]Originally posted by hamed Did you read in "USA Today" that Jones will stay @ Lt Heavy & maybe fight Fabrice Tiozzo? - the French WBA champ [/QUOTE] This kind of stuff is exactly why some people just don't like Roy. I wonder who’s next for Tarver then, Erdei(sp)?

05-19-2004, 08:53 PM	#68
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	LOL, right, isn't that guy from Hungary? I heard Tarver is talking about jumping to heavyweight - for the right fight (read $'s). I'm sure he'd love Tyson but Toney vs Tarver might be interesting.

05-20-2004, 12:41 AM	#69
ACGord Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 78	I was trying to be funny, lame attempt. How much weight can Tarver carry? He's sooo skinny, his legs are like toothpicks.

05-20-2004, 12:25 PM	#70
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	I thought you were serious because if I'm thinking of the same guy, Erdei is the WBO Lt Heavy champ so it would make sense for Tarver to try & get his belt too. There seems to be a race to be the first fighter to hold all 4 of the big belts @ the same time. I know Zab has talked about it & if Oscar wins & then fights Hopkins in Sept, the winner of that fight would hold all 4 major belts. Tarver would need to pick up the IBF belt too because he only has 2 belts right now.