Jason Schmidt

clarnzz · 05-18-2004, 10:59 PM

How long before this guys arm falls off? He is coming off of shoulder trouble and threw 120+ pitches in his last two outings before tonight. Tonight against the Cubs he threw 144 pitches! And I thought Dusty was bad.

Great game by Schmidt, but 144 pitches seems downright criminal.

Mike D · 05-18-2004, 11:01 PM

I was waiting for a thread like this. When is the Alou is going to ruin all his pitchers thread going to get going?

clarnzz · 05-18-2004, 11:18 PM

Im taking June 23rd in the Jason Schmidt DL pool.

Hank Greenberg · 05-18-2004, 11:26 PM

I call June 24th

clarnzz · 05-18-2004, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Greenberg
I call June 24th

What are you a Giants fan or something? No way he lasts that long, can we please try to show some objectivity around here?

Mel_Ott · 05-19-2004, 02:23 AM

Schmidt's a Proven Veteran. He'll be fine, just like Robb Nen.

Eric · 05-19-2004, 02:24 AM

Maybe Felipe went to the Grady/Dusty school of managing.

Crapshoot · 05-19-2004, 02:39 AM

****ing A Felipe!

BleedingCubbyBlue · 05-19-2004, 09:21 AM

I was at the game last night. Great game pitched by Schmidt. Clement pitched pretty well too, scattering 6 hits. He got a bit wild late in the game, but managed to get out of the inning. I got some good pics which I might post later.

Gastric ReFlux · 05-19-2004, 10:25 AM

Go Alou! Good to see a manager who doesn't buy into the liberal theory of coddling!

Jason Moyer · 05-19-2004, 02:42 PM

How long was the game?

Pitchcounts are meaningless.

Jason

BleedingCubbyBlue · 05-19-2004, 03:07 PM

Just under 3 hours. 2:49 I think.

Jason Moyer · 05-19-2004, 04:56 PM

Eh. 2:49 isn't bad.

3 hours from the point of warming up is about as long as I'd leave a pitcher in a game.

I'd be more worried if the score had been 6-0 through 6 innings, he had thrown 80 pitches, and the game had been going for over 3 hours.

Jason

SoxWin · 05-19-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
How long was the game?

Pitchcounts are meaningless.

Jason

For older pitchers or everyone?

Since when?

clarnzz · 05-19-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by BleedingCubbyBlue
I was at the game last night. Great game pitched by Schmidt. Clement pitched pretty well too, scattering 6 hits. He got a bit wild late in the game, but managed to get out of the inning. I got some good pics which I might post later.

Great game to go to, too bad the result wasn't better and missing out on Sammy vs. Bonds.

Skipaway · 05-20-2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer
Eh. 2:49 isn't bad.

3 hours from the point of warming up is about as long as I'd leave a pitcher in a game.

I'd be more worried if the score had been 6-0 through 6 innings, he had thrown 80 pitches, and the game had been going for over 3 hours.

Jason

So you got some complete new theory that's not publicly published anywhere?

dougaiton · 05-20-2004, 05:13 AM

Tom Kelly used to use time, didn't he?

Skipaway · 05-20-2004, 05:42 AM

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Joe Mays was pulled after pitching 8 2/3 innings on Saturday night. He didn't give up a hit until the 5th, didn't give up a second hit until the 8th, and after eight innings he had given up only two hits, two walks and still had a shutout. AND he'd only thrown 104 pitches. So, Kelly sends him out to start the 9th and hopefully get the complete game shutout. But things don't go as well for Mays, and he gives up three hits and one run and has two outs but has thrown 117 pitches. At that point, Kelly brings in Jack Cressend. Jack does his job, striking out Dee Brown for the final out.

The next day on The Tom Kelly Show on WCCO radio, he is lambasted by fans at the State Fair for pulling Mays in the 9th and for pulling Radke on Tuesday after 72 pitches. In that case, Radke was making his first start after being on the DL, but he left with the lead, Cressend came in again, and gave up 3 home runs on seven pitches to lose the lead. Kelly was initially questioned by the hosts about pitch counts and Kelly's rationale was:

1) We're in a pennant race, and throwing too many pitches in one start can effect the next start, and we need our pitchers to be strong for their next start.
2) Throwing too many pitches can jeopardize young pitchers careers, and "I like to sleep at night."

Skipaway · 05-20-2004, 05:45 AM

Perhaps somebody indeed has used time instead of pitch count, but what's the theory behind that? And what proves it to be better than pitch count?

dougaiton · 05-20-2004, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by Skipaway
Perhaps somebody indeed has used time instead of pitch count, but what's the theory behind that? And what proves it to be better than pitch count?

Not saying its better, just trying to remember whether he had or not

I would think that there is something said for lay-off times between pitching, but aren't most arm injuries through overwork (tears etc.) rather than tension, caused by throwing with a stiffer arm? I'd still put weight on amount of work than time of work.

Oh, I've no idea.

05-18-2004, 10:59 PM	#1
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Jason Schmidt How long before this guys arm falls off? He is coming off of shoulder trouble and threw 120+ pitches in his last two outings before tonight. Tonight against the Cubs he threw 144 pitches! And I thought Dusty was bad. Great game by Schmidt, but 144 pitches seems downright criminal.

05-18-2004, 11:01 PM	#2
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05-19-2004, 02:23 AM	#6
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	Schmidt's a Proven Veteran. He'll be fine, just like Robb Nen. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL

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05-19-2004, 09:21 AM	#9
BleedingCubbyBlue All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gurnee, IL Posts: 601	I was at the game last night. Great game pitched by Schmidt. Clement pitched pretty well too, scattering 6 hits. He got a bit wild late in the game, but managed to get out of the inning. I got some good pics which I might post later. __________________ http://www.otbaonline.com

05-18-2004, 11:18 PM	#3
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	Im taking June 23rd in the Jason Schmidt DL pool.

05-18-2004, 11:26 PM	#4
Hank Greenberg Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 460	I call June 24th

05-19-2004, 02:24 AM	#7
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	Maybe Felipe went to the Grady/Dusty school of managing.

05-19-2004, 10:25 AM	#10
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Go Alou! Good to see a manager who doesn't buy into the liberal theory of coddling!

05-19-2004, 02:42 PM	#11
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,105	How long was the game? Pitchcounts are meaningless. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

05-19-2004, 03:07 PM	#12
BleedingCubbyBlue All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gurnee, IL Posts: 601	Just under 3 hours. 2:49 I think. __________________ http://www.otbaonline.com

05-19-2004, 04:56 PM	#13
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,105	Eh. 2:49 isn't bad. 3 hours from the point of warming up is about as long as I'd leave a pitcher in a game. I'd be more worried if the score had been 6-0 through 6 innings, he had thrown 80 pitches, and the game had been going for over 3 hours. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

05-20-2004, 05:13 AM	#17
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Tom Kelly used to use time, didn't he? __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

05-20-2004, 05:45 AM	#19
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Perhaps somebody indeed has used time instead of pitch count, but what's the theory behind that? And what proves it to be better than pitch count? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.