Scouts and Ratings

acs1970 · 05-14-2004, 03:44 PM

I was reading through this thread:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=64359

and I came up with question. One poster indicated that the talent of a player was lower than his current ability, and asked if that probably indicated a recent drop in potential (talent).

It made me curious--what does the scout affect?? Just talent? Could it be that the scout's "take" on the player is a 5 (for instance), but the player is really a 7?

Does he also play into the actual ratings, as well? Or, are the actual ratings "hard and fast" numbers?

Steve Kuffrey · 05-14-2004, 03:46 PM

The scout effects "perception" not actual talent or ability.

jbmagic · 05-14-2004, 03:59 PM

3 questions..

1) if you have scouts/coach disabled.....when you looking at the player regular rating and talent rating....is it what the average scouts see on both talent and regular rating? its not there true ratings?

2) if so then the player could actually be better or worse than the rating and talent rating i am seeing on the player card because it not there real ratings i am seeing?

3)does this game let u see the true ratings for regular rating and talent rating ? or is it always by what type of scout you have and if you have scout off , you see the average scout thinks for talent and regular rating?

thanks

acs1970 · 05-14-2004, 04:00 PM

Thanks for the reply...but I'm not sure how that perception plays out in the game. Let's assume this:

1. Lang has a "True" talent rating of 6 (on a scale of 1 to 10). I'm referring to the actual, hidden number that reflects his true talent.
2. I have a Legendary Scout for (we'll say) hitters (Lang being a hitter).

Does this mean that when I look at Lang, I'll probably see a 6 for his rating?

What if instead of a Legendary Scout, I have a "Below Average" scout? Does that mean I'd see different numbers in talent, but not a 6?

I realize that the "true" talent and the one displayed may or may not be the same. I'm guessing that the better your scout, the closer the displayed value will be to the true value.

But, does the scout affect the displayed ability as well, or is that always displayed as the true value?

Perhaps to summarize: I know there may be a difference in the "true" score and the "displayed" score.

Does the "true" score ever get displayed?
If not, does the scout affect the deviation of the "displayed" score from the "true" score?
Does the scout affect the display of just talent scores, or does he also affect the display of current ability scores?

I can define True, Displayed, etc., if that would help.

Many, many thanks!

Chad S.

kingcharlesxii · 05-14-2004, 04:39 PM

jb & acs - If scouts are off, you'll see most of the true rating (ie up to 100 if you're using the 1-100 scale). You need to turn on the editor to see ratings above 100 if the player has them

acs - With a Legendary scout you'll probably see 6 for his rating and/or talent, correct. With a worse scout you might see (for exampe) 5 or 7 but he could get it right and see a 6 as well. I haven't tested this in OOTP6 but it was true in OOTP5 and I don't see why they would change it.

Quote:

I'm guessing that the better your scout, the closer the displayed value will be to the true value.

Close. The better the scout, the more likely he'll see the true value and I think he is likely to be closer if he does miss.

Jayzone · 05-14-2004, 04:45 PM

1. For coach/scouts OFF, I believe the *true* rating is being shown. I truns off the setting and check on one team (use player editor), as far as I know, the rating doesn't change when I turn on the editor (player editor always show true rating). Since the average makes mistake pretty much all the time (small and big ones), so I assume coach/scout OFF will show you the true rating.

2. For the effect of scout, the scout effect the perception on both the ability rating and talent rating. There is a possbility for any level of scout to show the exact rating of a player. The difference in the level of scout is that how often do they evaluate right and how big the mistake are they making when they over/under evaluate a player. For a Legendary scout, he is right on target (get exact rating) for a lot of times and if he made a mistake, the mistake won't be too far off at the most of the time. As for a terrible scout, he will make mistakes pretty much every time and the mistake might be big (70 rating seen as 50 rating or so).

3. If you want to see true rating but with scout ON. There are two ways to do it. First, use the player editor to show true ratings. Second, use CSV export (under the league setup menu, misc.) to exprt true rating report.

Hope that helps.

If I made any mistakes, please point it out to me. Thanks.

Jayzone · 05-14-2004, 04:46 PM

kingcharlesxii,

Ah, you beat me to it.

acs1970 · 05-14-2004, 04:47 PM

Cool, thanks King Charles ! ! ! Too bad there isn't an OOTP Cricket, eh? :P

So, scout affects talent (displayed value) but not displayed Abilities, correct?

jbmagic · 05-14-2004, 04:47 PM

kingcharlesxii

you say if scouts are off , you will see most of the true rating....

i tought if scouts are off....you are assign average scouts... so you will still see most of the true rating still?

what rating does scouts on have if its on? rating or talent rating or both?

thanks

acs1970 · 05-14-2004, 04:49 PM

Thanks Jayzone--I keep starting my replies while other's replies are still floating in!

Regards,

Chad S.
St. Louis, MO

Jayzone · 05-14-2004, 04:51 PM

acs1970,

Scouts affect both talent and ability ratings.

So, a player with talent 70, ability 60 could be shown as talent 60, ability 40 if the scout is not so good.

Jayzone · 05-14-2004, 04:56 PM

jbmagic,

The game is designed to show *true* ratings (as far as I can tell) when scout/coach is set to OFF. Now the problem is that the game don't show you rating above maximum scale unlike previous OOTP versions. So, a player with 130 rating will only show up as 100 in display. So, this is the reason why true rating is shown *most of the time* when scout/coach is OFF. In summary, scout/coach OFF will make the game show true rating with the only exception being rating is higher than 100. If you want to see rating above 100, turn on player editor or use CSV export.

Jayzone · 05-14-2004, 05:00 PM

Oh, another thing I see that is being asked.

The rating display in player HTML report can be influenced by scout. Player HTML report shows what is shown in player display/info within game itslef. This also holds true for ALMANAC. So, the report in ALMANAC won't have true rating if you have scout/coach ON.

acs1970 · 05-15-2004, 01:32 AM

Good info. Thanks much!

That does confirm what I've suspected--ratings and talents are affected (at least at presentation time) by scouts. Explains why I can't seem to get a decent trade for a few of these incredible hitters I seem to have--my scout isn't all that good on the team I inherited (solo-manager mode) so it looks like perhaps he's over-estimating abilities (as well as talents). Here's hoping I can bum a few diamonds-in-the-rough off a computer team with an even worse scout! :P

Thanks again to all!

05-14-2004, 03:44 PM	#1
acs1970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 61	Scouts and Ratings I was reading through this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...threadid=64359 and I came up with question. One poster indicated that the talent of a player was lower than his current ability, and asked if that probably indicated a recent drop in potential (talent). It made me curious--what does the scout affect?? Just talent? Could it be that the scout's "take" on the player is a 5 (for instance), but the player is really a 7? Does he also play into the actual ratings, as well? Or, are the actual ratings "hard and fast" numbers? __________________ Chad S.

05-14-2004, 03:46 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	The scout effects "perception" not actual talent or ability. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

05-14-2004, 04:00 PM	#4
acs1970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 61	Thanks for the reply...but I'm not sure how that perception plays out in the game. Let's assume this: 1. Lang has a "True" talent rating of 6 (on a scale of 1 to 10). I'm referring to the actual, hidden number that reflects his true talent. 2. I have a Legendary Scout for (we'll say) hitters (Lang being a hitter). Does this mean that when I look at Lang, I'll probably see a 6 for his rating? What if instead of a Legendary Scout, I have a "Below Average" scout? Does that mean I'd see different numbers in talent, but not a 6? I realize that the "true" talent and the one displayed may or may not be the same. I'm guessing that the better your scout, the closer the displayed value will be to the true value. But, does the scout affect the displayed ability as well, or is that always displayed as the true value? Perhaps to summarize: I know there may be a difference in the "true" score and the "displayed" score. Does the "true" score ever get displayed? If not, does the scout affect the deviation of the "displayed" score from the "true" score? Does the scout affect the display of just talent scores, or does he also affect the display of current ability scores? I can define True, Displayed, etc., if that would help. Many, many thanks! Chad S. __________________ Chad S.

05-14-2004, 04:47 PM	#8
acs1970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 61	Cool, thanks King Charles ! ! ! Too bad there isn't an OOTP Cricket, eh? :P So, scout affects talent (displayed value) but not displayed Abilities, correct? __________________ Chad S.

05-14-2004, 04:49 PM	#10
acs1970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 61	Thanks Jayzone--I keep starting my replies while other's replies are still floating in! Regards, Chad S. St. Louis, MO __________________ Chad S.

05-14-2004, 03:59 PM	#3
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	3 questions.. 1) if you have scouts/coach disabled.....when you looking at the player regular rating and talent rating....is it what the average scouts see on both talent and regular rating? its not there true ratings? 2) if so then the player could actually be better or worse than the rating and talent rating i am seeing on the player card because it not there real ratings i am seeing? 3)does this game let u see the true ratings for regular rating and talent rating ? or is it always by what type of scout you have and if you have scout off , you see the average scout thinks for talent and regular rating? thanks

05-14-2004, 04:45 PM	#6
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	1. For coach/scouts OFF, I believe the true rating is being shown. I truns off the setting and check on one team (use player editor), as far as I know, the rating doesn't change when I turn on the editor (player editor always show true rating). Since the average makes mistake pretty much all the time (small and big ones), so I assume coach/scout OFF will show you the true rating. 2. For the effect of scout, the scout effect the perception on both the ability rating and talent rating. There is a possbility for any level of scout to show the exact rating of a player. The difference in the level of scout is that how often do they evaluate right and how big the mistake are they making when they over/under evaluate a player. For a Legendary scout, he is right on target (get exact rating) for a lot of times and if he made a mistake, the mistake won't be too far off at the most of the time. As for a terrible scout, he will make mistakes pretty much every time and the mistake might be big (70 rating seen as 50 rating or so). 3. If you want to see true rating but with scout ON. There are two ways to do it. First, use the player editor to show true ratings. Second, use CSV export (under the league setup menu, misc.) to exprt true rating report. Hope that helps. If I made any mistakes, please point it out to me. Thanks.

05-14-2004, 04:46 PM	#7
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	kingcharlesxii, Ah, you beat me to it.

05-14-2004, 04:51 PM	#11
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	acs1970, Scouts affect both talent and ability ratings. So, a player with talent 70, ability 60 could be shown as talent 60, ability 40 if the scout is not so good.

05-14-2004, 04:56 PM	#12
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	jbmagic, The game is designed to show true ratings (as far as I can tell) when scout/coach is set to OFF. Now the problem is that the game don't show you rating above maximum scale unlike previous OOTP versions. So, a player with 130 rating will only show up as 100 in display. So, this is the reason why true rating is shown most of the time when scout/coach is OFF. In summary, scout/coach OFF will make the game show true rating with the only exception being rating is higher than 100. If you want to see rating above 100, turn on player editor or use CSV export.

05-14-2004, 05:00 PM	#13
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	Oh, another thing I see that is being asked. The rating display in player HTML report can be influenced by scout. Player HTML report shows what is shown in player display/info within game itslef. This also holds true for ALMANAC. So, the report in ALMANAC won't have true rating if you have scout/coach ON.

05-15-2004, 01:32 AM	#14
acs1970 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 61	Good info. Thanks much! That does confirm what I've suspected--ratings and talents are affected (at least at presentation time) by scouts. Explains why I can't seem to get a decent trade for a few of these incredible hitters I seem to have--my scout isn't all that good on the team I inherited (solo-manager mode) so it looks like perhaps he's over-estimating abilities (as well as talents). Here's hoping I can bum a few diamonds-in-the-rough off a computer team with an even worse scout! :P Thanks again to all! __________________ Chad S.