2-way players?

[Kemp]

I ran a test. I took an average player (a left fielder) and I jacked up his PITCHER ratings (made them 75 across the board) because I wanted to see if OOTP would use him as a pitcher.

After simming some test seasons I’ve come to the conclusion that the game only considers players who’s primary position is pitcher during games. In fact, you can’t even put a position player in the pitching depth chart in the game.

Another factor that is probably affecting this is that position players can’t have Endurance ratings (the game doesn’t show that category for non-pitchers).

Has anyone had any success creating two-way players? If so, how did you do it?

[BrewersFan2003]

Yes, can we have endurance ratings added for at least positional players as well for pitching purposes?... I know that already this season, C Tim Laker has pitched innings for the Indians, as well as the Brewers having a a guy who can both play a positional position and is a bullpen pitcher on the squad as well.
Can this be a part of the game before the final patch is put out that is worked on, because I would like to be able to use two-way players.

[Kemp]

Has anyone been able to figure out a way to do this? That is, create players who are used to hit AND pitch?

I've messed around with a few different ways but none of them have worked. I tend to like to create entirely "different" baseball universes and the one I'm currently working on would have very small rosters which would promote the use of 2-way players.

Thanks.

[kingcharlesxii]

One thing I like is that I have seen draftees in OOTP 6 that could develop as either a pitcher or a hitter. Right now I don't see a way that a player could be used in both roles without manually changing their position with the editor but even this small change definitely makes a difference in non-DH leagues. I've seen pitchers like Mike Hampton who can hit really well and it now affects my evaluation of pitchers.

I think you can change the player's duration if you set his position to P temporarily with the editor. I'm pretty sure it carries over when you set his position to a non-pitcher one, you just can't see it.

[John P. Yuda]

In the minor leagues, I've occasionally put a good-hitting pitcher into outfield roles if there's room in the minor league lineup, they usually learn some minimal range at the position.

You can put them on both the pitching and position depth charts by changing their position as you edit the charts, but the AI doesn't employ them quite how I'd like. If you play each game out, you've obviously got your flexibility there.

This was with v.5, though.

[kingcharlesxii]

In v6, I've seen drafted players come in with fielding ability at P and say LF. They could also hit pretty well. This was a HUGE improvement over v5 and I was glad to see it!

[Kemp]

Originally posted by kingcharlesxii
In v6, I've seen drafted players come in with fielding ability at P and say LF. They could also hit pretty well. This was a HUGE improvement over v5 and I was glad to see it!

But this is all useless if the AI refuses to use those guys in both roles.

Manually swapping their roles every week or so may give the "feel" of a two-way player but it's kind of messy.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally posted by Kemp
But this is all useless if the AI refuses to use those guys in both roles.

Manually swapping their roles every week or so may give the "feel" of a two-way player but it's kind of messy.

It's useless as far as using both roles in a season but I like it giving me the option of having the player develop as a pitcher or a position player. I'd definitely like to see 2-way players but I'm just very happy about this too

[dangarion]

I had a guy I made (for fun) that excelled at pitching and hitting so I put him as the #1 pitcher and my starting first basemen. The interesting part was in v5 it would end up having him hit twice (or so it appeared) since he would end up playing both positions .

[UdderlySexyCowz]

Yeah, for instance, Adam Loewen came out and when he was drafted, Baltimore had to choose between either outfield or pitcher for him. I'd like to have that kind of option with OOTP, if at all possible.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally posted by UdderlySexyCowz
Yeah, for instance, Adam Loewen came out and when he was drafted, Baltimore had to choose between either outfield or pitcher for him. I'd like to have that kind of option with OOTP, if at all possible.

You can with V6.

[UdderlySexyCowz]

But are there ever any players in the draft with legitimate talent both on pitching and in the field?

[Steve Kuffrey]

Currently the game is not designed to allow for a player to be used at both in a regular role. You can adjust somethings are it will work to a degree but this currently isn't part of the game.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally posted by UdderlySexyCowz
But are there ever any players in the draft with legitimate talent both on pitching and in the field?

Yes although I haven't seen a player who is outstanding at both, ala Babe Ruth. I've seen a few guys who could be a 4th OF or a decent middle reliever depending on how I choose to develop them. Some of them have been "What do I need more?" calls since the talents at each were roughly equal, others it was obvious which one was best. I'll try to post an example tonight if I find one.

[UdderlySexyCowz]

Is there an emphasis on "currently" there?

[kingcharlesxii]

Here is one of the guys I am talking about:

http://www.knique.net/ootp/p863.html

His ratings as pitcher are higher because he's been pitching for a long time, not hitting so his talent bumps occurred there. He's also typical in that I haven't seen superstars with good ratings in both.