How many pitchers you set for your pitching rotation?

jbmagic · 04-16-2004, 02:41 AM

How many pitchers you set for your starting pitching rotation?

crackpott · 04-16-2004, 02:52 AM

3 won't work in modern era settings. The game will just throw someone else to act as the 4th starter.

dougk62 · 04-16-2004, 03:00 AM

I have never seen anything or read anything that caused me to believe that innings pitched had any affect on a pitcher other than making him "tired" based on his endurance (i.e. they are not at a greater risk of injury or anything along those lines).

For the roundness of numbers, assume a 160 game season.

4 man rotations each starter gets 40 starts.

5 man rotations each starter gets 32 starts.

I've personally never seen a team or had a team that had a #1 starter who was equal in ability to a #5 guy. Why would I not want my #1 guy on the mound with a chance to lead my team to 8 more victories a season. It can be the difference between the playoffs and 2nd place.

There is really nothing built into the game to discourage the use of 4 man rotations, and until there is, it will be all I ever use.

Mike D · 04-16-2004, 03:13 AM

7

darkhorse · 04-16-2004, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crackpott
3 won't work in modern era settings.

Bill James said it would.

crackpott · 04-16-2004, 03:39 AM

I mean in OOTP.

jbmagic · 05-06-2004, 01:20 PM

bump

rogmax11 · 05-06-2004, 01:31 PM

I use 4, usually, echoing dougk62s' thinking. I'll use 5 if playing 1980-later type ball.

For me its an age thing; I grew up during the 50's and 4-man rotations--with the wonderfully ambivilant term "spot starter" to spice up the mix--was a concept that was burned into my brain. 3-man seems too ancient, 5-man seems too pansified. YMMV.

JPWagner · 05-06-2004, 01:35 PM

I wonder how some of you actually have a choice in setting your pitching rotations...in a thread I started earlier, I brought up that the starting pitchers are tired for one day longer than in previous OOTP versions....all of my starters, except the scheduled starter, are now tired every day of the season....in previous versions, the scheduled day's starter, and the next day's starter, were always ready to pitch....even starters with 9/10 endurance need the extra day before being ready....the bottom line is that I could not set a 4 man, or during post season, 3 man rotation, without using a tired pitcher.....

I should add that I gave it a "hell with it" attitude and pitched a tired Millwood (9/10 endurance) in game 4 of the Division series because I was down 2 games to 1 out of 5....he pulled a muscle in the fourth inning and I lost him for the remainder if the post season...at least I know there are indeed consequences when using a tired pitcher...

...but I did win the series!...

sporr · 05-06-2004, 02:50 PM

I usually go with a 5-man rotation if only to allow my pitchers to last longer into the game. If I have a major injury to someone in my rotation I may go with a 4-man to get me through it.

gordyhulten · 05-06-2004, 02:56 PM

I'd like to use a four-man, but then I find (in OOTP6) that my starters aren't going as deep into games as I'd like, and that if they throw 110+, they're still tired four days later. For example, my ace started 37 games but only 193.2 IP (5.2 IP/GS). Last year, in 26 GS he had 14.1 IP (5.6 IP/GS).

This season I might try a four-man with a spot starter/long reliever at like 10%, or I may switch to a five-man during those long stretches without off days.

obaslg · 05-06-2004, 02:59 PM

Am I missing something? From what I've seen, in v.6 with modern era settings, SP need four off days to recover after each start even if you set a 4-man rotation, and the program will simply choose another starter if you don't have a 5th one listed. I always used a 4-man in v.5, but it looks to me like it's now impossible.

UdderlySexyCowz · 05-06-2004, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Bill James said it would.

It might in theory, but it isn't worth the risk to the arms of your pitchers.

JPWagner · 05-06-2004, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by obaslg
Am I missing something? From what I've seen, in v.6 with modern era settings, SP need four off days to recover after each start even if you set a 4-man rotation, and the program will simply choose another starter if you don't have a 5th one listed. I always used a 4-man in v.5, but it looks to me like it's now impossible.

I guess we are both missing something as no one else here seems to experience what we are writing about.....

UdderlySexyCowz · 05-06-2004, 04:47 PM

Maybe it needs to be set to follow a strict order rather than the highest rested starter? I'm just guessing here.

gordyhulten · 05-06-2004, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by obaslg
Am I missing something? From what I've seen, in v.6 with modern era settings, SP need four off days to recover after each start even if you set a 4-man rotation, and the program will simply choose another starter if you don't have a 5th one listed. I always used a 4-man in v.5, but it looks to me like it's now impossible.

In playing out two seasons, the four-man rotation has worked inconsistently for me. I've been able to start fresh pitchers on 3 days rest, but it's been hit-and-miss, maybe due to pitch counts in the previous starts? I'll keep a closer look this season and see how it goes.

wireman · 05-06-2004, 05:07 PM

All the big baseball brains use the 4-man; I always do the 5-man. Says something about me, I guess.

Really, I suspect it's merely a matter of sampling error, but when I've tried the 4-man (even in v.5), it just hasn't worked for me. So I've gotten kind of superstitious about it, I guess.

Mike D · 05-06-2004, 09:47 PM

I still say 7. At leat with injuries, that's usually how many pitchers start for me in a given year.

Hank Greenberg · 05-06-2004, 09:57 PM

5 man just so im on par with the AI (which will only use a 5 man), dont want to cheat

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Johnny Slick · 05-07-2004, 01:27 AM

While I like and even prefer the 4-man rotation, the idea that it's in any way more traditional than the 5-man is just not true. Really, 4-man rotations only held sway from the early 60s to the late 70s. Before that, teams didn't really use set rotations or at best used something like the "4 and a half man rotation", where the 5th starter was used approximately every other time through.

Even closer to the truth would be to say that set rotations weren't really the norm until the 40s. Prior to that, many teams would use their best pitcher whenever he was relatively available and whenever he was needed - often, in fact, the #1 starter would act as a closer (for example, Lefty Grove led the league in retroactive saves more than once) or come in if the game went to extra innings. This would, of course, cause said starter to miss his "scheduled turn" in the rotation, so very, very rarely did you see guys get 38+ starts between 1920 and 1960.

John Craven

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04-16-2004, 02:52 AM	#2
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	3 won't work in modern era settings. The game will just throw someone else to act as the 4th starter. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

04-16-2004, 03:00 AM	#3
dougk62 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tonganoxie, KS Posts: 304	I have never seen anything or read anything that caused me to believe that innings pitched had any affect on a pitcher other than making him "tired" based on his endurance (i.e. they are not at a greater risk of injury or anything along those lines). For the roundness of numbers, assume a 160 game season. 4 man rotations each starter gets 40 starts. 5 man rotations each starter gets 32 starts. I've personally never seen a team or had a team that had a #1 starter who was equal in ability to a #5 guy. Why would I not want my #1 guy on the mound with a chance to lead my team to 8 more victories a season. It can be the difference between the playoffs and 2nd place. There is really nothing built into the game to discourage the use of 4 man rotations, and until there is, it will be all I ever use. __________________ NABA - Calgary Wolfpack JOBL - Jacksonville Express Creator of Offensive Value Rating Reports

04-16-2004, 03:13 AM	#4
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	7 __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

04-16-2004, 03:39 AM	#6
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	I mean in OOTP. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

04-16-2004, 02:41 AM	#1
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	How many pitchers you set for your pitching rotation? How many pitchers you set for your starting pitching rotation?

05-06-2004, 01:20 PM	#7
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	bump

05-06-2004, 01:31 PM	#8
rogmax11 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,320	I use 4, usually, echoing dougk62s' thinking. I'll use 5 if playing 1980-later type ball. For me its an age thing; I grew up during the 50's and 4-man rotations--with the wonderfully ambivilant term "spot starter" to spice up the mix--was a concept that was burned into my brain. 3-man seems too ancient, 5-man seems too pansified. YMMV.

05-06-2004, 01:35 PM	#9
JPWagner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 200	I wonder how some of you actually have a choice in setting your pitching rotations...in a thread I started earlier, I brought up that the starting pitchers are tired for one day longer than in previous OOTP versions....all of my starters, except the scheduled starter, are now tired every day of the season....in previous versions, the scheduled day's starter, and the next day's starter, were always ready to pitch....even starters with 9/10 endurance need the extra day before being ready....the bottom line is that I could not set a 4 man, or during post season, 3 man rotation, without using a tired pitcher..... I should add that I gave it a "hell with it" attitude and pitched a tired Millwood (9/10 endurance) in game 4 of the Division series because I was down 2 games to 1 out of 5....he pulled a muscle in the fourth inning and I lost him for the remainder if the post season...at least I know there are indeed consequences when using a tired pitcher......but I did win the series!... __________________ Formerly J P Falcon....changing screen names is what happens when you do not write down your password, forget it, and then change your email address! Last edited by JPWagner; 05-06-2004 at 01:38 PM.

05-06-2004, 02:50 PM	#10
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I usually go with a 5-man rotation if only to allow my pitchers to last longer into the game. If I have a major injury to someone in my rotation I may go with a 4-man to get me through it.

05-06-2004, 02:56 PM	#11
gordyhulten All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 1,175	I'd like to use a four-man, but then I find (in OOTP6) that my starters aren't going as deep into games as I'd like, and that if they throw 110+, they're still tired four days later. For example, my ace started 37 games but only 193.2 IP (5.2 IP/GS). Last year, in 26 GS he had 14.1 IP (5.6 IP/GS). This season I might try a four-man with a spot starter/long reliever at like 10%, or I may switch to a five-man during those long stretches without off days. __________________ Gordy Hulten Owner / General Manager Red Willow Roadrunners -- Kennel Series Champions: 1951, 1959, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1983 Dog Days Baseball - "The World's Best Online OOTP League" Creator inactive: Republican League - OOTP 2009 Dynasty inactive: Republican League Dynasty - Version 2.0 inactive: Republican League Dynasty

05-06-2004, 02:59 PM	#12
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Am I missing something? From what I've seen, in v.6 with modern era settings, SP need four off days to recover after each start even if you set a 4-man rotation, and the program will simply choose another starter if you don't have a 5th one listed. I always used a 4-man in v.5, but it looks to me like it's now impossible. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

05-06-2004, 04:47 PM	#15
UdderlySexyCowz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 20	Maybe it needs to be set to follow a strict order rather than the highest rested starter? I'm just guessing here.

05-06-2004, 05:07 PM	#17
wireman All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Harrisonburg VA Posts: 765	All the big baseball brains use the 4-man; I always do the 5-man. Says something about me, I guess. Really, I suspect it's merely a matter of sampling error, but when I've tried the 4-man (even in v.5), it just hasn't worked for me. So I've gotten kind of superstitious about it, I guess. __________________ "Sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't."

05-06-2004, 09:47 PM	#18
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	I still say 7. At leat with injuries, that's usually how many pitchers start for me in a given year. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

05-06-2004, 09:57 PM	#19
Hank Greenberg Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 460	5 man just so im on par with the AI (which will only use a 5 man), dont want to cheat .

05-07-2004, 01:27 AM	#20
Johnny Slick Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,012	While I like and even prefer the 4-man rotation, the idea that it's in any way more traditional than the 5-man is just not true. Really, 4-man rotations only held sway from the early 60s to the late 70s. Before that, teams didn't really use set rotations or at best used something like the "4 and a half man rotation", where the 5th starter was used approximately every other time through. Even closer to the truth would be to say that set rotations weren't really the norm until the 40s. Prior to that, many teams would use their best pitcher whenever he was relatively available and whenever he was needed - often, in fact, the #1 starter would act as a closer (for example, Lefty Grove led the league in retroactive saves more than once) or come in if the game went to extra innings. This would, of course, cause said starter to miss his "scheduled turn" in the rotation, so very, very rarely did you see guys get 38+ starts between 1920 and 1960. John Craven