So frustrating..

neohemp · 04-29-2004, 11:25 PM

I don't know if it's the roster set, or if it's v6, but this is aggravating. I just finished my first season and, the first problem I had was Berkman hit 60 homers.. now this is a possibility, with the right situations and season, Berkman POSSIBLY could hit 60.. but it bothered me. Then I looked at the win leaders.. Kevin Millwood had a 2 week injury, and still managed to go 26-3 with a 2.20 ERA.. I mean COME ON.. right. His stats aren't cranked or anything though.. that's what bothers me, so it almost makes me think that it's v6. Oh yeah.. Ichiro had 98 stolen bases? Riiiight.................... Beltrain had 69, Podsednik had 85, and Reyes had 82.. and Furcal had 72

Wtf?

Mmm.... 98 STOLEN BASES?!!?!

dougk62 · 04-29-2004, 11:29 PM

I don't think version 6 recognizes names. They are saving that for one of the big updates I think.

Henry · 04-29-2004, 11:29 PM

We need settings... it's likely a setting somewhere, I can promise you I've played about 300 seasons so far and haven't seen that.. and what roster set ?

Henry

Steve Kuffrey · 04-29-2004, 11:30 PM

Two words.......

ROSTER SET!

The game doesn't have ANY idea who the players are, LOOK AT THE RATINGS!

neohemp · 04-29-2004, 11:46 PM

I'm using CBL 2.0.. everyone supposedly uses it.. and I've never heard the problem.. and I'm using the default settings.. never chagned anything

98 STOLEN BASES..
Oh hey btw Steve can I borrow some of your social security this week?
>

dougk62 · 04-29-2004, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by neohemp
I'm using CBL 2.0.. everyone supposedly uses it.. and I've never heard the problem.. and I'm using the default settings.. never chagned anything

98 STOLEN BASES..
Oh hey btw Steve can I borrow some of your social security this week?
>

Not "everyone" uses that roster set.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that set created using version 5?

Could there be translation issues when using them with version 6?

Todorojoz · 04-30-2004, 12:22 AM

no version 1.5 was with ootp 5 they fixed it up to make it work properly with v6...thus the name version 2.0

crazyhorsejohnny · 04-30-2004, 12:32 AM

so the only guys you want to see hit 60 hrs are sosa or bonds? how much fun is that.

neohemp · 04-30-2004, 01:01 AM

No, but I don't want Ichiro stealing 98 bases.
I think I can safely say that'll never happen

Plus like, 5 people had 70+ stolen bases? Hmm.

Hence the fact I said that made me angry but was alright.

statfreak · 04-30-2004, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by neohemp
No, but I don't want Ichiro stealing 98 bases.
I think I can safely say that'll never happen

Plus like, 5 people had 70+ stolen bases? Hmm.

Hence the fact I said that made me angry but was alright.

I've never used that roster set or any other one with OOTP6. I also have never seen those kind of numbers. I have yet to see a player hit 50 HR or steal more than 75 bases (even with ERA stealing kick up a notch and player modifiers at +5%).

I believe that roster set is the one that several people have complained about the number of stolen bases. It has been suggested that the ERA steal setting be lowered to get SB to be more like the current MLB. Though, those stolen bases are not out of line for a 1970's/early 80's league.

Based on my own limited experience with OOTP6, it is a roster set issue and not the game itself.

crazyhorsejohnny · 04-30-2004, 01:31 AM

if ichiro played ten years ago he might have stolen 75.

edm · 04-30-2004, 01:55 AM

for realistic steal totals, set stolen bases to "seldom". this was suggested by CBL in several of his posts.

Crapshoot · 04-30-2004, 03:26 AM

Sigh. You're using a roster set, and you're complaining that so and so hit 40 HR's, as if its the game engine's fault somehow ? I think CBL's done a fairly good job, and I would hate too every one who had one sim where Sosa didnt hit 30 HR start a thread to complain like this.

If you want a dead accurate sim with real names, go buy DMB- OOTP is a career sim, not a replay sim. Alternatively, play it with replay mode on.

neohemp · 04-30-2004, 03:44 AM

Ok

obaslg · 04-30-2004, 08:08 AM

Testing something else, I ran three fictional leagues created with v.6. Each had 36 teams, all DH, no injuries, no fatigue, modern era. Individual player achievements were striking:
BA: .395, .422, .420
HR: 59, 66, 56
RBI: 148, 175, 151
R: 148, 153, 137
SB: 53, 47, 52
ERA: 1.46, 1.46, 1.44
Wins: 21, 21, 21
Saves: 48, 43, 45
Ks: 386, 370, 344

Those look like significantly better individiual marks than in reality, in hitting and pitching. The high number of teams may be enough to explain it, though.

dougaiton · 04-30-2004, 08:16 AM

Especially if you did not add any to the player pool, the extra batters/pitchers would be made up by those who were presumably rated terribly because of their lack of ML experience, or were really young kids. The independent variable (i.e. entirely individual performance) here, or at least the variables by the addition of less skilled players, steals and saves, looks relatively sensible.

Krazi · 04-30-2004, 09:00 AM

I bet that's the problem. Look at how the upper-tier of offensive players perform the last few times MLB expanded and diluted the pitching. Want to know why we have several guys routinely hitting over 50 dingers now when that was unheard of in the 70's and 80's.

Malleus Dei · 04-30-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aadik
Sigh. You're using a roster set, and you're complaining that so and so hit 40 HR's, as if its the game engine's fault somehow ? I think CBL's done a fairly good job, and I would hate too every one who had one sim where Sosa didnt hit 30 HR start a thread to complain like this.

If you want a dead accurate sim with real names, go buy DMB- OOTP is a career sim, not a replay sim. Alternatively, play it with replay mode on.

It *really* pains me to write this, but I agree with Aadik.

obaslg · 04-30-2004, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Especially if you did not add any to the player pool, the extra batters/pitchers would be made up by those who were presumably rated terribly because of their lack of ML experience, or were really young kids. The independent variable (i.e. entirely individual performance) here, or at least the variables by the addition of less skilled players, steals and saves, looks relatively sensible.

I assume this was a response to me. What did you mean by "add any to the player pool?" If I start the league with 36 teams, wouldn't the engine create a proportionally higher number of major leaguers?

Regardless, what I was suggesting was that perhaps simply because there were more players, I got more at the extremes.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-30-2004, 10:58 AM

This thread is a prime example of why fictional is so much better. Roster sets themselves are fictional projections of reality.

04-29-2004, 11:25 PM	#1
neohemp All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 551	So frustrating.. I don't know if it's the roster set, or if it's v6, but this is aggravating. I just finished my first season and, the first problem I had was Berkman hit 60 homers.. now this is a possibility, with the right situations and season, Berkman POSSIBLY could hit 60.. but it bothered me. Then I looked at the win leaders.. Kevin Millwood had a 2 week injury, and still managed to go 26-3 with a 2.20 ERA.. I mean COME ON.. right. His stats aren't cranked or anything though.. that's what bothers me, so it almost makes me think that it's v6. Oh yeah.. Ichiro had 98 stolen bases? Riiiight.................... Beltrain had 69, Podsednik had 85, and Reyes had 82.. and Furcal had 72 Wtf? Mmm.... 98 STOLEN BASES?!!?!

04-29-2004, 11:29 PM	#2
dougk62 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tonganoxie, KS Posts: 304	I don't think version 6 recognizes names. They are saving that for one of the big updates I think. __________________ NABA - Calgary Wolfpack JOBL - Jacksonville Express Creator of Offensive Value Rating Reports

04-29-2004, 11:30 PM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Two words....... ROSTER SET! The game doesn't have ANY idea who the players are, LOOK AT THE RATINGS! __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-30-2004, 01:55 AM	#12
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	for realistic steal totals, set stolen bases to "seldom". this was suggested by CBL in several of his posts. Last edited by edm; 04-30-2004 at 01:58 AM.

04-30-2004, 03:26 AM	#13
Crapshoot Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: watching: DArwin's missing link in action Posts: 3,112	Sigh. You're using a roster set, and you're complaining that so and so hit 40 HR's, as if its the game engine's fault somehow ? I think CBL's done a fairly good job, and I would hate too every one who had one sim where Sosa didnt hit 30 HR start a thread to complain like this. If you want a dead accurate sim with real names, go buy DMB- OOTP is a career sim, not a replay sim. Alternatively, play it with replay mode on. __________________ Senior Senor Member of the OOTP Boards Pittsburgh Playmates- OTBL

04-29-2004, 11:29 PM	#3
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	We need settings... it's likely a setting somewhere, I can promise you I've played about 300 seasons so far and haven't seen that.. and what roster set ? Henry

04-29-2004, 11:46 PM	#5
neohemp All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 551	I'm using CBL 2.0.. everyone supposedly uses it.. and I've never heard the problem.. and I'm using the default settings.. never chagned anything 98 STOLEN BASES.. Oh hey btw Steve can I borrow some of your social security this week? >

04-30-2004, 12:22 AM	#7
Todorojoz Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 40	no version 1.5 was with ootp 5 they fixed it up to make it work properly with v6...thus the name version 2.0

04-30-2004, 12:32 AM	#8
crazyhorsejohnny All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 818	so the only guys you want to see hit 60 hrs are sosa or bonds? how much fun is that.

04-30-2004, 01:01 AM	#9
neohemp All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 551	No, but I don't want Ichiro stealing 98 bases. I think I can safely say that'll never happen Plus like, 5 people had 70+ stolen bases? Hmm. Hence the fact I said that made me angry but was alright.

04-30-2004, 01:31 AM	#11
crazyhorsejohnny All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 818	if ichiro played ten years ago he might have stolen 75.

04-30-2004, 03:44 AM	#14
neohemp All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 551	Ok

04-30-2004, 08:08 AM	#15
obaslg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 887	Testing something else, I ran three fictional leagues created with v.6. Each had 36 teams, all DH, no injuries, no fatigue, modern era. Individual player achievements were striking: BA: .395, .422, .420 HR: 59, 66, 56 RBI: 148, 175, 151 R: 148, 153, 137 SB: 53, 47, 52 ERA: 1.46, 1.46, 1.44 Wins: 21, 21, 21 Saves: 48, 43, 45 Ks: 386, 370, 344 Those look like significantly better individiual marks than in reality, in hitting and pitching. The high number of teams may be enough to explain it, though. __________________ Realy good musition of many insterments, including the hyperbolic vitriol.

04-30-2004, 08:16 AM	#16
dougaiton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Location: Posts: 3,414	Especially if you did not add any to the player pool, the extra batters/pitchers would be made up by those who were presumably rated terribly because of their lack of ML experience, or were really young kids. The independent variable (i.e. entirely individual performance) here, or at least the variables by the addition of less skilled players, steals and saves, looks relatively sensible. __________________ tThis shower of clowns My park-adjusted, historically split Born in '69 league file! (also at Joe's wonderful site +BBSC)

04-30-2004, 09:00 AM	#17
Krazi Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 61	I bet that's the problem. Look at how the upper-tier of offensive players perform the last few times MLB expanded and diluted the pitching. Want to know why we have several guys routinely hitting over 50 dingers now when that was unheard of in the 70's and 80's. __________________ Krazi HABLA - Chicago White Sox BBL - Sahara Pride MIBL - Connecticut Yankees

04-30-2004, 10:58 AM	#20
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	This thread is a prime example of why fictional is so much better. Roster sets themselves are fictional projections of reality.