Looking for Trade Offers: Is there an Easier way to...

steady teddy · 04-24-2004, 02:08 PM

Look for the best offer for the player you are trying to trade??

What I mean is that when I want to get the best possible offer for my player, is there a better and quicker method to view the offers from each individual team? I find myself having to write down what Team A is offering because by the time I get to Team Z I forgot if Team A, B, or C had the better offer.

Is there any way to put up multiple windows within OOTP6 to compare the players being offered other than running multiple applications of the game?

Thanks

Steve Kuffrey · 04-24-2004, 05:13 PM

Not currently possible.

Bald Eagles · 04-25-2004, 07:46 PM

I usually scout people I'd want for the guy I'm trying to move, jot them now (incl *'s, pos and contract ($/yr)). This way I know who to look at and try for in a trade. So if I find guy C, and he's about the same stat/rating wise to A and B, has has a longer contract with less money, I'd go for him first.

Lamorak · 04-25-2004, 08:59 PM

The best deal you'll ever get for a player you want to trade will NEVER come from any AI trade offer. So, even if ALL the AI were to simultaneously give ALL their best offers for a player you want to trade, you still wouldn't get the best offer possible. You'd just get the best trade offer from a bad collection of AI offers.

It's kind of like asking a class of 6th graders to recommend the best car you should buy. You'd get a list of 30 suggestions and maybe the best would be good. But that doesn't mean it's the best for you.

Personally, I enter every trade with a pretty good idea of what I want and what I'm willing to give for it. So generally, once I've located a deal offering the kind of guys I'm looking for and at the price I'm willing to pay, I pull the trigger and have done with it. Why would I waste my time trying to get a little tiny bit more? For me, it would seem to imply that I don't have trust in my ability to know a good value when I see it, unless I endlessly shop around for the very best bargin.

Ol'Drippy · 04-27-2004, 04:52 AM

I actully write down most of my trades, and I use the AI offers just to find which teams want whatever I'm selling.

I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that when you offer a player to an AI team in V6 that it doesn't show everyone that the team will give up? A couple of times I've found a team hiding a player (not listing them) that they would give up, normally a high rated prospect. The same when showing who would complete a deal. Even if not everyone, V5 seemed to show a lot more players, and I never found a team hiding a player from me.

Is this just a genuine something to add to the realism of the game, or is something wrong?

LawDawg · 04-27-2004, 11:42 AM

Also, the game allows you to add on money or extra players afterwards and the other team will let you know if the deal is still good. It as if two teams agreed that to trade one player for another and then the other team asks - would you still do it if you paid me an extra $100k, yes you would, okay how about you throw in $200k, you would still, great, how about you add in that one-star prospect, no, okay, how about another $100k . . .

No real negotiation would ever go like this. You just can't ask for a certain amount, see that it is doable and then incrementally ask for more until you get the best possible deal. If one team offered a deal to another and the other agrees, generally thats it or the whole deal is off - it doesn't make sense that after getting their agreement you can continue to ask for more and still get their agreement. Very unrealistic.

This is just one of the trade AI issues.

Maple Leafs · 04-27-2004, 01:13 PM

Drippy: Not sure if that's happening intentional or not, but I think it's a great feature. I don't want to know every player a team would give up, and in fact I didn't really like the feature when it was first added in one of the v5 patches. I'm glad to hear that I can't see every possible trade in that list.

LawDawg: Yes, there really should be a "make offer" button like there is for contract negotiations. Once you make an offer, you can't reduce it without ticking off the other team.

04-24-2004, 02:08 PM	#1
steady teddy Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: Macomb, Michigan Posts: 407	Looking for Trade Offers: Is there an Easier way to... Look for the best offer for the player you are trying to trade?? What I mean is that when I want to get the best possible offer for my player, is there a better and quicker method to view the offers from each individual team? I find myself having to write down what Team A is offering because by the time I get to Team Z I forgot if Team A, B, or C had the better offer. Is there any way to put up multiple windows within OOTP6 to compare the players being offered other than running multiple applications of the game? Thanks

04-24-2004, 05:13 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Not currently possible. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-25-2004, 08:59 PM	#4
Lamorak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 195	The best deal you'll ever get for a player you want to trade will NEVER come from any AI trade offer. So, even if ALL the AI were to simultaneously give ALL their best offers for a player you want to trade, you still wouldn't get the best offer possible. You'd just get the best trade offer from a bad collection of AI offers. It's kind of like asking a class of 6th graders to recommend the best car you should buy. You'd get a list of 30 suggestions and maybe the best would be good. But that doesn't mean it's the best for you. Personally, I enter every trade with a pretty good idea of what I want and what I'm willing to give for it. So generally, once I've located a deal offering the kind of guys I'm looking for and at the price I'm willing to pay, I pull the trigger and have done with it. Why would I waste my time trying to get a little tiny bit more? For me, it would seem to imply that I don't have trust in my ability to know a good value when I see it, unless I endlessly shop around for the very best bargin. Last edited by Lamorak; 04-25-2004 at 09:05 PM.

04-27-2004, 04:52 AM	#5
Ol'Drippy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 190	I actully write down most of my trades, and I use the AI offers just to find which teams want whatever I'm selling. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that when you offer a player to an AI team in V6 that it doesn't show everyone that the team will give up? A couple of times I've found a team hiding a player (not listing them) that they would give up, normally a high rated prospect. The same when showing who would complete a deal. Even if not everyone, V5 seemed to show a lot more players, and I never found a team hiding a player from me. Is this just a genuine something to add to the realism of the game, or is something wrong? __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin

04-25-2004, 07:46 PM	#3
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	I usually scout people I'd want for the guy I'm trying to move, jot them now (incl *'s, pos and contract ($/yr)). This way I know who to look at and try for in a trade. So if I find guy C, and he's about the same stat/rating wise to A and B, has has a longer contract with less money, I'd go for him first.

04-27-2004, 11:42 AM	#6
LawDawg Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 49	Also, the game allows you to add on money or extra players afterwards and the other team will let you know if the deal is still good. It as if two teams agreed that to trade one player for another and then the other team asks - would you still do it if you paid me an extra $100k, yes you would, okay how about you throw in $200k, you would still, great, how about you add in that one-star prospect, no, okay, how about another $100k . . . No real negotiation would ever go like this. You just can't ask for a certain amount, see that it is doable and then incrementally ask for more until you get the best possible deal. If one team offered a deal to another and the other agrees, generally thats it or the whole deal is off - it doesn't make sense that after getting their agreement you can continue to ask for more and still get their agreement. Very unrealistic. This is just one of the trade AI issues.

04-27-2004, 01:13 PM	#7
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	Drippy: Not sure if that's happening intentional or not, but I think it's a great feature. I don't want to know every player a team would give up, and in fact I didn't really like the feature when it was first added in one of the v5 patches. I'm glad to hear that I can't see every possible trade in that list. LawDawg: Yes, there really should be a "make offer" button like there is for contract negotiations. Once you make an offer, you can't reduce it without ticking off the other team.