Historical League Settings Question

Nykav · 04-24-2004, 11:59 AM

I recently started a historical league beginning in 1901, aiming to replay as accurately as possible the MLB history.

When I analysed some teams, based on the computer managed done by OOTP6, I've found some strange things. One example is Frank Chance of the Orphans starting at C.
I know he played some games at that position in real life, but the majority of his games were at RF.

I also know that you can modify the player evaluation AI set up in the "Engine Setup" section. Has anybody some advices on which "weights" to address to the different categories, in order to get the most realistic result?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Henry · 04-24-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Nykav
I also know that you can modify the player evaluation AI set up in the "Engine Setup" section. Has anybody some advices on which "weights" to address to the different categories, in order to get the most realistic result?

Currently being tested and worked on by a number of us

Henry

Eugene Church · 04-24-2004, 03:35 PM

I knew in OOTP5 that a "6" in batting average would results in a .285 to .300 average...that a "5" in strikeouts while batting would result in about 100 strikeouts per 550 at bats...that a "5" would give a pitcher about 5 strikeouts per nine innings...that a "3" in home runs would give the hitter about 10 home runs per 550 at bats.

I am bewildered with OOTP6 and have posted several times for someone to explain the ratings so that when we create a custom player or edit ratings for historical players when it is necessary to adjust their ratings. Lahman and Ankit databases require editing for the players ratings to be accurate...although Ankit's is far superior to Lahman and require far fewer edits.

Sure hope someone will give us some knowledge on it.

Sure hope the manual will give us some help.

In the meantime, I have set up this scale to help me edit ratings for my alltime allstar league using Ankit's Career Database:

This is not scientific, just one I designed by looking at player ratings that I imported and trying to get some idea of the ratings ranges.

Contact:
.000-.200...0-19 = 1 (.100 would be 10 on the 100 scale)
.200-.259..20-39= 2 (.230 would be 30 on the 100 scale)
.260-.300..40-59= 3 (.280 would be 50 on the 100 scale)
.300-.329..60-79 =4 (.315 would be 70 on the 100 scale)
.330 plus...80 plus = 5 (Ted Williams was given 87 in contact by the database for .344 average...but Tris Speaker got a 98 for .345...Wade Boggs a 77 for .327)

I created a scale for Gap Power, HR power, Eye, Avoid SO for hitters...and one for pitchers for Stuff, Control and Movement.

It's unscientific and just based a very small sample...I'm no mathematician. Just took the ratings that a player was imported with and made a scale based on that.

If anyone is interested I will post all categories of the above.

I am still putting rosters together and have not tested this scale yet. It will take about 10 more days to get all 20 teams put together and import the players and adjust their ratings.

Eugene Church · 04-24-2004, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nykav
I recently started a historical league beginning in 1901, aiming to replay as accurately as possible the MLB history.

When I analysed some teams, based on the computer managed done by OOTP6, I've found some strange things. One example is Frank Chance of the Orphans starting at C.
I know he played some games at that position in real life, but the majority of his games were at RF.

Chance was a catcher as a rookie, I think. Jimmy Foxx was a catcher as rookie.

Keep in mind, historical players don't always perform in OOTPB as in real life.

Nykav · 04-24-2004, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Currently being tested and worked on by a number of us

Henry

Thanks for the response. I'm really interested in the results

Nykav · 04-24-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eugene Church
Chance was a catcher as a rookie, I think. Jimmy Foxx was a catcher as rookie.

Keep in mind, historical players don't always perform in OOTPB as in real life.

Thanks for the response. I saw some strange things too when I was doing historical leagues in ootp5 using the Lahman database. But this time there were more than one and rather strange ones. Basically benching good players in favor of unproven, modesty rated prospects, often quite unknown.
I thought it was maybe related to the new system used in ootp6, weighting 4 different criteria to make the computer decide who he plays in what situation.

I would be interested in the tests you did and plan to do in your previous post

. Thanks again for your comments.

Alex

Eugene Church · 04-24-2004, 10:29 PM

Henry and sporr just told me in another thread about ratings that I should set the game to the OOTP5 Engine and adjust the ratings there, then switch to the OOTP6 Engine. Henry said this will work.

I am thoroughly familiar with OOTP5 ratings system and this will go much quicker than trying to figure out the OOTP6 ratings system.

Maybe you should try it.

There is a manual for OOTP5 which does a decent job of explaining the ratings.

If you want, I will post the batting scale I came up with for OOTP6.
It seems to work well...although not perfectly.

The pitching ratings don't seem to corrulate as well as the batting, so it would be useless and a waste of time to even try at this point.

04-24-2004, 11:59 AM	#1
Nykav Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 30	Historical League Settings Question I recently started a historical league beginning in 1901, aiming to replay as accurately as possible the MLB history. When I analysed some teams, based on the computer managed done by OOTP6, I've found some strange things. One example is Frank Chance of the Orphans starting at C. I know he played some games at that position in real life, but the majority of his games were at RF. I also know that you can modify the player evaluation AI set up in the "Engine Setup" section. Has anybody some advices on which "weights" to address to the different categories, in order to get the most realistic result? Thanks in advance for your help!

04-24-2004, 03:35 PM	#3
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,047	I knew in OOTP5 that a "6" in batting average would results in a .285 to .300 average...that a "5" in strikeouts while batting would result in about 100 strikeouts per 550 at bats...that a "5" would give a pitcher about 5 strikeouts per nine innings...that a "3" in home runs would give the hitter about 10 home runs per 550 at bats. I am bewildered with OOTP6 and have posted several times for someone to explain the ratings so that when we create a custom player or edit ratings for historical players when it is necessary to adjust their ratings. Lahman and Ankit databases require editing for the players ratings to be accurate...although Ankit's is far superior to Lahman and require far fewer edits. Sure hope someone will give us some knowledge on it. Sure hope the manual will give us some help. In the meantime, I have set up this scale to help me edit ratings for my alltime allstar league using Ankit's Career Database: This is not scientific, just one I designed by looking at player ratings that I imported and trying to get some idea of the ratings ranges. Contact: .000-.200...0-19 = 1 (.100 would be 10 on the 100 scale) .200-.259..20-39= 2 (.230 would be 30 on the 100 scale) .260-.300..40-59= 3 (.280 would be 50 on the 100 scale) .300-.329..60-79 =4 (.315 would be 70 on the 100 scale) .330 plus...80 plus = 5 (Ted Williams was given 87 in contact by the database for .344 average...but Tris Speaker got a 98 for .345...Wade Boggs a 77 for .327) I created a scale for Gap Power, HR power, Eye, Avoid SO for hitters...and one for pitchers for Stuff, Control and Movement. It's unscientific and just based a very small sample...I'm no mathematician. Just took the ratings that a player was imported with and made a scale based on that. If anyone is interested I will post all categories of the above. I am still putting rosters together and have not tested this scale yet. It will take about 10 more days to get all 20 teams put together and import the players and adjust their ratings. Last edited by Eugene Church; 04-24-2004 at 04:43 PM.

04-24-2004, 10:29 PM	#7
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 36,047	Henry and sporr just told me in another thread about ratings that I should set the game to the OOTP5 Engine and adjust the ratings there, then switch to the OOTP6 Engine. Henry said this will work. I am thoroughly familiar with OOTP5 ratings system and this will go much quicker than trying to figure out the OOTP6 ratings system. Maybe you should try it. There is a manual for OOTP5 which does a decent job of explaining the ratings. If you want, I will post the batting scale I came up with for OOTP6. It seems to work well...although not perfectly. The pitching ratings don't seem to corrulate as well as the batting, so it would be useless and a waste of time to even try at this point. Last edited by Eugene Church; 04-24-2004 at 10:31 PM.