Annoying fouls in PbP.

tommach · 04-15-2004, 11:39 AM

I'm usually a simmer most of the time, except for playoffs, and recently I've been doing radio broadcasts of World Series games for my online league, and what really annoys me are the repeated foul balls during PbP.

Are they annoying to you and if so, does anyone know if that is going to be fixed in V6

thanks

JPWagner · 04-15-2004, 11:41 AM

This had been mentioned more than once but I never read anything from a developer or tester that they considered it an issue and were going to address it.........

briantalbot · 04-15-2004, 11:46 AM

Do you think that there are more fouls than in real life?

JPWagner · 04-15-2004, 11:54 AM

I think the issue is the constant clicking and reclicking to get the final result which slows down game play when you are playing full seasons game by game....now there might be some who change their batting instruction after a foul ball or two so the need for each pitch may be necessary but I wouldn't mind an option where you can simply read that the batter fouled off X number of balls before reading the result of the at bat...the pitchers pitch count would then reflect the number of foul balls mentioned....as an option only though.....

tommach · 04-15-2004, 12:02 PM

I don't mind a foul ball every once in a while for variety, but when I have to click five or six times to get to the action pitch, it really takes away from the flow of the game. It's even more pronounced when you're announcing the game for a radio broadcast.

cshigh · 04-15-2004, 12:04 PM

Foul balls are a part of the game. It doesn't take that long to click through it.

tommach · 04-15-2004, 12:11 PM

I agree, and if the PbP was pitch by pitch then I wouldn't have a problem, but since the PbP is the action pitch, then they should happen less often.

(Translated into Government speak)
I will have to look into your evaluation of your comments, and if PbP was PbP then I, meaning we the people, wouldn't have a problem, but since the PbP is TAP, then they, meaning those of us not we, it should, by congressional law, happen less often.

Dreamscape · 04-15-2004, 12:21 PM

The only thing I'd like to see is that after a certain number of pitches an at-bat, the batter's chances of getting a hit improves. When you see six-eight pitches in an at-bat, you've seen all the pitcher can possibly throw at you.

But foul balls can made an at-bat, especially in a pressure-packed situation (tying run on second in a one-run ballgame late in the game) very stressful, but in a good way.

ctorg · 04-15-2004, 12:23 PM

The foul balls can be annoying sometimes.

drprestwood · 04-15-2004, 12:31 PM

I find the foul balls incredibly annoying since we're not in a pitch-by-pitch system. If I'm seeing fouls, I should be seeing balls and other strikes.

theasfl · 04-15-2004, 12:32 PM

I dont think it would be a problem if the play by plays were actually pitch by pitch.... or could at least be set that way as a customization... but pitch by pitch would take a long ass time to broadcast

tommach · 04-15-2004, 12:36 PM

I agree that pitch by pitch would take a long time and pbp is fine but lets limit the amount of fouls. I mean sure a ball hit down the line deep could keep your interest if the same pbp isn't used everytime and everytime it is a foul ball. If one time it's foul and then the next time, with almost the same wording, it's fair, then that would make sense and heighten the drama, but not repetitive fouls.

Bald Eagles · 04-15-2004, 01:43 PM

I agree on both sides. While fouls are a part of the game, and should be in there, they shouldn't happens 5 times in a row before getting the play. Yes, it does happen in MLB, but not usually more than three per pa. And in OOTP pbp, you only have a foul with two strikes. Fouls never occur as a first strike, meaning there's already anywhere from a 0-1 count to a full count before it pauses for a foul ball. While this is because its play by play not pitch by pitch, changes to the foul algorithm would be welcomed.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-15-2004, 01:53 PM

The situation with "foul balls" has not changed since v5.

drprestwood · 04-15-2004, 03:51 PM

v7?

Seriously, this is the worst part of playing out games for me. It's beyond annoying...it's obnoxious.

tommach · 04-15-2004, 04:54 PM

Just like the French.

statfreak · 04-15-2004, 05:09 PM

JPWagner already touched upon my view of how it should work, but I need my +1...

I'm all for having foul balls in the game, they need to be there... but they need to be a part of the play by play, not something that causes the user to reselect their batting/pitching options...

if I choose to swing away, the play by play should read...

1-2 count...

here's the pitch...

foul ball...

foul ball...

foul ball....

foul ball...

batter singles up the middle... (or batter strikes out...)

I shouldn't be forced to reclick 5 times for 1 stupid at-bat...

CareyScurry · 04-15-2004, 06:22 PM

I like the foul balls.
If you want to talk long at bats, check out Frank Thomas vs. Darrell May, first inning.

JPWagner · 04-15-2004, 06:27 PM

Reading this thread about so many foul balls has me thinking about taking a shower!

briantalbot · 04-15-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JPWagner
I think the issue is the constant clicking and reclicking to get the final result which slows down game play when you are playing full seasons game by game

Ahhh...gotcha. I wondered why someone would have issue with fouls

04-15-2004, 11:39 AM	#1
tommach Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 140	Annoying fouls in PbP. I'm usually a simmer most of the time, except for playoffs, and recently I've been doing radio broadcasts of World Series games for my online league, and what really annoys me are the repeated foul balls during PbP. Are they annoying to you and if so, does anyone know if that is going to be fixed in V6 thanks __________________ www.atbat.net commish/Phil A's wwbl houston astros nsbl colorado rockies babl NY Giants

04-15-2004, 11:41 AM	#2
JPWagner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 200	This had been mentioned more than once but I never read anything from a developer or tester that they considered it an issue and were going to address it......... __________________ Formerly J P Falcon....changing screen names is what happens when you do not write down your password, forget it, and then change your email address!

04-15-2004, 11:46 AM	#3
briantalbot Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Eureka, CA Posts: 23	Do you think that there are more fouls than in real life? __________________ -------- Brian Talbot BTTF-St Louis FAST-San Francisco TWBL-Anaheim

04-15-2004, 11:54 AM	#4
JPWagner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 200	I think the issue is the constant clicking and reclicking to get the final result which slows down game play when you are playing full seasons game by game....now there might be some who change their batting instruction after a foul ball or two so the need for each pitch may be necessary but I wouldn't mind an option where you can simply read that the batter fouled off X number of balls before reading the result of the at bat...the pitchers pitch count would then reflect the number of foul balls mentioned....as an option only though..... __________________ Formerly J P Falcon....changing screen names is what happens when you do not write down your password, forget it, and then change your email address!

04-15-2004, 12:02 PM	#5
tommach Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 140	I don't mind a foul ball every once in a while for variety, but when I have to click five or six times to get to the action pitch, it really takes away from the flow of the game. It's even more pronounced when you're announcing the game for a radio broadcast. __________________ www.atbat.net commish/Phil A's wwbl houston astros nsbl colorado rockies babl NY Giants

04-15-2004, 12:04 PM	#6
cshigh All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ludlow, KY Posts: 508	Foul balls are a part of the game. It doesn't take that long to click through it.

04-15-2004, 12:11 PM	#7
tommach Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 140	I agree, and if the PbP was pitch by pitch then I wouldn't have a problem, but since the PbP is the action pitch, then they should happen less often. (Translated into Government speak) I will have to look into your evaluation of your comments, and if PbP was PbP then I, meaning we the people, wouldn't have a problem, but since the PbP is TAP, then they, meaning those of us not we, it should, by congressional law, happen less often. __________________ www.atbat.net commish/Phil A's wwbl houston astros nsbl colorado rockies babl NY Giants

04-15-2004, 12:21 PM	#8
Dreamscape Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 92	The only thing I'd like to see is that after a certain number of pitches an at-bat, the batter's chances of getting a hit improves. When you see six-eight pitches in an at-bat, you've seen all the pitcher can possibly throw at you. But foul balls can made an at-bat, especially in a pressure-packed situation (tying run on second in a one-run ballgame late in the game) very stressful, but in a good way.

04-15-2004, 12:23 PM	#9
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	The foul balls can be annoying sometimes. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-15-2004, 12:31 PM	#10
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I find the foul balls incredibly annoying since we're not in a pitch-by-pitch system. If I'm seeing fouls, I should be seeing balls and other strikes.

04-15-2004, 12:32 PM	#11
theasfl Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Coral Springs, FL or Orlando, FL (UCF) Posts: 7,988	I dont think it would be a problem if the play by plays were actually pitch by pitch.... or could at least be set that way as a customization... but pitch by pitch would take a long ass time to broadcast __________________ All-Sports Fantasy League The ASFL 22 different games, 9 sports. Please check out the website (www.theasfl.com/asfl2/). The league is free- if you're interested please fill out the signup form and/or email the commissioner. Miami Talons (ABL): 2004, 2005 & 2008 Champs

04-15-2004, 12:36 PM	#12
tommach Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 140	I agree that pitch by pitch would take a long time and pbp is fine but lets limit the amount of fouls. I mean sure a ball hit down the line deep could keep your interest if the same pbp isn't used everytime and everytime it is a foul ball. If one time it's foul and then the next time, with almost the same wording, it's fair, then that would make sense and heighten the drama, but not repetitive fouls. __________________ www.atbat.net commish/Phil A's wwbl houston astros nsbl colorado rockies babl NY Giants

04-15-2004, 01:43 PM	#13
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	I agree on both sides. While fouls are a part of the game, and should be in there, they shouldn't happens 5 times in a row before getting the play. Yes, it does happen in MLB, but not usually more than three per pa. And in OOTP pbp, you only have a foul with two strikes. Fouls never occur as a first strike, meaning there's already anywhere from a 0-1 count to a full count before it pauses for a foul ball. While this is because its play by play not pitch by pitch, changes to the foul algorithm would be welcomed.

04-15-2004, 01:53 PM	#14
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	The situation with "foul balls" has not changed since v5. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-15-2004, 03:51 PM	#15
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	v7? Seriously, this is the worst part of playing out games for me. It's beyond annoying...it's obnoxious.

04-15-2004, 04:54 PM	#16
tommach Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 140	Just like the French. __________________ www.atbat.net commish/Phil A's wwbl houston astros nsbl colorado rockies babl NY Giants

04-15-2004, 05:09 PM	#17
statfreak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 2,434	JPWagner already touched upon my view of how it should work, but I need my +1... I'm all for having foul balls in the game, they need to be there... but they need to be a part of the play by play, not something that causes the user to reselect their batting/pitching options... if I choose to swing away, the play by play should read... 1-2 count... here's the pitch... foul ball... foul ball... foul ball.... foul ball... batter singles up the middle... (or batter strikes out...) I shouldn't be forced to reclick 5 times for 1 stupid at-bat... __________________ Roll out the barrel!

04-15-2004, 06:22 PM	#18
CareyScurry Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NC Posts: 109	I like the foul balls. If you want to talk long at bats, check out Frank Thomas vs. Darrell May, first inning.

04-15-2004, 06:27 PM	#19
JPWagner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 200	Reading this thread about so many foul balls has me thinking about taking a shower! __________________ Formerly J P Falcon....changing screen names is what happens when you do not write down your password, forget it, and then change your email address!