Mac Version?

Zweiblumen · 04-07-2004, 10:52 PM

I know it has been discussed on and of from time to time, but I'd like to raise the question of a Mac version of ootp again.

I know that porting an app, especially one as gui driven as ootp, to a different platform is a real nightmare, but there is a project called Darwine that is working on porting Wine and WineLib to Os X. According to their FAQ at http://darwine.opendarwin.org/faq.php:

"While the basic compatibility is there as Darwin is largely FreeBSD, there is the hurdle of its Mach kernel which uses the Mach-O format rather than ELF. This part has been achived with success. It means that WineLib is now working on Mac OS X, and that developers should be able to recompile their Win32 Apps using WineLib and make them work in Mac OS X"

Now, I don't know how easy this recompilation would be, but I would be psyched if sometime (well after the release we're all anxiously awaiting) if you guys could give it a shot and see if it is doable with a minimum amount of effort....

I know there is a lot to do just to keep the game improving from year to year, but there are no (and I'm not exaggerating here, I tried hard to find one) NO stat based baseball sims for the mac platform. Not a single one. I have no idea how many mac users there are out there who would like to play ootp and can't, but this is a real shame.

Of course, if the folks over at Darwine are successful then we may someday be able to run x86 binaries natively in OsX, but that is a ways off.

s8n666 · 04-07-2004, 11:02 PM

buy a pc

+1

Chappy · 04-07-2004, 11:04 PM

I think some other threads on this topic point to a lack of e-license compatability on Macs as an additional problem.

HolyCow98 · 04-07-2004, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s8n666
buy a pc

+1

Very helpful...

Yeah..I think I remember the thread Chappy is referring to. It doesn't appear to be compatable with the eLicense system.

Zweiblumen · 04-07-2004, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s8n666
buy a pc

+1

I'm actually one of the lucky few who has both a pc and a mac, so at least I can play ootp, but I think the out of hand "buy a pc" is sort of a poor response. It couldn't hurt to look into getting the game onto Macs....anything that increases the user base strenthens the community and the game itself. Yes, I understand that if I want to play games that only exist for the PC then I have to sit down at my PC, but since we have some degree of interaction with the folks who actually create this game around here I figure I might as well express interest.

OOTP might as well move in on the Mac market and lock it up before a cross platform competetor comes along :P

Zweiblumen · 04-07-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by s8n666
buy a pc

+1

Oh, I forgot...

This is a touch off topic, but I'm newish to these boards and I don't understand this +1 thing I see from time to time...can someone explain that?

HolyCow98 · 04-07-2004, 11:32 PM

There is no real point to a +1...

When some one post a +1...they are referring to "+1 more post to my post count" waste of time...if you ask me...

For what it is worth...a couple of versions ago, I believe OOTP3, Markus had looked into the interest of a MAC version...but along the way found it was incompatible with the eLicense system. So I believe until a better system is found to distribute the game other than the eLicense system and current method...than the MAC version is on the shelf for the time being at least.

Bald Eagles · 04-08-2004, 01:38 AM

Virtual PC 6 emulates Windows 2000 very easily on Panther (10.3). I don't have it on my powerbook (otherwise I'd try it), but the network manager uses it without a problem. I don't see why elicense won't work on VPC.

And yes, it's one more thing for Steve to redirect whiners at (talk to VPC or elicense, NOT US!!!)

Henry · 04-08-2004, 07:46 AM

Just a side thought (and it's certainly not meant as a slam to Mac owners, I have one too) but with all the awareness that Markus works alone on this game and the recent discussions on the V6 release, it's a bit amusing that the suggestion of a Mac version comes up

The guys do have it right, however. eLicense is not compatible on a Mac and to be honest, I'm sure Markus has not had the time to investigate Virtual PC. This is another one of those things that might find its way into the mix at some point - but not now

Henry

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2004, 08:56 AM

right.

I think the elicense was one factor, but I think the bigger factor was the time Markus didn't have to devote to such a project.

adamgould · 04-08-2004, 09:26 AM

IMO, The only reason to have a MAC is if you are in design.

Rubilario · 04-08-2004, 09:32 AM

Draw pictures on MAC, don't play this game.

Want to play this? Buy a PC.

John P. Yuda · 04-08-2004, 10:29 AM

eLicense doesn't work with Virtual PC. At least, it didn't used to. I've got a mac at home, and no luck when I last tried (maybe 18 months ago or so).

Luckily, my fiancee has a PC, so I can still play.

Draft Dodger · 04-08-2004, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by adamgould
IMO, The only reason to have a MAC is if you are in design.

your opininion is appreciated, even if it is incorrect.

Zweiblumen · 04-08-2004, 12:29 PM

I think some people misread or misunderstood my original post, so please go take a closer look at it, and please notice:

1) I point out that I realize that porting can be VERY difficult

2) I note that there is already a lot of work to do on the game, and I realize that a mac version is not a priority

3) I am trying to make people aware of a new library that, in some cases, make porting as easy as a recompilation and bringing up the possibility that OOTP might benefit from this library

Also, (sorry for this off topic bit) the view that Macs are only good for graphics is an outdated one. 5 or 10 years ago this may have been accurate, but they have changed. I am a Linux guy myself, and to me Os X gives the perfect mix of flexibility and usability. I can compile all my favorite open source apps, but I also don't have to fight with the system to get basic things to work.

As for Virtual PC, I've heard very mixed reviews of it, and it is pretty expensive. I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who thinks VPC is worth $200 (email me) All this is moot of course, as eLicense doesn't seem to like it.

birdsofprey02 · 04-08-2004, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HolyCow98
There is no real point to a +1...

When some one post a +1...they are referring to "+1 more post to my post count" waste of time...if you ask me...

+1

John P. Yuda · 04-08-2004, 03:10 PM

VPC isn't worth the money unless work buys it for you, like they did for me. And it's not very good anyway. Quite slow, even on a very powerful mac.

JRP · 04-08-2004, 05:29 PM

I've been playing OOTP on my mac since version 2 using Virtual PC.

rcbuss · 04-08-2004, 06:38 PM

So you're able to use e-license on your mac, with OOTP and Virtual PC? I'm not a mac owner, but I think everyone here who is would like to know how you did it.

JRP · 04-08-2004, 06:51 PM

For OOTP 5, I installed Virtual PC with Win XP Pro. I made sure everything was working right with XP (connecting to the net. etc). I downloaded OOTP5, clicked on the icon and followed the instructions. The only version of OOTP I had trouble with was version 4 and even then I found a weird way to get it started and after that, I hardly ever quitted the game and instead I saved the PC State in Virtual PC.

In case you are wondering I don't use a monster machine. IMac DV + 450mhz 384 meg using OS X.3 Panther.

04-07-2004, 10:52 PM	#1
Zweiblumen Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 326	Mac Version? I know it has been discussed on and of from time to time, but I'd like to raise the question of a Mac version of ootp again. I know that porting an app, especially one as gui driven as ootp, to a different platform is a real nightmare, but there is a project called Darwine that is working on porting Wine and WineLib to Os X. According to their FAQ at http://darwine.opendarwin.org/faq.php: "While the basic compatibility is there as Darwin is largely FreeBSD, there is the hurdle of its Mach kernel which uses the Mach-O format rather than ELF. This part has been achived with success. It means that WineLib is now working on Mac OS X, and that developers should be able to recompile their Win32 Apps using WineLib and make them work in Mac OS X" Now, I don't know how easy this recompilation would be, but I would be psyched if sometime (well after the release we're all anxiously awaiting) if you guys could give it a shot and see if it is doable with a minimum amount of effort.... I know there is a lot to do just to keep the game improving from year to year, but there are no (and I'm not exaggerating here, I tried hard to find one) NO stat based baseball sims for the mac platform. Not a single one. I have no idea how many mac users there are out there who would like to play ootp and can't, but this is a real shame. Of course, if the folks over at Darwine are successful then we may someday be able to run x86 binaries natively in OsX, but that is a ways off.

04-07-2004, 11:04 PM	#3
Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	I think some other threads on this topic point to a lack of e-license compatability on Macs as an additional problem. __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

04-07-2004, 11:32 PM	#7
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	There is no real point to a +1... When some one post a +1...they are referring to "+1 more post to my post count" waste of time...if you ask me... For what it is worth...a couple of versions ago, I believe OOTP3, Markus had looked into the interest of a MAC version...but along the way found it was incompatible with the eLicense system. So I believe until a better system is found to distribute the game other than the eLicense system and current method...than the MAC version is on the shelf for the time being at least. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

04-08-2004, 08:56 AM	#10
Draft Dodger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: formerly of the OTBL Posts: 4,113	right. I think the elicense was one factor, but I think the bigger factor was the time Markus didn't have to devote to such a project. __________________ Draft Dodger (Anarchy: Anything goes. The Draft Dodger viewpoint.) Sophmoric[sic] Member of the OOTP Boards (It's not OOTP; it's your computer) 15 GB Webhosting for $6.95 a month IMO we are best off abandoning that sinking ship that is Off Topic to the rats infesting it and just starting a whole new Baseball Forum from scratch.

04-08-2004, 09:26 AM	#11
adamgould Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16	IMO, The only reason to have a MAC is if you are in design. __________________ http://www.thegabl.com adamgould@yahoo.com AOL IM: commissionerGABL

04-07-2004, 11:02 PM	#2
s8n666 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 73	buy a pc +1

04-08-2004, 01:38 AM	#8
Bald Eagles Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Waveland & Sheffield Posts: 402	Virtual PC 6 emulates Windows 2000 very easily on Panther (10.3). I don't have it on my powerbook (otherwise I'd try it), but the network manager uses it without a problem. I don't see why elicense won't work on VPC. And yes, it's one more thing for Steve to redirect whiners at (talk to VPC or elicense, NOT US!!!)

04-08-2004, 07:46 AM	#9
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Just a side thought (and it's certainly not meant as a slam to Mac owners, I have one too) but with all the awareness that Markus works alone on this game and the recent discussions on the V6 release, it's a bit amusing that the suggestion of a Mac version comes up The guys do have it right, however. eLicense is not compatible on a Mac and to be honest, I'm sure Markus has not had the time to investigate Virtual PC. This is another one of those things that might find its way into the mix at some point - but not now Henry

04-08-2004, 09:32 AM	#12
Rubilario Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 41	Draw pictures on MAC, don't play this game. Want to play this? Buy a PC. __________________ CBL Commissioner HFBL Commissioner FDBL Commissioner EBL Co-Commissioner LOYO Consultant

04-08-2004, 10:29 AM	#13
John P. Yuda Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 177	eLicense doesn't work with Virtual PC. At least, it didn't used to. I've got a mac at home, and no luck when I last tried (maybe 18 months ago or so). Luckily, my fiancee has a PC, so I can still play.

04-08-2004, 12:29 PM	#15
Zweiblumen Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 326	I think some people misread or misunderstood my original post, so please go take a closer look at it, and please notice: 1) I point out that I realize that porting can be VERY difficult 2) I note that there is already a lot of work to do on the game, and I realize that a mac version is not a priority 3) I am trying to make people aware of a new library that, in some cases, make porting as easy as a recompilation and bringing up the possibility that OOTP might benefit from this library Also, (sorry for this off topic bit) the view that Macs are only good for graphics is an outdated one. 5 or 10 years ago this may have been accurate, but they have changed. I am a Linux guy myself, and to me Os X gives the perfect mix of flexibility and usability. I can compile all my favorite open source apps, but I also don't have to fight with the system to get basic things to work. As for Virtual PC, I've heard very mixed reviews of it, and it is pretty expensive. I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who thinks VPC is worth $200 (email me) All this is moot of course, as eLicense doesn't seem to like it.

04-08-2004, 03:10 PM	#17
John P. Yuda Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 177	VPC isn't worth the money unless work buys it for you, like they did for me. And it's not very good anyway. Quite slow, even on a very powerful mac.

04-08-2004, 05:29 PM	#18
JRP Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mirabel, Quebec Posts: 357	I've been playing OOTP on my mac since version 2 using Virtual PC.

04-08-2004, 06:38 PM	#19
rcbuss Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mauston, WI Posts: 226	So you're able to use e-license on your mac, with OOTP and Virtual PC? I'm not a mac owner, but I think everyone here who is would like to know how you did it. __________________ Robert C Buss FOBL Mauston Mad Cows

04-08-2004, 06:51 PM	#20
JRP Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mirabel, Quebec Posts: 357	For OOTP 5, I installed Virtual PC with Win XP Pro. I made sure everything was working right with XP (connecting to the net. etc). I downloaded OOTP5, clicked on the icon and followed the instructions. The only version of OOTP I had trouble with was version 4 and even then I found a weird way to get it started and after that, I hardly ever quitted the game and instead I saved the PC State in Virtual PC. In case you are wondering I don't use a monster machine. IMac DV + 450mhz 384 meg using OS X.3 Panther.