spring training be in ootp 6?

jbmagic · 04-03-2004, 07:34 PM

will there be spring training in ootp 6?

thanks

Mike D · 04-03-2004, 07:43 PM

Spring training is in every ootp. Spring training games is not. Which one are you asking for?

Jonzard · 04-03-2004, 07:46 PM

But you can upload and download Spring plans.... see tha april news Markus posted

Jordan · 04-03-2004, 10:00 PM

cool...didn't know that

jbmagic · 04-04-2004, 03:39 AM

i will be a newbie to ootp...

what difference between spring training plan and spring training games?

thanks

JML · 04-04-2004, 04:18 AM

Spring training in OOTP doesn't involve any games being played. Using a point system, you can emphasize different skills for your players to focus on and get them to train at new positions. But there aren't any games/stats to look at.

jimbolewis8 · 04-06-2004, 07:30 PM

I don't think spring training games really enhances the game play much...the ones that count are what I am interested in.

I think the ratings/point system works fine.

Ktulu · 04-06-2004, 07:38 PM

The more important question is has the spring training interface been improved?

GoldenGlove · 04-06-2004, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimbolewis8
I don't think spring training games really enhances the game play much...the ones that count are what I am interested in.

I think the ratings/point system works fine.

It helps you scout your team better. Like minor league stats, spring training doesn't really give you an idea of how a player hits platoon-wise. If I can experiment without paying a guy money and service time, I'm all for it.

ctorg · 04-07-2004, 08:28 AM

I'm one of those few who hopes not to see Spring Training get enhanced much. To me it's a really unimportant element in the game. Players don't really improve or get worse because of Spring Training, like they do in the game. If anything, the values we assign in ST as far as guys improving or getting worse in certain areas should be in effect throughout the year, so that over the course of the year a guy can get gradually better or worse. The only thing I can see is using ST to teach a guy a new position. The rest is questionable.

Henry · 04-07-2004, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by ctorg
I'm one of those few who hopes not to see Spring Training get enhanced much. To me it's a really unimportant element in the game. Players don't really improve or get worse because of Spring Training, like they do in the game. If anything, the values we assign in ST as far as guys improving or getting worse in certain areas should be in effect throughout the year, so that over the course of the year a guy can get gradually better or worse. The only thing I can see is using ST to teach a guy a new position. The rest is questionable.

Agreed. The emphasis on ST in the future should be ST games - in which someone would get "hot or cold" going into the regular season, you can try out your propects, or players could get injured.

I've never been much of a believer that any significant change in a players abilities could be accomplished during ST (with very rare exceptions).

Henry

Kemp · 04-07-2004, 08:55 AM

I'm not really all that "into" spring training and wouldn't vote for having to play games.

HOWEVER, I do think there is something important that gets overlooked in regards to spring training. I get the impression that the computer tends to allocate points to players in places where it believes that player has a weakness. So if a batter has a good HR rating and a low/mediocre Contract rating, the computer will allocated points to Contact.

Personally, I believe this approach tends to draw many players closer to the mean over time and I'm not sure this is a good thing. I don't mind seeing a guy hit .233 with 35 homers in my league.

So to me, the ability to upload spring training plans is good because I can now control the allocation for computer teams a little easier than in the past.

KurtBevacqua · 04-07-2004, 09:04 AM

I've always had issue with the way new positions are learned in ST. I don't think it's right to sacrifice a whole 5 points from batting categories to learn a new position. Batting and fielding points should be completely independent of one another. Did Robin Yount suffer a batting decline when he moved from SS to CF, did Ripken suffer moving from third to short? There should be a separate pool of hitting points and fielding points. The player should be sacrificing work on his primary fielding position to learn a new position. So a guy who might be a B SS would drop to a C or D at short in order to learn to play 2B.

jened · 04-07-2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kemp

So to me, the ability to upload spring training plans is good because I can now control the allocation for computer teams a little easier than in the past.

this is for online leagues. for solo leagues you could switch the cpu teams to human and run spring training with the default values and you can do that in ootp5.

Henry · 04-07-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by KurtBevacqua
The player should be sacrificing work on his primary fielding position to learn a new position. So a guy who might be a B SS would might drop to a C or D at short in order to learn to play 2B.

Kemp, I didn't mean you would "have" to play out ST games, they could be simulated as well, but the true experience of ST could then be added to the game.

Henry

asamford · 04-07-2004, 10:20 AM

i wouldn't mind having spring training games in a league where i play out all of the games. you would have the chance to try out your up and coming prospects, decide between those 3 lefties to fill out your pen, and which guys are gonna help you off the bench, etc, etc...

the main interest for realism's sake is spring training injuries. If there are games, there will be injuries, just as there are in real life.

Chappy · 04-07-2004, 11:07 AM

I agree. The least realistic aspect of OOTP is that 99% of the league is healthy and rested on opening day. Even Griffey.

Muppetus Galacticus · 04-07-2004, 11:16 AM

I'd like to play some Spring Training games. I'm used to pre-season in games like Championship Manager and EHM and think it would help getting to know a baseball team - especially the minor leaguers.

And they could just be simmed if that's what you wanted. Or perhaps there could be an option to just the comp run through the entire ST for you.

Muppetus Galacticus

Gastric ReFlux · 04-07-2004, 11:21 AM

First off, before this, I want a fully functional Fall Training feature where I can punish the players who failed me during the regular season. I don't think it's right they get to take a buncha time off after losing.

mh2365 · 04-07-2004, 11:30 AM

I would vote for full spring training games. While I don't expect players to improve during spring, it would be nice to see if my stud at AAA can handle Major League pitchers before having to waste service time. Also being able to have position battles, so you know if you can go ahead and trade a veteran or need to keep him around.

Now I hate to put stock in anything Joe Morgan says but.... he was talking on Sunday night about the difference between pitchers and batters coming out of ST. He said that pitchers really only use it to work on conditioning and building up endurance. Most pitchers can turn it on once the season starts. So when a veteran has a 7.34 ERA in ST, it doesn't really mean anything. On the other hand, batters need ST to get into the groove with hand/eye coordination and if a guy bats .212 in ST he can't just turn it on once the season starts.

So that could be represented by cold and hot streaks coming into the season. Finally injuries are the most important thing. There is always a major injury in ST. Phil Nevin last year (I think) and Nixon and Garciaparra this year. Not many teams are 100% healthy to start the season and this needs to be represented.

04-03-2004, 07:34 PM	#1
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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I'm one of those few who hopes not to see Spring Training get enhanced much. To me it's a really unimportant element in the game. Players don't really improve or get worse because of Spring Training, like they do in the game. If anything, the values we assign in ST as far as guys improving or getting worse in certain areas should be in effect throughout the year, so that over the course of the year a guy can get gradually better or worse. The only thing I can see is using ST to teach a guy a new position. The rest is questionable. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

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jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,417	i will be a newbie to ootp... what difference between spring training plan and spring training games? thanks

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JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	Spring training in OOTP doesn't involve any games being played. Using a point system, you can emphasize different skills for your players to focus on and get them to train at new positions. But there aren't any games/stats to look at.

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jimbolewis8 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Petersburg, Florida Posts: 132	I don't think spring training games really enhances the game play much...the ones that count are what I am interested in. I think the ratings/point system works fine.

04-07-2004, 08:55 AM	#12
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	I'm not really all that "into" spring training and wouldn't vote for having to play games. HOWEVER, I do think there is something important that gets overlooked in regards to spring training. I get the impression that the computer tends to allocate points to players in places where it believes that player has a weakness. So if a batter has a good HR rating and a low/mediocre Contract rating, the computer will allocated points to Contact. Personally, I believe this approach tends to draw many players closer to the mean over time and I'm not sure this is a good thing. I don't mind seeing a guy hit .233 with 35 homers in my league. So to me, the ability to upload spring training plans is good because I can now control the allocation for computer teams a little easier than in the past.

04-07-2004, 09:04 AM	#13
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I've always had issue with the way new positions are learned in ST. I don't think it's right to sacrifice a whole 5 points from batting categories to learn a new position. Batting and fielding points should be completely independent of one another. Did Robin Yount suffer a batting decline when he moved from SS to CF, did Ripken suffer moving from third to short? There should be a separate pool of hitting points and fielding points. The player should be sacrificing work on his primary fielding position to learn a new position. So a guy who might be a B SS would drop to a C or D at short in order to learn to play 2B. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

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asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	i wouldn't mind having spring training games in a league where i play out all of the games. you would have the chance to try out your up and coming prospects, decide between those 3 lefties to fill out your pen, and which guys are gonna help you off the bench, etc, etc... the main interest for realism's sake is spring training injuries. If there are games, there will be injuries, just as there are in real life.

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	First off, before this, I want a fully functional Fall Training feature where I can punish the players who failed me during the regular season. I don't think it's right they get to take a buncha time off after losing.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I would vote for full spring training games. While I don't expect players to improve during spring, it would be nice to see if my stud at AAA can handle Major League pitchers before having to waste service time. Also being able to have position battles, so you know if you can go ahead and trade a veteran or need to keep him around. Now I hate to put stock in anything Joe Morgan says but.... he was talking on Sunday night about the difference between pitchers and batters coming out of ST. He said that pitchers really only use it to work on conditioning and building up endurance. Most pitchers can turn it on once the season starts. So when a veteran has a 7.34 ERA in ST, it doesn't really mean anything. On the other hand, batters need ST to get into the groove with hand/eye coordination and if a guy bats .212 in ST he can't just turn it on once the season starts. So that could be represented by cold and hot streaks coming into the season. Finally injuries are the most important thing. There is always a major injury in ST. Phil Nevin last year (I think) and Nixon and Garciaparra this year. Not many teams are 100% healthy to start the season and this needs to be represented.