Bonds goes yard

kingfc22 · 04-05-2004, 10:37 PM

Now he is only 1 behind Mays.

Bobbuttons · 04-05-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by kingfc22
Now he is only 1 behind Mays.

Joe Mays?

Rizon · 04-05-2004, 10:55 PM

Oh great, now the local papers in the Bay Area are going to go on and on and on about how Bonds is on pace for 162 homers.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-05-2004, 10:56 PM

Did someone say he "went 'roid"?

Steve Kuffrey · 04-05-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rizon
Oh great, now the local papers in the Bay Area are going to go on and on and on about how Bonds is on pace for 162 homers.

Dear God......

Bobbuttons · 04-05-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rizon
Oh great, now the local papers in the Bay Area are going to go on and on and on about how Bonds is on pace for 162 homers.

He is also on pace to become the first player in history with not just 162 HR, but 324 doubles. That's a hefty slugging %.

+1

Crapshoot · 04-06-2004, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
Did someone say he "went 'roid"?

charming Steve- with the class one has come to expect from you..

Steve Kuffrey · 04-06-2004, 12:28 AM

Gotta be consistent.

Hammer755 · 04-06-2004, 01:55 AM

Babe Schmabe.

Barry called his shot before the game even started.

BigBambino · 04-06-2004, 06:30 AM

I cant help but pull for barry bonds to get that record. I dont like him much as a person, but as a baseball player, hes awesome, and a thrill to watch. I hope he passes everyone for the All time HR lead by the end of his career!

Gastric ReFlux · 04-06-2004, 08:05 AM

I'm rooting for Pokey Reese to break the all-time homer run record. I like underdogs.

Malleus Dei · 04-06-2004, 11:17 AM

Who cares what steroids do?

BleedingCubbyBlue · 04-06-2004, 12:01 PM

Are we going to get a new thread every time Barry Bonds hits a homerun?

Kezzek · 04-06-2004, 01:18 PM

Bonds takes a moment after the game to contemplate how to improve his power at the plate.

JWay · 04-06-2004, 01:44 PM

Go Bonds Go. Except when I playing him in fantasy

Malleus Dei · 04-06-2004, 06:22 PM

I hate to be on the same side as Reggie Jackson on anything but:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ds.reggiej.ap/

is worth reading.

Mel_Ott · 04-06-2004, 06:48 PM

From Reggie:

"Henry Aaron never hit 50 in a season, so you're going to tell me that you're a greater hitter than Henry Aaron?" Jackson said. "Bonds hit 73 [in 2001 ], and he would have hit 100 if they would have pitched to him. I mean, come on, now. There is no way you can outperform Aaron and Ruth and Mays at that level.

"There is a reason why the greatest players of all time have 500. Then there is that group that is above 550. There is a reason for that. Guys played 19, 20, 25 years. They had 9,000 to 10,000 at-bats, and it was the same for everybody.

"Now, all of a sudden, you're hitting 50 when you're 40."

1. A bunch of guys have hit 50 home runs in a season. That, by itself, doesn't make any of them a greater hitter than Henry Aaron.

2. Someone, sometime is bound to outperform Ruth, Mays, and Aaron. They said the same thing when Aaron broke Ruth's career HR record and Maris broke his season HR record.

3. Brady Anderson hit 50 one year - was he on 'roids? And, if so, how come he didn't do it ever again - never even close? Bonds hasn't come close to 73 again, either. He did win a batting title - but that's a skill most people think isn't enhanced by steroids.

4. Bonds broke in with Pittsburgh in 1986 - making this his 18th season. That's not out of line with Ruth (21 seasons), Mays (22 seasons) or Aaron (22 seasons). Jackson himself played for 20 years and finished with 563 (note: just a little more than the apparently arbitrary 550 mark he chose) HRs.

5. Power numbers have been up since 1994, and it's not because all of MLB has been on the juice. Better legitimate sports medicine, more hitters parks (especially, in Bonds's case, in Colorado), an increasing emphasis on power over speed and defense in position players, better technology/equipment (maple bats, possibly juiced balls) and expansion are all factors.

Bottom line: Reggie's jealous. His opinion about whether Bonds or any other current major leaguer is taking steroids is of dubious value.

Malleus Dei · 04-07-2004, 10:43 AM

Reggie may very well be jealous, but even obnoxious people with obvious conflicts of interest like Reggie can still present valid arguments, and IMO he did.

And it may not be "all" due to the fact that so many in the MLB have been using illegal drugs (which is in turn due to the failure to implement the thorough drug testing system baseball clearly needs), but steroids are clearly at least a very big factor in the recent power surge, and may even be the only really important factor here. Until we know how many MLB players have used steroids and do a little correlating between power and steroids, we don't know and can't be sure.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-07-2004, 10:46 AM

I thought it was the rabbit balls that were responsible. That's what someone said last year.

ctorg · 04-07-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bobbuttons
Joe Mays?

No, silly. Carl Mays. Don't you know anything?

04-05-2004, 10:37 PM	#1
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Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,348	Babe Schmabe. Barry called his shot before the game even started. Attached Images

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BigBambino All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 1,315	I cant help but pull for barry bonds to get that record. I dont like him much as a person, but as a baseball player, hes awesome, and a thrill to watch. I hope he passes everyone for the All time HR lead by the end of his career!

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Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I'm rooting for Pokey Reese to break the all-time homer run record. I like underdogs.

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BleedingCubbyBlue All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gurnee, IL Posts: 601	Are we going to get a new thread every time Barry Bonds hits a homerun? __________________ http://www.otbaonline.com

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Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	This is where I post and run away from Aadik... Bonds takes a moment after the game to contemplate how to improve his power at the plate. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

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JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	Go Bonds Go. Except when I playing him in fantasy

04-06-2004, 06:48 PM	#17
Mel_Ott Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the deer and the antelope play Posts: 924	From Reggie: "Henry Aaron never hit 50 in a season, so you're going to tell me that you're a greater hitter than Henry Aaron?" Jackson said. "Bonds hit 73 [in 2001 ], and he would have hit 100 if they would have pitched to him. I mean, come on, now. There is no way you can outperform Aaron and Ruth and Mays at that level. "There is a reason why the greatest players of all time have 500. Then there is that group that is above 550. There is a reason for that. Guys played 19, 20, 25 years. They had 9,000 to 10,000 at-bats, and it was the same for everybody. "Now, all of a sudden, you're hitting 50 when you're 40." 1. A bunch of guys have hit 50 home runs in a season. That, by itself, doesn't make any of them a greater hitter than Henry Aaron. 2. Someone, sometime is bound to outperform Ruth, Mays, and Aaron. They said the same thing when Aaron broke Ruth's career HR record and Maris broke his season HR record. 3. Brady Anderson hit 50 one year - was he on 'roids? And, if so, how come he didn't do it ever again - never even close? Bonds hasn't come close to 73 again, either. He did win a batting title - but that's a skill most people think isn't enhanced by steroids. 4. Bonds broke in with Pittsburgh in 1986 - making this his 18th season. That's not out of line with Ruth (21 seasons), Mays (22 seasons) or Aaron (22 seasons). Jackson himself played for 20 years and finished with 563 (note: just a little more than the apparently arbitrary 550 mark he chose) HRs. 5. Power numbers have been up since 1994, and it's not because all of MLB has been on the juice. Better legitimate sports medicine, more hitters parks (especially, in Bonds's case, in Colorado), an increasing emphasis on power over speed and defense in position players, better technology/equipment (maple bats, possibly juiced balls) and expansion are all factors. Bottom line: Reggie's jealous. His opinion about whether Bonds or any other current major leaguer is taking steroids is of dubious value. __________________ jgross's worst nightmare!!!!111 Owner, Sin City Swingers, OBTL Last edited by Mel_Ott; 04-06-2004 at 06:51 PM.

04-07-2004, 10:46 AM	#19
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	I thought it was the rabbit balls that were responsible. That's what someone said last year.