OOTP6 - speed up release ? - OPEN for comments - Page 24

Lamorak · 04-05-2004, 08:32 AM

If the game is released a 'pre-gold/beta-plus' preview edition, then the point is moot. Iit's up to Markus if he feels like it or not. And either way, there is a fraction of the population who are going to take affront anyway.

To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln with liberites- You can please some of the people all of the time, and none of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time.

As long as he has made no claims on a full release date and he does not claim that the HTH sans release is the full release version, there is no issue and this would fall under the heading programmer priviledge. A favour to a significant population of OOTP players but a disfavour to no one.

--Dave

graham5 · 04-05-2004, 09:11 AM

The fuss over the H2H option not ever making it into the game is because last year, options which were announced as appearing in later patches of the game never actually appeared.

The worry is that this could be repeated.

Also, surely the H2H option impacts on many different aspects of the game code - it could change a lot of the original release, so whats the point in bringing it out without H2H?

Yaz1961 · 04-05-2004, 09:42 AM

I don't know if the decision has been made yet, but I have to agree with the majority. It would be great to see H2H implemented with the original game but in my case, I probably won't use it much. I usually play solo leagues. Putting into a later patch gets my vote. Please release the game.

I_Got_Wood_34 · 04-05-2004, 11:27 AM

this is getting ridiculous.. still no estimated release day

Riverdome · 04-05-2004, 11:31 AM

Let's all just take a deep breath and relax. This is one of the best baseball sims ever created. Considering the size of the development team we are all very lucky.

Wouldn't it be a shame it Markus decided all this BS on the boards wasn't worth it and he hung up his programming hat for good?

Markus, thanks for OOTP5. It's a great game worth far more than I paid!

Dreamscape · 04-05-2004, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I_Got_Wood_34
this is getting ridiculous.. still no estimated release day

Getting? It's already entered the level of ridiculous 15 pages ago when people stopped reading what was being said and decided to believe what they wanted to believe.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-05-2004, 11:36 AM

Should be a warning label, please read before posting.

Henry · 04-05-2004, 11:46 AM

Argh....

THESE ARE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS HERE.

Why is it so difficult to see it this way....

NEWSLETTER said....

"Out of the Park 6 is rapidly approaching beta testing and should be ready for release around Opening Day!"

APRIL UPDATE Post said....

"Unfortunately, I was moving to a different house, and this move (couldn't be delayed, btw) cost me about 1 week of development time, and I was without internet as well. Anyway, beta testing is going at full steam, and I still believe we will be able to release the game before April 15th if nothing unforseen happens. However, we will only release the game when we think it is stable and all new features are working as advertised!"

Potential early release post said....

"OK, today I have been thinking about a possibility to get the game released sooner. The only real big feature that needs to be put in is the internet head-to-head mode. It is already 50% implemented, but I guess getting it done 100% and testing it properly will take 1 week. So, the question is, I could leave this out of the initial release, and concentrate on it fully for the first big update, which usually is 2-3 weeks after release time. What do you think, would you mind if I left this feature out of the initial release to get the game out sooner?"

Looks to me like April 15th is still the best date we have. Who hasn't been reading the same posts I have ?

(sorry for my frustration, but it seems clear to me)

Henry

Ben E Lou · 04-05-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Henry
Argh....

THESE ARE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS HERE.

Why is it so difficult to see it this way....

NEWSLETTER said....

"Out of the Park 6 is rapidly approaching beta testing and should be ready for release around Opening Day!"

APRIL UPDATE Post said....

"Unfortunately, I was moving to a different house, and this move (couldn't be delayed, btw) cost me about 1 week of development time, and I was without internet as well. Anyway, beta testing is going at full steam, and I still believe we will be able to release the game before April 15th if nothing unforseen happens. However, we will only release the game when we think it is stable and all new features are working as advertised!"

Potential early release post said....

"OK, today I have been thinking about a possibility to get the game released sooner. The only real big feature that needs to be put in is the internet head-to-head mode. It is already 50% implemented, but I guess getting it done 100% and testing it properly will take 1 week. So, the question is, I could leave this out of the initial release, and concentrate on it fully for the first big update, which usually is 2-3 weeks after release time. What do you think, would you mind if I left this feature out of the initial release to get the game out sooner?"

Looks to me like April 15th is still the best date we have. Who hasn't been reading the same posts I have ?

(sorry for my frustration, but it seems clear to me)

Henry

You forgot something....

Quote:

Originally posted by I_Got_Wood_34
this is getting ridiculous.. still no estimated release day

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
It is possible that no release date will be given.

Bobbuttons · 04-05-2004, 11:55 AM

I think April 15th would be a good day, anyway, should that be around the time it is released... what better way to take your mind off of getting reamed by the IRS than to play some OOTP6?

bigD4VT · 04-05-2004, 12:08 PM

Put me down for YES!

Markus Heinsohn · 04-05-2004, 12:37 PM

Wow... I had no internet over the weekend, and now this! 32 pages of replies.

From my point of view, the head-to-head is really just a small part of the new features, and probably only interesting for online leagues anyway. Setting up the online league so that the head-to-head can be used properly would take time anyway, so I feel if this feature is not part of the initial release, people should not be too upset. It'll be added in the first update anyway!

Anyway, I will give the best I can to get the game done now without concentrating on H2H. Once that is done (next week), I will decide if I release the game without H2H, or spend an extra 7 days on the H2H before release.

I'll keep you posted!

Cheers,
Markus

Bobbuttons · 04-05-2004, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Markus Heinsohn
Wow... I had no internet over the weekend, and now this! 32 pages of replies.

From my point of view, the head-to-head is really just a small part of the new features, and probably only interesting for online leagues anyway. Setting up the online league so that the head-to-head can be used properly would take time anyway, so I feel if this feature is not part of the initial release, people should not be too upset. It'll be added in the first update anyway!

Anyway, I will give the best I can to get the game done now without concentrating on H2H. Once that is done (next week), I will decide if I release the game without H2H, or spend an extra 7 days on the H2H before release.

I'll keep you posted!

Cheers,
Markus

There we go. Maybe this will chill people out for the next week.

Gastric ReFlux · 04-05-2004, 12:41 PM

It's a simple decision. If the rest of the game is stable, and H2H still needs work, release the game without H2H.

BusterKing · 04-05-2004, 12:43 PM

Thanks for the update Markus and thank you for this great game.

You are the GOD of baseball simulation!

yankeesrule · 04-05-2004, 12:47 PM

Hopefully now that markus has spoken, things will calm down more.

Riverdome · 04-05-2004, 12:57 PM

See ya all next week, bye!

Mds7361 · 04-05-2004, 01:49 PM

thanks for the update

thehatfield · 04-05-2004, 02:15 PM

Just another note for the benefit of this board from a newbie. How can some of you people honestly assume that the number of our posts on this (or any) computer message board in any way related to knowledge, relevance of opinion or support of the game & its developers? This sort of immature attitude is like hating the French "because they are French."

Next time you are putting us - those out of the loop of current developments, problems and discussions - down please remember that you are flaunting your knowledge of a grassroots sports simulator that you play on the computer and try to figure out why we brainless newbies don't come around and post more often.

dannyc · 04-05-2004, 02:21 PM

You should relese now... honestly i wouldnt even have any use for that feature

View Poll Results: Should I initially leave out the head-to-head feature for the release version?
YES, I wouldn't use it anyway, give me the game as soon as possible.	627	85.31%
No, I want this feature fully implemented in the release version.	108	14.69%
Voters: 735. You may not vote on this poll

04-05-2004, 09:42 AM	#463
Yaz1961 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Randolph, MA Posts: 74	I don't know if the decision has been made yet, but I have to agree with the majority. It would be great to see H2H implemented with the original game but in my case, I probably won't use it much. I usually play solo leagues. Putting into a later patch gets my vote. Please release the game. __________________ Dave

04-05-2004, 11:31 AM	#465
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	Let's all just take a deep breath and relax. This is one of the best baseball sims ever created. Considering the size of the development team we are all very lucky. Wouldn't it be a shame it Markus decided all this BS on the boards wasn't worth it and he hung up his programming hat for good? Markus, thanks for OOTP5. It's a great game worth far more than I paid! __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-05-2004, 11:36 AM	#467
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Should be a warning label, please read before posting. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-05-2004, 11:55 AM	#470
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	I think April 15th would be a good day, anyway, should that be around the time it is released... what better way to take your mind off of getting reamed by the IRS than to play some OOTP6? __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

04-05-2004, 08:32 AM	#461
Lamorak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 195	If the game is released a 'pre-gold/beta-plus' preview edition, then the point is moot. Iit's up to Markus if he feels like it or not. And either way, there is a fraction of the population who are going to take affront anyway. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln with liberites- You can please some of the people all of the time, and none of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time. As long as he has made no claims on a full release date and he does not claim that the HTH sans release is the full release version, there is no issue and this would fall under the heading programmer priviledge. A favour to a significant population of OOTP players but a disfavour to no one. --Dave

04-05-2004, 09:11 AM	#462
graham5 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 38	The fuss over the H2H option not ever making it into the game is because last year, options which were announced as appearing in later patches of the game never actually appeared. The worry is that this could be repeated. Also, surely the H2H option impacts on many different aspects of the game code - it could change a lot of the original release, so whats the point in bringing it out without H2H?

04-05-2004, 11:27 AM	#464
I_Got_Wood_34 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 188 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	this is getting ridiculous.. still no estimated release day

04-05-2004, 11:46 AM	#468
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Argh.... THESE ARE MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS HERE. Why is it so difficult to see it this way.... NEWSLETTER said.... "Out of the Park 6 is rapidly approaching beta testing and should be ready for release around Opening Day!" APRIL UPDATE Post said.... "Unfortunately, I was moving to a different house, and this move (couldn't be delayed, btw) cost me about 1 week of development time, and I was without internet as well. Anyway, beta testing is going at full steam, and I still believe we will be able to release the game before April 15th if nothing unforseen happens. However, we will only release the game when we think it is stable and all new features are working as advertised!" Potential early release post said.... "OK, today I have been thinking about a possibility to get the game released sooner. The only real big feature that needs to be put in is the internet head-to-head mode. It is already 50% implemented, but I guess getting it done 100% and testing it properly will take 1 week. So, the question is, I could leave this out of the initial release, and concentrate on it fully for the first big update, which usually is 2-3 weeks after release time. What do you think, would you mind if I left this feature out of the initial release to get the game out sooner?" Looks to me like April 15th is still the best date we have. Who hasn't been reading the same posts I have ? (sorry for my frustration, but it seems clear to me) Henry

04-05-2004, 12:08 PM	#471
bigD4VT Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Richlands, VA Posts: 241	Put me down for YES!

04-05-2004, 12:37 PM	#472
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	Wow... I had no internet over the weekend, and now this! 32 pages of replies. From my point of view, the head-to-head is really just a small part of the new features, and probably only interesting for online leagues anyway. Setting up the online league so that the head-to-head can be used properly would take time anyway, so I feel if this feature is not part of the initial release, people should not be too upset. It'll be added in the first update anyway! Anyway, I will give the best I can to get the game done now without concentrating on H2H. Once that is done (next week), I will decide if I release the game without H2H, or spend an extra 7 days on the H2H before release. I'll keep you posted! Cheers, Markus __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

04-05-2004, 12:41 PM	#474
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	It's a simple decision. If the rest of the game is stable, and H2H still needs work, release the game without H2H.

04-05-2004, 12:43 PM	#475
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,422	Thanks for the update Markus and thank you for this great game. You are the GOD of baseball simulation!

04-05-2004, 12:47 PM	#476
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Hopefully now that markus has spoken, things will calm down more.

04-05-2004, 12:57 PM	#477
Riverdome All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 964	See ya all next week, bye! __________________ I was at the first OOTP Conference, where were you?..........

04-05-2004, 01:49 PM	#478
Mds7361 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 72	thanks for the update

04-05-2004, 02:15 PM	#479
thehatfield All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: dirty jerz Posts: 1,339	Just another note for the benefit of this board from a newbie. How can some of you people honestly assume that the number of our posts on this (or any) computer message board in any way related to knowledge, relevance of opinion or support of the game & its developers? This sort of immature attitude is like hating the French "because they are French." Next time you are putting us - those out of the loop of current developments, problems and discussions - down please remember that you are flaunting your knowledge of a grassroots sports simulator that you play on the computer and try to figure out why we brainless newbies don't come around and post more often. __________________ AFBL - Maryland Bridegrooms SBC - Western Suburbs Magpies no pressure no problem

04-05-2004, 02:21 PM	#480
dannyc Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 163	You should relese now... honestly i wouldnt even have any use for that feature __________________ Mets > all