OOTP 6 League Concept (Please Read)

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 12:48 PM

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about establishing a unique league, but I'd like to know if there is any interest in participating in this kind of a thing.

Azarian Baseball Federation (ABF)

If you would, please read over the brief overview, then check out the map and the various franchise locations. If anyone would be interested in participating in this league, drop me an email at scotth@scuffleball.com. The site is only temporary, because I don't want to put a lot of work into it and not have anyone interested.

The red cities will be franchises in the two leagues. These cities are also links to the city pages, which show a variety of information and details about the city and its team. The green cities are the minor league affiliates for the major league clubs.

Only serious players please. You will notice not everything has been finalized yet, but I'm getting there

. I'm planning on starting the league shortly after OOTP6 comes out.

As a sidebar, I'm about finished developing a list of unique names for the players, so there won't be any Johnson's, Smith's, Fernandez's or Wilson's in this league. All the players are fictional. Each ethnic group in the league will have their own name list.

Thanks

John P. Yuda · 03-29-2004, 01:12 PM

I'd play, though I'd make one change to the relegation/promotion scheme. Relegate the 10th place team, and then choose a second team to relegate via a weighted lottery between the 7th, 8th and 9th place teams.

Do the same with promoting (first place and weighted lottery of 2nd, 3rd and 4th). The basic idea is that this will help make sure you don't just have the same two teams yo-yo back and forth each season.

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 01:22 PM

I'd played with the thought of relegating/promoting 2 teams each season, but my feeling was that a 20% change in each league each season would do more damage to continuity that I would like.

After some testing with OOTP 5, it just seemed like after 5-7 seasons, there were only 1-3 teams left in their original league. Nearly every team had been up and down and back again. In other words, earning a promotion to the Super 10 from Tier 1 lost some of its luster. It didn't seem (to me) to means as much, or at least as much as I had intended it to mean.

I'll take your thoughts into consideration though, and thanks for posting

John P. Yuda · 03-29-2004, 01:35 PM

Alternately, you could start with your system and as long as it didn't wind up being the same teams, consistently, then stick with it.

If it is the same couple of teams, then you can figure out a way to change it. Maybe 75% chance of last place, 25% chance of second-to-last, etc.

Vris · 03-29-2004, 03:14 PM

This looks like a great idea. Kinda like the English Premier Soccer leagues. It would make things much more competitive.

It could also be that your taking a very small sample. Ten teams aren't a whole hell of a lot, and with the shuffling of players and such, it could just mean a lot of parity in that league. It being an online league might break some of that up. John P. Yuda's idea of the lottery is good, but why not just lottery off the whole bottom tier? It would only be fair instead of automatic relegation by finishing in last place.

Tandem · 03-29-2004, 03:16 PM

Thats a lot of work you put into it. I hope it comes to fruition!

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 03:20 PM

I've been doing some more thinking about this.

I think the bottom finishing team in the S-10 should be relegated regardless. I also like the idea of a lottery. Maybe teams 7-9 are put into a lottery?

As for promotion out of the Tier 1. The winner of the T1 championship series is automatically promoted. Two other teams (loser of the series and the 3rd place finisher) are put into a promotion lottery, weighed by finish. The winner of that is then promoted for the following season.

OR MAYBE, with the new head-to-head feature, they could have a mini-playoff to decide who gets promoted? That could be very interesting. Same thing for relegation. The 8th and 9th place finishers play each other head-to-head in one game - the loser gets relegated.

What do you guys think?

And thanks for the input!

mauboy · 03-29-2004, 04:09 PM

I think this league could be awesome..

Will it be head-to-head or simming?

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mauboy
I think this league could be awesome..

Will it be head-to-head or simming?

Can't really answer that yet, until I see how the head-to-head feature is played. I would guess that both simming and head-to-head will be incorporated into the league.

If you'd be interested in claiming a team, just pick one out!

Thanks for the input!

suurimonster · 03-29-2004, 04:34 PM

Great idea - but if you introduced head-to-head, will it be an option. I am not sure I could commit to every game live...

For promotion relegation, why not have as automatic promotion the top of T1, and automatic relegation as bottom of T10. But then have a playoff between 8-9 of T10 and 2-3 of T1 i.e. 8 of T10 plays 3 of T1, and 9 of T10 plays 2 of T1. Winners go into T10. Then you don't get weak teams promoted (not too often anyway), who are immediately sent back down.

bearman · 03-29-2004, 04:36 PM

Sounds like a great idea! I'd be interested.

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by suurimonster
Great idea - but if you introduced head-to-head, will it be an option. I am not sure I could commit to every game live...

Not every game would be played head-to-head. I envision the promotion/relegation games and the playoffs being head-to-head, and then maybe a smattering of other games throughout the season when both owners can get together. But definitely we wouldn't try to play the season head-to-head.

to answer your question, yes it would be an option

Thanks

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bearman
Sounds like a great idea! I'd be interested.

Sweet

At your convenience, claim yourself a team!

I've already had 3 people asking about joining . . . once some of the teams are selected, I'll be updating the city pages to reflect the changes.

tim_uwrf · 03-29-2004, 05:06 PM

Second city I clicked on and I found my home city.

http://www.scuffleball.com/abf/cities/dornridge.html

scuffleball · 03-29-2004, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tim_uwrf
Second city I clicked on and I found my home city.

http://www.scuffleball.com/abf/cities/dornridge.html

Does that mean you're in?

UPDATE: 4 teams already have owners. The city webpages have been updated. 16 teams remain - seven left in the Super 10 and nine remaining in Tier 1.

Thanks to everyone for their input and interest!

Mr.Opinion · 03-30-2004, 12:53 AM

Okay, this really seems sweet. I'm emailing you now.

bigrockshow · 03-30-2004, 01:32 AM

[stops lurking]

Unfortunately, I don't have time to join your league, but I do like the premise.

One of the things that makes promotion/relegation in the European soccer leagues so important is the difference in revenue generated by the teams in the "premier" division compared to division 1 and lower. This is partially due to the fact that each league negotiates a tv deal and then splits the money evenly among the teams in that league. What ends up happening is the premier league teams get like $30 million each and the div 1 teams get more like $5 to $10 million.

This causes teams to have to drop a superstar or two when they get relegated. Also, top free agents are unlikely to sign with div 1 teams even if they get offered lots of money. This of course doesn't do much for parity between the leagues, but that's kinda the point I think.

Another interesting thing that soccer clubs do in Europe is sell players instead of trading them. Top players can go for huge amounts, like $50 million. More often, the fees are between $1 million and $10 million. Players are rarely traded for other players.

These things may not be easy or even feasible to implement, but thought I'd throw it out there for you to consider.

[looks around to make sure no one has seen him]
[resumes lurking]

scuffleball · 03-30-2004, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigrockshow
[stops lurking]

Unfortunately, I don't have time to join your league, but I do like the premise.

One of the things that makes promotion/relegation in the European soccer leagues so important is the difference in revenue generated by the teams in the "premier" division compared to division 1 and lower. This is partially due to the fact that each league negotiates a tv deal and then splits the money evenly among the teams in that league. What ends up happening is the premier league teams get like $30 million each and the div 1 teams get more like $5 to $10 million.

This causes teams to have to drop a superstar or two when they get relegated. Also, top free agents are unlikely to sign with div 1 teams even if they get offered lots of money. This of course doesn't do much for parity between the leagues, but that's kinda the point I think.

Another interesting thing that soccer clubs do in Europe is sell players instead of trading them. Top players can go for huge amounts, like $50 million. More often, the fees are between $1 million and $10 million. Players are rarely traded for other players.

These things may not be easy or even feasible to implement, but thought I'd throw it out there for you to consider.

[looks around to make sure no one has seen him]
[resumes lurking]

Good points.

I've done a lot of experimenting and testing with the OOTP5 engine about finances and revenues from the S10 to T1 and vice versa. I am anxious to test OOTP6 to see about the financial aspects of the game and what I may be able to do with the promotion/relegation idea. But rest assured, there will be a difference between being in the S10 and the T1.

Thanks for the input.

UPDATE: 7 owners have already signed up! 13 teams left!

scuffleball · 03-30-2004, 04:06 PM

A brief bump and an update.

8 owners are now in . . . 12 teams remain.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and interest!

mauboy · 03-30-2004, 04:13 PM

You have a PM Scuffle.

03-29-2004, 12:48 PM	#1
scuffleball Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 358	OOTP 6 League Concept (Please Read) Hey guys, I'm thinking about establishing a unique league, but I'd like to know if there is any interest in participating in this kind of a thing. Azarian Baseball Federation (ABF) If you would, please read over the brief overview, then check out the map and the various franchise locations. If anyone would be interested in participating in this league, drop me an email at scotth@scuffleball.com. The site is only temporary, because I don't want to put a lot of work into it and not have anyone interested. The red cities will be franchises in the two leagues. These cities are also links to the city pages, which show a variety of information and details about the city and its team. The green cities are the minor league affiliates for the major league clubs. Only serious players please. You will notice not everything has been finalized yet, but I'm getting there . I'm planning on starting the league shortly after OOTP6 comes out. As a sidebar, I'm about finished developing a list of unique names for the players, so there won't be any Johnson's, Smith's, Fernandez's or Wilson's in this league. All the players are fictional. Each ethnic group in the league will have their own name list. Thanks

03-29-2004, 03:14 PM	#5
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	This looks like a great idea. Kinda like the English Premier Soccer leagues. It would make things much more competitive. It could also be that your taking a very small sample. Ten teams aren't a whole hell of a lot, and with the shuffling of players and such, it could just mean a lot of parity in that league. It being an online league might break some of that up. John P. Yuda's idea of the lottery is good, but why not just lottery off the whole bottom tier? It would only be fair instead of automatic relegation by finishing in last place. __________________ None Blog it.

03-29-2004, 03:20 PM	#7
scuffleball Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 358	I've been doing some more thinking about this. I think the bottom finishing team in the S-10 should be relegated regardless. I also like the idea of a lottery. Maybe teams 7-9 are put into a lottery? As for promotion out of the Tier 1. The winner of the T1 championship series is automatically promoted. Two other teams (loser of the series and the 3rd place finisher) are put into a promotion lottery, weighed by finish. The winner of that is then promoted for the following season. OR MAYBE, with the new head-to-head feature, they could have a mini-playoff to decide who gets promoted? That could be very interesting. Same thing for relegation. The 8th and 9th place finishers play each other head-to-head in one game - the loser gets relegated. What do you guys think? And thanks for the input! Last edited by scuffleball; 03-29-2004 at 04:18 PM.

03-30-2004, 12:53 AM	#16
Mr.Opinion All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: SkiFree Lodge Posts: 883	Okay, this really seems sweet. I'm emailing you now. __________________

03-29-2004, 01:12 PM	#2
John P. Yuda Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 177	I'd play, though I'd make one change to the relegation/promotion scheme. Relegate the 10th place team, and then choose a second team to relegate via a weighted lottery between the 7th, 8th and 9th place teams. Do the same with promoting (first place and weighted lottery of 2nd, 3rd and 4th). The basic idea is that this will help make sure you don't just have the same two teams yo-yo back and forth each season.

03-29-2004, 01:22 PM	#3
scuffleball Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 358	I'd played with the thought of relegating/promoting 2 teams each season, but my feeling was that a 20% change in each league each season would do more damage to continuity that I would like. After some testing with OOTP 5, it just seemed like after 5-7 seasons, there were only 1-3 teams left in their original league. Nearly every team had been up and down and back again. In other words, earning a promotion to the Super 10 from Tier 1 lost some of its luster. It didn't seem (to me) to means as much, or at least as much as I had intended it to mean. I'll take your thoughts into consideration though, and thanks for posting

03-29-2004, 01:35 PM	#4
John P. Yuda Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 177	Alternately, you could start with your system and as long as it didn't wind up being the same teams, consistently, then stick with it. If it is the same couple of teams, then you can figure out a way to change it. Maybe 75% chance of last place, 25% chance of second-to-last, etc.

03-29-2004, 03:16 PM	#6
Tandem Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 55	Thats a lot of work you put into it. I hope it comes to fruition!

03-29-2004, 04:09 PM	#8
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	I think this league could be awesome.. Will it be head-to-head or simming?

03-29-2004, 04:34 PM	#10
suurimonster Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 64	Great idea - but if you introduced head-to-head, will it be an option. I am not sure I could commit to every game live... For promotion relegation, why not have as automatic promotion the top of T1, and automatic relegation as bottom of T10. But then have a playoff between 8-9 of T10 and 2-3 of T1 i.e. 8 of T10 plays 3 of T1, and 9 of T10 plays 2 of T1. Winners go into T10. Then you don't get weak teams promoted (not too often anyway), who are immediately sent back down.

03-29-2004, 04:36 PM	#11
bearman Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 13	Sounds like a great idea! I'd be interested.

03-29-2004, 05:06 PM	#14
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	Second city I clicked on and I found my home city. http://www.scuffleball.com/abf/cities/dornridge.html

03-30-2004, 01:32 AM	#17
bigrockshow Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 72	[stops lurking] Unfortunately, I don't have time to join your league, but I do like the premise. One of the things that makes promotion/relegation in the European soccer leagues so important is the difference in revenue generated by the teams in the "premier" division compared to division 1 and lower. This is partially due to the fact that each league negotiates a tv deal and then splits the money evenly among the teams in that league. What ends up happening is the premier league teams get like $30 million each and the div 1 teams get more like $5 to $10 million. This causes teams to have to drop a superstar or two when they get relegated. Also, top free agents are unlikely to sign with div 1 teams even if they get offered lots of money. This of course doesn't do much for parity between the leagues, but that's kinda the point I think. Another interesting thing that soccer clubs do in Europe is sell players instead of trading them. Top players can go for huge amounts, like $50 million. More often, the fees are between $1 million and $10 million. Players are rarely traded for other players. These things may not be easy or even feasible to implement, but thought I'd throw it out there for you to consider. [looks around to make sure no one has seen him] [resumes lurking]

03-30-2004, 04:06 PM	#19
scuffleball Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 358	A brief bump and an update. 8 owners are now in . . . 12 teams remain. Thanks to everyone for their comments and interest!

03-30-2004, 04:13 PM	#20
mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	You have a PM Scuffle.