Looking for lost Commish - Page 7

Kevin from Dell · 03-28-2004, 03:00 AM

Hey guys, if you need someone to step in and take over this league, I'm your man!

Raderick · 03-28-2004, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by Kidd2RJ
Actually I think you got it a bit jumbled. I believe what you were trying to say was...

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, you can't get fooled again.

I am a member of BTPL8, and while I had my reserves on Pat I thought it was unexperience more so than anything else. But I seem to be question the whole thing at this point...

Doesn't get it...

sunnydoo · 03-28-2004, 03:54 AM

nope. unfortunately, the one who said it is just as clueless.

Leahcim · 03-28-2004, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by clarnzz
I don't see anyone accusing jblaze/udflyer of being FitDog

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Originally posted by clarnzz
How about this for then. The Behind the Plate league has the same website as Real Beisbol and Fitterer is away on spring break.

Actually, it was clarnzz, with the 11th post in the tread, that introduced the idea that Fitterer was involved in this. He "lied" to us by promising there would be "Fit Dogs of Mass Destruction." There aren't any FDMD here. There never was. He deliberately used and manipulated "faulty intelligence data" to mislead us. Plus, he "acted unilaterally" without seeking "UN" Kuffrey or Lutz support. All this so his "Halliburton" buddies in Off-Topic could profit.

Shame on you Mr. clarnzz.

Shame on you.

clarnzz · 03-28-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Leahcim
Actually, it was clarnzz, with the 11th post in the tread, that introduced the idea that Fitterer was involved in this. He "lied" to us by promising there would be "Fit Dogs of Mass Destruction." There aren't any FDMD here. There never was. He deliberately used and manipulated "faulty intelligence data" to mislead us. Plus, he "acted unilaterally" without seeking "UN" Kuffrey or Lutz support. All this so his "Halliburton" buddies in Off-Topic could profit.

Shame on you Mr. clarnzz.

Shame on you.

I was simply providing the best intelligence availiable at that point, if you will note, a mere 20 minutes later concrete evidence was uncovered that showed that possibility was highly unlikely. May I cite post 19 of the thread:

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Originally posted by clarnzz
I think it may just be a copy and use or someone let him borrow the source. BHTPL8 is registered to Pat in Ohio so it is very unlikely it is actually Fitterer, just funny how everything always traces back to Fit Dog. to say the least.

There is still strong evidence linking JBlaze to MFitterer in some capacity as evidenced by the website in question. Just to what extent this correspondence existed, we may never know......

dougaiton · 03-28-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
My post was simply in regards to OOTP Forum participation. When there is a big blowup by a member on this forum, the procedure recommended by most of the community is to get a new nick and start from scratch. Rarely has a person been able to maintain their new identity without reverting to the exact same form that led to their exit in the first place. UD was able to do so without resorting to the actions that led to his reputation as jblaze, and that is what I offered a positive word toward.

Like I said, the cheating charges should be looked at and I will reserve complete judgement until that time.

To a certain extent, I entirely agree Hammer, but the problem is that he started up a league as a commisioner, not an owner.

To start up a league, trying to distance your 'on-line' past, is duplicituous towards the owners. I have always advocated heading off and starting again on personal issues or debates that got ridiculously out of hand, but its different IMO when you are using the name-change to do something you really shouldn't be allowed to do.

By changing his handle, UDF effectively barred those interested in his league from finding out his reputation. If he was a team owner, no problem: but as people are going to be investing time and effort into the enterprise, they have every right to do some digging, regardless of his excellent conduct up to this point.

GoldenGlove · 03-28-2004, 07:37 AM

Clarnzz, Fit and Pat have no relation whatsoever. Please stop trying to continue your rep as a troll. He wasn't around for a few days , but he has done nothing wrong here.

KidRock · 03-28-2004, 11:47 AM

Golden, he might not be all these guys but PAT is far from clean, let me list just a few things....

Starting the season he knew he had problems with the server, he KNEW some of the first exports me and a couple others sent to the server did NOT get imported... Pat simed anyways...screw the owners who have their best players in AAA...he was hell bent on simming dispite this ... and refused to resim saying he didnt have a backup file ... later in this thread he notes he has all backup files and can prove he didnt cheat...

So was he Lieing than or lieing now??

Next he claimed after the third sim we didnt have any injuries in the league because he was missing a injury DAT file.. I checked the league files with an editor and the injuries and fatuge were turned off .. another LIE.

few times durning the season sims were postponed because he was called into the OFFICE at work...one time durning one of these 5-6 hour postponments I seen him posting on this OOTP board...also after one of these late sims some boxscores did not match the scores seen in the files.... tells me he was simming more than once.

Countless accounts of player ratings changing that were outside of the norm you seen in most leagues.

Now this last thing..its funny the disaperance of the guy coincided with the Indians owner pointing out to him that his team had made bids and signed players he never bid on.. either Pat was making the bids for him or he somehow turned the Indians team on computer control.... the Indians owner started to question him and POOF.... the commish was gone...

Questions arose after 3-4 days where did he go... he was posting on this OOTP board and lurking around the BTPBL board but did not post... did not say a word to anyone... he was on invisable on AIM...

Pat was caught in a pickle.. someone finnnaly have him caught red handed and he didnt have any explination so he just disapears... comes back after a week hoping these FA signing questions would go away but they didnt.....

Now can you say he has done nothing WRONG here??? I am sure I am leaving out 4-5 other FUNNY things that have happened in his league that he passed off as some quirk... start adding this all up and you have to be a BLINDMAN not to see whats going on.

sporr · 03-28-2004, 12:00 PM

Since I was mentioned, I will say that this part of the story is true: He did contact me by PM asking for reasons that injuries would not be appearing on the league reports. After mentioning that if you didn't have the injury.dat file in the proper directory injuries wouldn't appear, he seemed to think that was the case.

Delgadodawg · 03-28-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock

Now this last thing..its funny the disaperance of the guy coincided with the Indians owner pointing out to him that his team had made bids and signed players he never bid on.. either Pat was making the bids for him or he somehow turned the Indians team on computer control.... the Indians owner started to question him and POOF.... the commish was gone...

I have seen it happen quite a few times in my online leagues where teams have signed players that they never bid on. It could be some minor bug and it doesn't necessarily mean the commish bid on players or he turned the team to computer control.

I don't know if this is the case here, but it is a common occurance in some online leagues.

BigBambino · 03-28-2004, 12:52 PM

Agreed, that happened in a league i was in one time. And the Guy wasn't cheating, Just a Bug...

Randall · 03-28-2004, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by CommishJoe
And, in my opinion, to use your example, a link between Fit Dog and JBlaze is about as likely as linking Osama with Bush.

Which Bush? Sr, who supplied arms to Osama to fight the Russians? Or Jr?

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock

Starting the season he knew he had problems with the server, he KNEW some of the first exports me and a couple others sent to the server did NOT get imported... Pat simed anyways...screw the owners who have their best players in AAA...he was hell bent on simming dispite this ... and refused to resim saying he didnt have a backup file ... later in this thread he notes he has all backup files and can prove he didnt cheat...

Lets get a few things straight before you start to talk without knowing facts. HOFSI was having server problems and I contacted the teams who didn't get their exports imported and gave them well over a couple of hours to import. The Majority of the GM's in the league said to go ahead it'd be best to sim.

I never "refused" to re-sim. You make it sounds like I said NO, NOT SO EVER WILL I. C'mon man, don't just try an air dirty laundry when you don't know the facts.

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock

Next he claimed after the third sim we didnt have any injuries in the league because he was missing a injury DAT file.. I checked the league files with an editor and the injuries and fatuge were turned off .. another LIE.

Actually it was missing the file. I have PM's that I had with "Sporr" and posts on here asking anyone for help. I was told to backup the league. Then proceed with their ideas and see if it would record. It did not, then after atleast 1-2 hours of messing with that, I had to re-install OOTP5.

....you really are just posting "Speculation" and no proof. I can gurantee that...

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock
few times durning the season sims were postponed because he was called into the OFFICE at work...one time durning one of these 5-6 hour postponments I seen him posting on this OOTP board...also after one of these late sims some boxscores did not match the scores seen in the files.... tells me he was simming more than once.

I'm not even gonna say much but you can call my boss or post links and times matching if you'd like. I know for a fact this is a lie coming from you.

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock
Countless accounts of player ratings changing that were outside of the norm you seen in most leagues.

The sad thing here is, they all recorded in BOSI & OOTP PD. If you actually read the GD forums on here you'd see that it has been heavily discussed with about 5.14 an players PD being so drastic so quick.

Thanks though.

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by KidRock

Now this last thing..its funny the disaperance of the guy coincided with the Indians owner pointing out to him that his team had made bids and signed players he never bid on.. either Pat was making the bids for him or he somehow turned the Indians team on computer control.... the Indians owner started to question him and POOF.... the commish was gone...

Questions arose after 3-4 days where did he go... he was posting on this OOTP board and lurking around the BTPBL board but did not post... did not say a word to anyone... he was on invisable on AIM...

Pat was caught in a pickle.. someone finnnaly have him caught red handed and he didnt have any explination so he just disapears... comes back after a week hoping these FA signing questions would go away but they didnt.....

Now can you say he has done nothing WRONG here??? I am sure I am leaving out 4-5 other FUNNY things that have happened in his league that he passed off as some quirk... start adding this all up and you have to be a BLINDMAN not to see whats going on.

You have proved to me that you're really not all there. You just seem to be like someone who just put junk together and make it seem like something.

Cleveland either offered Aybar 2.5mil, or he hit the wrong buttons to enter an amount. I get along very well with Cleveland. What do I have against this guy? I help him out all the time with various things...

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by BigBambino
Agreed, that happened in a league i was in one time. And the Guy wasn't cheating, Just a Bug...

Thank you....Kid Rock, please, gather some facts before talking. It seems to me that you arise like you know everything about this game and how it works but you really don't.

Mike D · 03-28-2004, 01:52 PM

Not trying to add fue to this fire, but you could have quoted all those and put them in one post. I haven't gotten along with you in the past, but I do know that work does some times interfere with other things. The only thing that I can say is that if you can't guarantee a set schedule when it comes to these things, then maybe being a commish isn't the best thing. Hopefully everything get's straighten out, and you can get everything with your league going again.

jblaze03fuel · 03-28-2004, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mike D
Not trying to add fue to this fire, but you could have quoted all those and put them in one post. I haven't gotten along with you in the past, but I do know that work does some times interfere with other things. The only thing that I can say is that if you can't guarantee a set schedule when it comes to these things, then maybe being a commish isn't the best thing. Hopefully everything get's straighten out, and you can get everything with your league going again.

Yeah, I thought of that after the fact, sorry. I figured I could address each question better post by post.

03-28-2004, 03:54 AM	#123
sunnydoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tennessee/Colorado Posts: 103	nope. unfortunately, the one who said it is just as clueless. __________________ "Genius attracts genius, just as stupidity attracts stupidity. Wisdom is knowing the difference." "I am so confused!"-Vinny Barbarino Minneapolis Millers, NML 1935 Great North Division/Western Conference Champs Santo Domingo Admirals, PABF 2016 PABF CHAMPS!!! 2017 SE Division Keg Creek Coyote Uglies,POTD 2009 Appy WC

03-28-2004, 07:37 AM	#127
GoldenGlove Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 339	Clarnzz, Fit and Pat have no relation whatsoever. Please stop trying to continue your rep as a troll. He wasn't around for a few days , but he has done nothing wrong here. __________________ ISBL - New York Yankees B.I.G. - Oakland Athletics TheMLB - Cleveland Indians

03-28-2004, 01:52 PM	#139
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	Not trying to add fue to this fire, but you could have quoted all those and put them in one post. I haven't gotten along with you in the past, but I do know that work does some times interfere with other things. The only thing that I can say is that if you can't guarantee a set schedule when it comes to these things, then maybe being a commish isn't the best thing. Hopefully everything get's straighten out, and you can get everything with your league going again. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-28-2004, 03:00 AM	#121
Kevin from Dell Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1	Hey guys, if you need someone to step in and take over this league, I'm your man!

03-28-2004, 11:47 AM	#128
KidRock Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 113	Golden, he might not be all these guys but PAT is far from clean, let me list just a few things.... Starting the season he knew he had problems with the server, he KNEW some of the first exports me and a couple others sent to the server did NOT get imported... Pat simed anyways...screw the owners who have their best players in AAA...he was hell bent on simming dispite this ... and refused to resim saying he didnt have a backup file ... later in this thread he notes he has all backup files and can prove he didnt cheat... So was he Lieing than or lieing now?? Next he claimed after the third sim we didnt have any injuries in the league because he was missing a injury DAT file.. I checked the league files with an editor and the injuries and fatuge were turned off .. another LIE. few times durning the season sims were postponed because he was called into the OFFICE at work...one time durning one of these 5-6 hour postponments I seen him posting on this OOTP board...also after one of these late sims some boxscores did not match the scores seen in the files.... tells me he was simming more than once. Countless accounts of player ratings changing that were outside of the norm you seen in most leagues. Now this last thing..its funny the disaperance of the guy coincided with the Indians owner pointing out to him that his team had made bids and signed players he never bid on.. either Pat was making the bids for him or he somehow turned the Indians team on computer control.... the Indians owner started to question him and POOF.... the commish was gone... Questions arose after 3-4 days where did he go... he was posting on this OOTP board and lurking around the BTPBL board but did not post... did not say a word to anyone... he was on invisable on AIM... Pat was caught in a pickle.. someone finnnaly have him caught red handed and he didnt have any explination so he just disapears... comes back after a week hoping these FA signing questions would go away but they didnt..... Now can you say he has done nothing WRONG here??? I am sure I am leaving out 4-5 other FUNNY things that have happened in his league that he passed off as some quirk... start adding this all up and you have to be a BLINDMAN not to see whats going on.

03-28-2004, 12:00 PM	#129
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Since I was mentioned, I will say that this part of the story is true: He did contact me by PM asking for reasons that injuries would not be appearing on the league reports. After mentioning that if you didn't have the injury.dat file in the proper directory injuries wouldn't appear, he seemed to think that was the case.

03-28-2004, 12:52 PM	#131
BigBambino All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Auburn, ME Posts: 1,315	Agreed, that happened in a league i was in one time. And the Guy wasn't cheating, Just a Bug...