Rolen's Roster 2002 Season Results

[ms2002]

After simulating the 2002 season using Rolen's Rosters in OOTP4 with all teams computer controlled, these were my results:

AL EAST:
New York (105-57)
Boston (86-76)
Toronto (76-87)
Baltimore (65-97)
Tampa Bay (61-101)

AL CENTRAL:
Minnesota (97-65)
Chicago (82-80)
Cleveland (71-91)
Kansas City (68-94)
Detroit (64-98)

AL WEST:
Texas (102-60)
Seattle (99-63) *Wildcard
Anaheim (81-81)
Oakland (75-87)

NL EAST:
Philadelphia (90-72)
Florida (88-75)
Atlanta (76-86)
Montreal (76-86)
New York (75-87)

NL CENTRAL:
St. Louis (97-65)
Chicago (89-74) *Wildcard
Pittsburgh (86-76)
Houston (83-79)
Milwaukee (71-91)
Cincinatti (64-98)

NL WEST:
San Francisco (96-66)
Colorado (80-82)
Los Angeles (80-82)
Arizona (76-86)
San Diego (73-89)


PLAYOFFS------------
DS:
New York over Minnesota in 4
Seattle over Texas in 4
Chicago over St. Louis in 5
Philadelphia over San Francisco in 3
CS:
Seattle over New York in 4
Philadelphia over Chicago in 4
World Series:
Seattle over Philadelphia in 4

AWARDS------

AL MVP: Jim Thome (CLE): .310-59 HR-156 RBI
AL Cy Young: Brad Radke (MIN): 22W-5L-3.35 ERA-268.1 IP
AL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Anderson (SEA): 16W-10L-4.11 ERA-206 IP-123 K

NL MVP: Luis Gonzalez (ARI): .326-64 HR-154 RBI
NL Cy Young: Russ Ortiz (SF): 23W-3L-2.12 ERA-229.1 IP
NL Rookie of the Year: Carlos Hernandez (HOU): 15W-10L-4.54 ERA-204.1 IP-183 K


LEADERS:
AVG: AL-Jason Giambi (.375)
NL-Moises Alou (.359)
HR: AL-Jim Thome (59)
NL-Luis Gonzalez (64)
RBI: AL-Jim Thome (156)
NL-Luis Gonzalez (154)
SB: AL-Ichiro Suzuki (77)
NL-Juan Pierre (63)

ERA: AL-Mike Mussina (3.13)
NL-Russ Ortiz (2.12)
W: AL-Brad Radke (22)
NL-Russ Ortiz (23)
SO: AL-Pedro Martinez (196)
NL-Randy Johnson (317)
SV: AL-Jeff Zimmerman (41)
NL-Rob Nen (42)

SURPRISES:
Minnesota (1st place, 97 wins)
Texas (1st place, 102 wins)
Oakland (last place, 75 wins)
New York Mets (last place, 75 wins)
Pittsburgh (3rd place, 86 wins)
Ruben Sierra (38 HR, 150 RBI)
Tomas Perez (.330)
Reggie Sanders (52 HR, 141 RBI)
Greg Norton (.293, 42 HR, 114 RBI)
Tyler Houston (41 HR, 101 RBI)
Jay Gibbons (39 HR, 115 RBI)
Todd Hollandsworth (55 2B, 36 HR, 137 RBI)
Randy Wolf (16-3, 2.84 ERA, 165 K)
John Thomson (13-6, 3.54 ERA, 203.2 IP)
Jason Marquis (14-8, 3.70 ERA, 214 IP)
Kevin Olsen (12-10, 3.80 ERA, 191.2 IP)
Joel Pineiro (18-8, 4.34 ERA)

Ichiro Suzuki .323 with 10 HR and 99 RBI while stealing 77 bases.

Barry Bonds hit .334 with 51 HR and 123 RBI while drawing 173 walks.

Jason Giambi hit .375 with 35 HR and 116 RBI while batting .406 at Yankee Stadium.

BLOCKBUSTER/WEIRD TRADES------
Boston trades RHP Derek Lowe to Milwaukee for 3B Jose Hernandez and 2B Elvis Pena

Minnesota trades LHP Eric Milton to Baltimore for LF Jay Gibbons and CF Luis Matos.

Carlos Pena doesn't play one game for Oakland. Oakland trades RHP Mike Fyhrie to Boston for 1B Brian Daubach.

Oakland trades SS Miguel Tejada to Houston for LF Daryle Ward and C John Buck.

Milwaukee trades LF Geoff Jenkins, P Matt Childers, and Marcus Scutaro to Detroit for UT Shane Halter. ???

Chicago White Sox trade LF Carlos Lee to St. Louis for RHP Darryl Kile, SS Wilson Delgado, and CF William Ortega.

Toronto trades 1B Carlos Delgado to Chicago Cubs for RHP Jon Lieber and 3B Ivanon Coffie.

New York Mets trade 1B Mo Vaughn back to Anaheim for CF Darin Erstad, 1B Casey Kotchman, and P Chris Bootcheck. ???

Colorado trades RF Larry Walker, 2B Jayson Nix, and, SS Jack Wilson to Milwaukee for 3B Tyler Houston. ???


Odd year. Oh well. What were your 2002 results? Comments?

[ March 10, 2002: Message edited by: ms2002 ]</p>

[tsq_bone]

Thanks for the posting.

Oakland coming in last really suprised me, was that due to any key injuries, or did they just stink? Various other suprises like the Pirates and the Twins, but that one stood out to me the most.

The player suprises weren't too bad, I enjoy the occasional suprise performance like that, and not of them seem terribly unrealistic, except maybe John Thompson putting up those nice numbers in Coors.

Some of those AI trades really suprised me. Pena will be better then Daubach, and there's no real reason for them to trade for Daubach, and then especially to not play Pena once the season became lost. And why trade Tejada for Ward? Who would they play at SS, and they had Piatt and Brynes in left. Why would Milwaukee trade Jenkins for Halter? That makes limited sense.

Who did Toronto play at 1B after trading Delgado for Lieber? I don't really like that trade. The last two make limited sense as well, Walker and more for Houston seems dumb, and why would Anaheim get back Vaughn, when Erstad can play 1B if need be, and he'll be better. And why would Anaheim throw in two good prospects as well?

The trading AI seems to still need some work.

[dasperp]

Oakland's pitchers are underrated in Rolen's roster. the Vaughn to Anaheim thing happened the only two times I've simmed the season as well. Strange.

[CMH]

this is my opinion...simulated season using the official MLB Rosters and a piece of my mind...

al east: Baltimore is better than Toronto, i'm tellin you

al central: the Twins ARE that good, watch and see. 90 wins very realistic for them.

al west: seattle is OVERRATED, fluke year, i'll bet all my money on it, everyone will jump off the wagon real quick...Oakland is the west number ONE!, and Texas COULD be second, BUT Seattle right now is better than them, just by a bit...oh and Anaheim = FIRST TIME ENTIRE AL WEST IS OVER .500!

nl east: florida will be number one, in 3-5 years, right now they finish 4 or 5 with montreal. Mets should be number one(dont understand wat happened in your simulated season, so strange)

nl central: i mean after st.louis and chicago, who else? everyone wants to say houston but thats b/c the media loves bagwell's big bat...pirates are very underrated, but 80 wins may be unrealistic at this point

nl west: colorado??? sorry not that good...arizona, surprise surprise looks fine to me. they have no hitting, look at the numbers. if arizona wins the division this year then randy johnson and curt schilling should both win co-mvp's and cy youngs...san diego is much better than that and will prove the world come this summer. i put my dignity on it


quick read: in 5 years florida and san diego will be powerhouses (i once included milwaukee in this list BUT this offseason they showed their true al central colors by trading away a big star, umm are we playing "who wants to be a royal??")...and watch out for those birds in the al east, no NOT the blue jays.

[IatricSB]

Hey Rolen.... did you notice who is in the Series??

[waterpri]

so far ive started a career using rolen's roster 3 times and each time the cpu trades Milton, Walker, Jenkins, and Mo. Some of those trades look to be almost the exact same trades I got in my sim. One other guy who gets traded a ton is Jose Vidro. Vladi as well.......

[ms2002]

About Oakland:

Tim Hudson tore his rotator cuff muscle while pitching in May missed the rest of the season. He was rated very poorly. Erik Hiljus missed more than a month. Lidle came back to earth and had a 6.28 ERA while Allen Levrault and Aaron Harang were the number 4 and 5 starters while posting ERAs that hung around 6. Jim Mecir and Mike Venafro were solid but the rest of the relievers were lousy.

Actually, Carlos Pena did play, I didn't see the statistics. He only had 233 AB and hit .253 with 7 HR and 28 RBI. He wasn't cutting it at first base. Daubach was signed through 2003, so there wasn't much of a commitment there. He hit quite well, batting .280 with 20 HR and 82 RBI. Not to mention 38 2B and a .993 fielding percentage at first base.

John Thomson actually did struggle a bit at Coors where he allowed a .266 there compared to an incredible .199 average on the road. His ERA was a run higher at home too.

As for Halter, I think the reason the computer likes him is because he has a 6 AVG rating and a 7-7 2B/3B rating along with a 5 HR rating. He's listed at shortstop with A range, so that makes him even more valuable. Just poor programming by the roster maker there.

As for Toronto and 1B after Delgado, the computer was smart enough to trade immediately after Delgado for a first basemen. They acquired Steve Cox for Esteban Loaiza.

I hope this helps answer your questions. I am really pleased with OOTP4 and think the sim engine is incredible. The trade AI seems to make since when all of this is explained. Weird things happen in baseball....

[Arbiter]

[quote]Originally posted by waterpri:
<strong>so far ive started a career using rolen's roster 3 times and each time the cpu trades Milton, Walker, Jenkins, and Mo. Some of those trades look to be almost the exact same trades I got in my sim. One other guy who gets traded a ton is Jose Vidro. Vladi as well.......</strong><hr></blockquote>

Trading does not seem to be too randomized in the AI. I've noticed in running some test seasons of my fictional league, the same trades happen most of the time, the exceptions usually being when one of the involved teams does unusally well/badly in that particular run.

Hard to say if this is a Good Thing or Bad Thing, though.

[jor31]

[quote]Originally posted by ms2002:
<strong>
NL EAST:
Philadelphia (90-72)
Florida (88-75)
Atlanta (76-86)
Montreal (76-86)
New York (75-87)
</strong><hr></blockquote>


New York (75-87) Something isnt right here!!!!

[InfamousMP]

I just started to use Rolen's Roster as I begin my first season with OOTP4 as the Montreal Expos. I am just past the All-Star Break and have noticed a lot of strange things, including some trades that just made no sense. Without getting into full detail and boring you all to death, I'll throw a few examples:

1- Delgado, Walker, Jenkins, Vidro are all traded and the teams trading them get beat every single time, and by a lot. I find that strange, but oh well, we all knew the AI would not be perfect and that is why I prefer on-line leagues to solo play.

2- Todd Helton was traded...wait....with 2 other players (crap)...wait...for Kevin Millar. Now that makes sense.

Just thought I would note those things. The game seems to be a lot of fun now and is a huge improvement from v3. Still, I think a few things can make it even better and w/Franchise Baseball signing up to work on v5, I expect that.

As for Rolen's Roster, he knows I am a big fan of the roster set and am glad to see him in Maelstrom (thanks for Rocker) but I agree that pitching seems to be underrated in his set. Oakland's trio at the top of the list for that. Just my opinion though and we should all just sit and shut up about it until someone else puts in the work to make a better roster set.

[Erich Ingram]

The funny thing is that many people I talk to tell me that Pitching is over rated by me. Please make sure you see all of the numbers and transactions that lead into a result and also remember that the scouts all have differing opinions as to how high a players ratings appear and that they are never the exact ratings.

Stacy yes I see that, but the funny thing is 90 wins is about where they should be. They had 86 in 2001 so I don't think that 90 is outrageous. Making it to the series well anything can happen once the Playoffs start.

Also just so you guys know the trading has nothing to do with the roster file. As for young pitchers give them a year to improve you will see some different results in 2003.

Remember Texas is much better this year in the sim because they added Valdes, Park and Gonzalez. Those guys have decent numbers that are better than their predecessors and this is a sim so guys like Park and Valdes will look better on a team like Texas where they will get run support. Oakland will have good pitching but lost so much hitting with the removal of Giambi and Damon from the lineup that is hard to replace.

[ March 11, 2002: Message edited by: Rolen17 ]</p>

[snakehips]

The big thing I've found with my sims, is that Philadelphia are the Dogs whotsits, in one sim they won the WS in 2002 and 2003. I think its right that Oakland and Cleveland aren't so hot, they gave up a lot in Free agency. I just wish it wasn't so easy to win with the Red Sox though.

[Carplos]

[quote]Originally posted by jor31:
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New York (75-87) Something isnt right here!!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, they won about 5 too many games.

[bigphesta]

Yeah Rolen... are you a phillies phan because they've won 3 of 7 WS's in my league. That really sucks because I use the Mets.

[Carplos]

[quote]Originally posted by bigphesta:
<strong>Yeah Rolen... are you a phillies phan because they've won 3 of 7 WS's in my league. That really sucks because I use the Mets.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're asking a guy with the nickname *ROLEN*, if he's a Phillies fan?

[Heelfan71]

The Braves always do bad too.

[southpawsean]

Phillies aren't that good. They won't win 90 games. Mets and Braves are better and they have to play them 19 or so times. Last year they had the benefit of playing in a horrible division and as we know schedules are skewed to the division. They really don't have any proven starters and a shaky pen. Rolen I believe is overrated but I guess we all have opinions. But to have the Phillies win the world series as much as people have say they have in the season is fairly laughable.

[chrisj]

[quote]Originally posted by Carplos:
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You're asking a guy with the nickname *ROLEN*, if he's a Phillies fan? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, it seems *Scott Rolen* isn't a big Phillies fan...

... so ...

[Erich Ingram]

[quote]Originally posted by southpawsean:
<strong>Phillies aren't that good. They won't win 90 games. Mets and Braves are better and they have to play them 19 or so times. Last year they had the benefit of playing in a horrible division and as we know schedules are skewed to the division. They really don't have any proven starters and a shaky pen. Rolen I believe is overrated but I guess we all have opinions. But to have the Phillies win the world series as much as people have say they have in the season is fairly laughable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well 90 games is only an difference of 4 games over what they won last year. And they did that last year without their veteran catcher Mike Lieberthal, They have improved at pitcher this year from Daal to Adams and Duckworth and the other youngsters are all a year older and have a year of experience in the majors. Rolen is not overated in this it is just the scout on his team makes him look overated.

Am I Phillies fan? Well yes I have stated that mulitple times in this. I don't think that the Phillies are playing above their ability I think the Braves, Mets and Marlins are all playing below theirs. The Phillies winning 90 games is not the problem, it is the Braves not winning more often than they do that is the problem.

[southpawsean]

I was just playin with ya about the Phils. I'm still mad your Eagles beat my Bears! :-(