Most Realistic Cities Due For Teams - Page 3

hellfrozeover · 03-31-2002, 12:06 PM

Just one question, how many times has Washington had a baseball team that had to be relocated just because there was no support at all?

Too many times....so I think we shouldn't consider it at all.

I have to agree with Portland, and I think that Las Vegas should definitely have a team, but that probably won't happen.

Another city, as someone else brought up, that should have a team is Mexico City. That city is huge, and would have no problem supporting a team, and unlike say Hawaii, the travel times/arrangements wouldn't take as long, it would be like going to Montreal...except that there would be fans.

Michael Xavier · 03-31-2002, 03:57 PM

As a person from Western Kentucky, I will say that I grew up without any major geographical influence when I had to pick my favorite team as a child.

Like many in my hometown, I did one of the following three things:

1. Root for the frontrunner

2. Support the only two teams you pick up consistently on television, the Braves or the Cubs.

3. Pick your favorite team, by whoever had that the coolest uniform.

Personally, I used the last method. It is why, I am so screwed up. For example, I support the Reds in baseball, which are not that far away (4.5 hours), and the Broncos in football.

With this being said, I think that you should expand into Nashville. You pick up fans from Southern Illinois and Indiana, Western Kentucky and Tennessee, Arkansas, and Northern Alabama and Mississippi. Just look at the Titans.

Also, Salt Lake City wouldn't be a bad choice, it is not like Mormons wouldn't support a team. I believe the church would have their head if they didn't.

The Professor · 03-31-2002, 04:55 PM

Ohhh...DC is the #1 Primo spot for a new team, hands DOWN!

The original Senators played in a dilapidated park at the end of the 1950's, the old Grif', and were traditionally talentless until the great young core they shifted to the Twin Cities.

The expansion Senators were handicapped by the worst ownership in the league - the General who wouldn't spend money and Bob Short who was a complete @**. If that team had built a winner, I suspect they would have drawn fans. DC is a baseball town, was in the past, still is today.

...

...as a former resident of middle TN, I'd say Nashville would get the nod before Memphis. I'm not as familiar with the tendencies of Memphis fans as are Cooley and others, but I suspect the support for a "professional" sports team is stronger in Nashville whereas Memphis tends to decline into indifference after any period of time. Heck, prior to the Griz (lol) there was what, the USFL Showboats?

Portland is a good choice...

I would hate to see the MLB in Vegas...but that is just me.

A team in Brooklyn is a nostalgic choice, but I'm not sure about it. NY might be able to support three franchises again, but part of the reason the Giants and Dodgers headed west was an inability to compete financially with the Bombers. The Yankees had a bigger stadium, attracted bigger crowds, whereas O'Malley and Stoneham needed new parks (so they said) that the city couldn't provide and attendence was on the wane as TV and other factors drew off the crowd.

However, I love the notion of a team that belongs to a burrough rather than a city...so I'd enjoy seeing a Brooklyn team.

Indianapolis, not a bad choice...

Charlotte...mmm...maaaaybeee

Rochester (++), Buffalo, they both work...

In a fantasy universe, there are many options that work.

Real MLB...move the Expos to DC, keep the Twins...and concentrate on fixing what you have not expanding again or cutting back.

jor31 · 03-31-2002, 05:42 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Khaos:
[QB]Columbus is all about Ohio State.[QB]<hr></blockquote>

GO BLUE!

I think A team in Florida, like Jacksinville, or maybee somewhere in liek IA, Kentucky, or Tennesee.

Memphis sounds like the best to me though.

TheoR · 04-01-2002, 04:27 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Cooleyvol:
You guys mentioning Memphis obviously know nothing about Memphis, Tennessee. The city SUCKS, the fan base isnt there for baseball on the major league level at ALL!!

The guy who mentioned that Nashville's AAA team doesnt draw well forgot to mention that Hershel Greer stadium is antiquated and needs to be replaced BADLY.

Nashville is head and shoulders above Memphis for ANY type of pro franchise.

Memphis fans are very fickle and mark my words--The new NBA's Grizzlies will see that very soon!! I live much closer to Memphis than Nashville, but wouldnt go to any pro sports event there just b/c I'd have to travel to Memphis just to see it. The city sucks!!<hr></blockquote>

Mark, you sound like an idot! Memphis has the best support of all AAA baseball teams around. They now have the grizzlies and are supporting them fine(considering tha they try to play basketball).

Why do people from Nashville always want to talk down the people from Memphis?

Mark, I take that back, you don't sound like an idot, I think you are!

[ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: TheoR ]

Arbiter · 04-01-2002, 04:33 AM

[quote]Originally posted by The Professor:
However, I love the notion of a team that belongs to a burrough rather than a city...so I'd enjoy seeing a Brooklyn team.
<hr></blockquote>

True, but the Dodgers originally represented the *city* of Brooklyn. It makes a great trivia question: what city was in the top 10 in population in a census, had a major league baseball team, and didn't exist 10 years later?

The analysis of Washington is right on: the problem with both teams was ownership, not something inherent in fan support in the area.

allstar4 · 04-01-2002, 09:34 AM

This idea is too radical to ever work:

What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant.

Say after each season, the three worst teams would drop down into the next lowest league, and the three top teams in the level below would join the majors.

This would make minor league baseball more interesting, as there would actually be a chance that your team could really do something, not just win a AA title or whatever, only to see the players move on next season. People would more readily support their local clubs.

joshuaaaaaa · 04-01-2002, 09:40 AM

[quote]Originally posted by allstar4:
This idea is too radical to ever work:

What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant.

Say after each season, the three worst teams would drop down into the next lowest league, and the three top teams in the level below would join the majors.

This would make minor league baseball more interesting, as there would actually be a chance that your team could really do something, not just win a AA title or whatever, only to see the players move on next season. People would more readily support their local clubs.<hr></blockquote>

I think the biggest problem here would be stadiums and salaries. What happens when a club with a 50,000 seat stadium drops to AAA. Or with a 15,000 seat stadium jumps to the majors.

And how is the suddenly AAA team supposed to pay its high priced players on drastically reduced revenue?

SSG Troyer · 04-01-2002, 10:53 AM

[quote]Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa:


I think the biggest problem here would be stadiums and salaries. What happens when a club with a 50,000 seat stadium drops to AAA. Or with a 15,000 seat stadium jumps to the majors.

And how is the suddenly AAA team supposed to pay its high priced players on drastically reduced revenue?<hr></blockquote>

Set and enforce every team in the mix to a AAA economy. What you'd have is Professional Baseball Incorporated. A central office sets prices and salary for all teams, takes receipts and distributes them as it sees fit.

As stated, though, this would be too radical to implement. You'd have to have 30 MLB owners willing to commit financial suicide ... it would take an act of Congress, and they don't get involved in this stuff.

joshuaaaaaa · 04-01-2002, 10:57 AM

[quote]Originally posted by SSG Troyer:


Set and enforce every team in the mix to a AAA economy. What you'd have is Professional Baseball Incorporated. A central office sets prices and salary for all teams, takes receipts and distributes them as it sees fit.

<hr></blockquote>

And on opening day, Mr. Rourke would come out and say "My guest...Welcome to Fantasy Baseball."

Henry · 04-01-2002, 10:58 AM

Well... Las Vegas would have problems, no doubt - but you can't ignore an 80% growth rate in 10 years... that means by 2010 there will be about 3 million people in LV... and too much money for the MLB not to want a piece....

LOL... if any of you have seen the Casinos.. can you even imagine the ballpark ?!?!?

Cooleyvol · 04-01-2002, 11:11 AM

TheoR,

You are the idiot for thinking I'm from Nashville! I'm ALOT closer to Memphis than Nashville. Coming from someone from Southaven, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Memphis is supporting the Redbirds just fine.........and why? Because they are new AND have a new ballpark. As for the Griz, Memphis showed what its made of by all the bickering over the building of a new basketball arena for the Griz. Memphis always says that it wants a pro team, but when it comes around, they drop the ball.

So take your "idiot" comment and shove it in you @@@!

You need to get off your soapbox and see that Memphis is far below Nashville in overall "livability"!!

TheoR · 04-01-2002, 12:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cooleyvol:
TheoR,

You are the idiot for thinking I'm from Nashville! I'm ALOT closer to Memphis than Nashville. Coming from someone from Southaven, I'll take it with a grain of salt.

Memphis is supporting the Redbirds just fine.........and why? Because they are new AND have a new ballpark. As for the Griz, Memphis showed what its made of by all the bickering over the building of a new basketball arena for the Griz. Memphis always says that it wants a pro team, but when it comes around, they drop the ball.

So take your "idiot" comment and shove it in you @@@!

You need to get off your soapbox and see that Memphis is far below Nashville in overall "livability"!!<hr /></blockquote>um...
no...
it's just not worth it...

I'll just stick with my first post...
Mark, you are an idiot.

I'll stop right there...just not worth it..

[ 04-17-2002, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: TheoR ]

inverarity · 04-01-2002, 02:45 PM

[quote] This idea is too radical to ever work:
What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant. <hr></blockquote>

Too radical to work? Talk about the understatement of the year . . . MLB can't agree on a start time for night games - the only way we're not getting a strike in the offseason is if they're too stupid to remember how to run one (not out of the realm of possibilities).

That's why I love OOTP so . . the leagues I create exist in a world where nature has weeded out the Bud Seligs and Donald Fehrs of the world (painfully, hopefully) and all of baseball's participants are benevolent. It's a nice world.

Anyway, back to your idea - I think Hockey needs to implement something along this lines, as well as reducing their schedule to the style of the English Premier League - one game -v- each.

Carplos · 04-01-2002, 02:49 PM

[quote]Originally posted by inverarity:


Too radical to work? Talk about the understatement of the year . . . MLB can't agree on a start time for night games - the only way we're not getting a strike in the offseason is if they're too stupid to remember how to run one (not out of the realm of possibilities).

That's why I love OOTP so . . the leagues I create exist in a world where nature has weeded out the Bud Seligs and Donald Fehrs of the world (painfully, hopefully) and all of baseball's participants are benevolent. It's a nice world.

Anyway, back to your idea - I think Hockey needs to implement something along this lines, as well as reducing their schedule to the style of the English Premier League - one game -v- each.<hr></blockquote>

EPL teams play each other twice, and that's not counting Cups.

allstar4 · 04-01-2002, 03:42 PM

Yeah, I know it would never happen, the whole structure of contracts and trades would have to be different.

Just on OOTP I'd love be able to play out a league and bring a lower team to the top like I can in Championship Manager.

Le Grande Orange · 04-01-2002, 07:48 PM

Well you can - sort of.

I fooled around a bit with this idea in OOTP 3. What I did was set up a league file with only one league (so no playoffs), and 3 divisions, each with 8 teams.

I named the divisions Premier, First, and Second. I put the teams with the biggest markets, biggest fan loyalties, etc., into the Premier Division, the middle level teams in the First Division, and the smallest market teams into the Second Division.

Now, I should've made a proper schedule that had each of the Divisions only play amongst themselves, but I just used whatever OOTP had generated, which means that there were some interdivisional match ups.

I then simmed the season out, with the first place team of the Premier Division being the Champion. The last place team in a division was relegated to the division below, and the first place team from the division below was promoted to take its place. I just used the League Editor to move the teams, and it worked fine.

I then simmed the next season out with the new alignment. At season's end, I relegated and promoted the appropriate teams, then moved on to the next season, and so on.

Overall, it seemed to work out all right.

Given the expanded financial aspects in OOTP 4, I would expect it to work a bit better, since you have more options to control the financial level of each team.

Now you can really make those Premier Division teams the rich and powerful teams.

So, give it a try. Maybe it'll be a bit like you want.

LedgerSko · 04-02-2002, 11:05 AM

Well you guys gotta really think about Mexico City and San Juan for a second. They have different cultures than most of the United States. Would a guy that grew up in Massachusetts want to play baseball in Mexico City for his career, and keep in mind that Mexico City is one of the most polluted cities on the globe. Vancouver couldnt keep the Grizzlies so they are out. Charlotte, well the Hornets want out of there.

Las Vegas - good idea if it could work

Portland - Could work there they could handle a team

San Antonio - huge city, no team, could also work

Austin, TX?? - capital city I think they could handle it

Indianapolis - why not

Tulsa or OKC - another good suggestion

Louisville - I dont really know but I bet there are alot of people in KY that want a team

Milwaukee - oh wait we have a team already and he refuse to pay anyone $$$$

Glen · 04-02-2002, 11:21 AM

Personally I think Milwaukee is due for a Major League Franchise...

We have one? Damn they stink.

Glen

03-31-2002, 12:06 PM	#41
hellfrozeover All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,130	Just one question, how many times has Washington had a baseball team that had to be relocated just because there was no support at all? Too many times....so I think we shouldn't consider it at all. I have to agree with Portland, and I think that Las Vegas should definitely have a team, but that probably won't happen. Another city, as someone else brought up, that should have a team is Mexico City. That city is huge, and would have no problem supporting a team, and unlike say Hawaii, the travel times/arrangements wouldn't take as long, it would be like going to Montreal...except that there would be fans. __________________ FBA Chicago Syndicate Former Owner: WBL Minnesota Twins 2004 - 2007 AL Central Division Champs OOL Chicago Whales 2006, 2009 UL East Champs; 2006, 2009 United League Champs IBA Lehigh Valley Diamonds 2006 Governor's Cup Champions VSLB New York Yankees 2001, 2002 AL East Division Champs ILBL Commissioner/Chicago Cubs 2002 NL Central Division Champs; 2002 National League Champs ASBL New York Yankees 2006 AL East Division Champs

03-31-2002, 03:57 PM	#42
Michael Xavier Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 455	As a person from Western Kentucky, I will say that I grew up without any major geographical influence when I had to pick my favorite team as a child. Like many in my hometown, I did one of the following three things: 1. Root for the frontrunner 2. Support the only two teams you pick up consistently on television, the Braves or the Cubs. 3. Pick your favorite team, by whoever had that the coolest uniform. Personally, I used the last method. It is why, I am so screwed up. For example, I support the Reds in baseball, which are not that far away (4.5 hours), and the Broncos in football. With this being said, I think that you should expand into Nashville. You pick up fans from Southern Illinois and Indiana, Western Kentucky and Tennessee, Arkansas, and Northern Alabama and Mississippi. Just look at the Titans. Also, Salt Lake City wouldn't be a bad choice, it is not like Mormons wouldn't support a team. I believe the church would have their head if they didn't. __________________ OOTP since March 2002

03-31-2002, 04:55 PM	#43
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Ohhh...DC is the #1 Primo spot for a new team, hands DOWN! The original Senators played in a dilapidated park at the end of the 1950's, the old Grif', and were traditionally talentless until the great young core they shifted to the Twin Cities. The expansion Senators were handicapped by the worst ownership in the league - the General who wouldn't spend money and Bob Short who was a complete @*. If that team had built a winner, I suspect they would have drawn fans. DC is a baseball town, was in the past, still is today. ... ...as a former resident of middle TN, I'd say Nashville would get the nod before Memphis. I'm not as familiar with the tendencies of Memphis fans as are Cooley and others, but I suspect the support for a "professional" sports team is stronger in Nashville whereas Memphis tends to decline into indifference after any period of time. Heck, prior to the Griz (lol) there was what, the USFL Showboats? Portland is a good choice... I would hate to see the MLB in Vegas...but that is just me. A team in Brooklyn is a nostalgic choice, but I'm not sure about it. NY might be able to support three franchises again, but part of the reason the Giants and Dodgers headed west was an inability to compete financially with the Bombers. The Yankees had a bigger stadium, attracted bigger crowds, whereas O'Malley and Stoneham needed new parks (so they said) that the city couldn't provide and attendence was on the wane as TV and other factors drew off the crowd. However, I love the notion of a team that belongs to a burrough rather than a city...so I'd enjoy seeing a Brooklyn team. Indianapolis, not a bad choice... Charlotte...mmm...maaaaybeee Rochester (++), Buffalo, they both work... In a fantasy universe, there are many options that work. Real MLB...move the Expos to DC, keep the Twins...and concentrate on fixing what you have not expanding again or cutting back. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."*

03-31-2002, 05:42 PM	#44
jor31 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 204	[quote]Originally posted by Khaos: [QB]Columbus is all about Ohio State.[QB]<hr></blockquote> GO BLUE! I think A team in Florida, like Jacksinville, or maybee somewhere in liek IA, Kentucky, or Tennesee. Memphis sounds like the best to me though. __________________ Not affiliated but these sites are good- <a href="http://www.ootpworld.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootpworld.com</a> <a href="http://www.ootplinks.com" target="_blank">http://www.ootplinks.com</a> <a href="http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/" target="_blank">http://www.bigcitybaseball.com/bigcitybaseball/</a>

04-01-2002, 04:27 AM	#45
TheoR Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hernando, MS Posts: 149	[quote]Originally posted by Cooleyvol: <strong>You guys mentioning Memphis obviously know nothing about Memphis, Tennessee. The city SUCKS, the fan base isnt there for baseball on the major league level at ALL!! The guy who mentioned that Nashville's AAA team doesnt draw well forgot to mention that Hershel Greer stadium is antiquated and needs to be replaced BADLY. Nashville is head and shoulders above Memphis for ANY type of pro franchise. Memphis fans are very fickle and mark my words--The new NBA's Grizzlies will see that very soon!! I live much closer to Memphis than Nashville, but wouldnt go to any pro sports event there just b/c I'd have to travel to Memphis just to see it. The city sucks!!</strong><hr></blockquote> Mark, you sound like an idot! Memphis has the best support of all AAA baseball teams around. They now have the grizzlies and are supporting them fine(considering tha they try to play basketball). Why do people from Nashville always want to talk down the people from Memphis? Mark, I take that back, you don't sound like an idot, I think you are! [ April 01, 2002: Message edited by: TheoR ]</p> __________________ Baseball.....What else is there?

04-01-2002, 04:33 AM	#46
Arbiter Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: College Station TX Posts: 127	[quote]Originally posted by The Professor: <strong>However, I love the notion of a team that belongs to a burrough rather than a city...so I'd enjoy seeing a Brooklyn team. </strong><hr></blockquote> True, but the Dodgers originally represented the city of Brooklyn. It makes a great trivia question: what city was in the top 10 in population in a census, had a major league baseball team, and didn't exist 10 years later? The analysis of Washington is right on: the problem with both teams was ownership, not something inherent in fan support in the area.

04-01-2002, 09:34 AM	#47
allstar4 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hilton Head, SC, USA Posts: 17	This idea is too radical to ever work: What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant. Say after each season, the three worst teams would drop down into the next lowest league, and the three top teams in the level below would join the majors. This would make minor league baseball more interesting, as there would actually be a chance that your team could really do something, not just win a AA title or whatever, only to see the players move on next season. People would more readily support their local clubs.

04-01-2002, 09:40 AM	#48
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	[quote]Originally posted by allstar4: <strong>This idea is too radical to ever work: What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant. Say after each season, the three worst teams would drop down into the next lowest league, and the three top teams in the level below would join the majors. This would make minor league baseball more interesting, as there would actually be a chance that your team could really do something, not just win a AA title or whatever, only to see the players move on next season. People would more readily support their local clubs.</strong><hr></blockquote> I think the biggest problem here would be stadiums and salaries. What happens when a club with a 50,000 seat stadium drops to AAA. Or with a 15,000 seat stadium jumps to the majors. And how is the suddenly AAA team supposed to pay its high priced players on drastically reduced revenue? __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

04-01-2002, 10:53 AM	#49
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	[quote]Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa: <strong> I think the biggest problem here would be stadiums and salaries. What happens when a club with a 50,000 seat stadium drops to AAA. Or with a 15,000 seat stadium jumps to the majors. And how is the suddenly AAA team supposed to pay its high priced players on drastically reduced revenue?</strong><hr></blockquote> Set and enforce every team in the mix to a AAA economy. What you'd have is Professional Baseball Incorporated. A central office sets prices and salary for all teams, takes receipts and distributes them as it sees fit. As stated, though, this would be too radical to implement. You'd have to have 30 MLB owners willing to commit financial suicide ... it would take an act of Congress, and they don't get involved in this stuff. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

04-01-2002, 10:57 AM	#50
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	[quote]Originally posted by SSG Troyer: <strong> Set and enforce every team in the mix to a AAA economy. What you'd have is Professional Baseball Incorporated. A central office sets prices and salary for all teams, takes receipts and distributes them as it sees fit. </strong><hr></blockquote> And on opening day, Mr. Rourke would come out and say "My guest...Welcome to Fantasy Baseball." __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

04-01-2002, 10:58 AM	#51
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Well... Las Vegas would have problems, no doubt - but you can't ignore an 80% growth rate in 10 years... that means by 2010 there will be about 3 million people in LV... and too much money for the MLB not to want a piece.... LOL... if any of you have seen the Casinos.. can you even imagine the ballpark ?!?!?

04-01-2002, 11:11 AM	#52
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	TheoR, You are the idiot for thinking I'm from Nashville! I'm ALOT closer to Memphis than Nashville. Coming from someone from Southaven, I'll take it with a grain of salt. Memphis is supporting the Redbirds just fine.........and why? Because they are new AND have a new ballpark. As for the Griz, Memphis showed what its made of by all the bickering over the building of a new basketball arena for the Griz. Memphis always says that it wants a pro team, but when it comes around, they drop the ball. So take your "idiot" comment and shove it in you @@@! You need to get off your soapbox and see that Memphis is far below Nashville in overall "livability"!!

04-01-2002, 12:14 PM	#53
TheoR Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hernando, MS Posts: 149	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Cooleyvol: <strong>TheoR, You are the idiot for thinking I'm from Nashville! I'm ALOT closer to Memphis than Nashville. Coming from someone from Southaven, I'll take it with a grain of salt. Memphis is supporting the Redbirds just fine.........and why? Because they are new AND have a new ballpark. As for the Griz, Memphis showed what its made of by all the bickering over the building of a new basketball arena for the Griz. Memphis always says that it wants a pro team, but when it comes around, they drop the ball. So take your "idiot" comment and shove it in you @@@! You need to get off your soapbox and see that Memphis is far below Nashville in overall "livability"!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">um... no... it's just not worth it... I'll just stick with my first post... Mark, you are an idiot. I'll stop right there...just not worth it.. <small>[ 04-17-2002, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: TheoR ]</small> __________________ Baseball.....What else is there?

04-01-2002, 02:45 PM	#54
inverarity Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 95	[quote] This idea is too radical to ever work: What I'd like to see is a type of promotion/relegation system that is found in soccer leagues in Europe. There would be no farm system under this, all teams would be independant. <hr></blockquote> Too radical to work? Talk about the understatement of the year . . . MLB can't agree on a start time for night games - the only way we're not getting a strike in the offseason is if they're too stupid to remember how to run one (not out of the realm of possibilities). That's why I love OOTP so . . the leagues I create exist in a world where nature has weeded out the Bud Seligs and Donald Fehrs of the world (painfully, hopefully) and all of baseball's participants are benevolent. It's a nice world. Anyway, back to your idea - I think Hockey needs to implement something along this lines, as well as reducing their schedule to the style of the English Premier League - one game -v- each.

04-01-2002, 02:49 PM	#55
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,798 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	[quote]Originally posted by inverarity: <strong> Too radical to work? Talk about the understatement of the year . . . MLB can't agree on a start time for night games - the only way we're not getting a strike in the offseason is if they're too stupid to remember how to run one (not out of the realm of possibilities). That's why I love OOTP so . . the leagues I create exist in a world where nature has weeded out the Bud Seligs and Donald Fehrs of the world (painfully, hopefully) and all of baseball's participants are benevolent. It's a nice world. Anyway, back to your idea - I think Hockey needs to implement something along this lines, as well as reducing their schedule to the style of the English Premier League - one game -v- each.</strong><hr></blockquote> EPL teams play each other twice, and that's not counting Cups.

04-01-2002, 03:42 PM	#56
allstar4 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hilton Head, SC, USA Posts: 17	Yeah, I know it would never happen, the whole structure of contracts and trades would have to be different. Just on OOTP I'd love be able to play out a league and bring a lower team to the top like I can in Championship Manager.

04-01-2002, 07:48 PM	#57
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Well you can - sort of. I fooled around a bit with this idea in OOTP 3. What I did was set up a league file with only one league (so no playoffs), and 3 divisions, each with 8 teams. I named the divisions Premier, First, and Second. I put the teams with the biggest markets, biggest fan loyalties, etc., into the Premier Division, the middle level teams in the First Division, and the smallest market teams into the Second Division. Now, I should've made a proper schedule that had each of the Divisions only play amongst themselves, but I just used whatever OOTP had generated, which means that there were some interdivisional match ups. I then simmed the season out, with the first place team of the Premier Division being the Champion. The last place team in a division was relegated to the division below, and the first place team from the division below was promoted to take its place. I just used the League Editor to move the teams, and it worked fine. I then simmed the next season out with the new alignment. At season's end, I relegated and promoted the appropriate teams, then moved on to the next season, and so on. Overall, it seemed to work out all right. Given the expanded financial aspects in OOTP 4, I would expect it to work a bit better, since you have more options to control the financial level of each team. Now you can really make those Premier Division teams the rich and powerful teams. So, give it a try. Maybe it'll be a bit like you want.

04-02-2002, 11:05 AM	#58
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	Well you guys gotta really think about Mexico City and San Juan for a second. They have different cultures than most of the United States. Would a guy that grew up in Massachusetts want to play baseball in Mexico City for his career, and keep in mind that Mexico City is one of the most polluted cities on the globe. Vancouver couldnt keep the Grizzlies so they are out. Charlotte, well the Hornets want out of there. Las Vegas - good idea if it could work Portland - Could work there they could handle a team San Antonio - huge city, no team, could also work Austin, TX?? - capital city I think they could handle it Indianapolis - why not Tulsa or OKC - another good suggestion Louisville - I dont really know but I bet there are alot of people in KY that want a team Milwaukee - oh wait we have a team already and he refuse to pay anyone $$$$

04-02-2002, 11:21 AM	#59
Glen Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 153	Personally I think Milwaukee is due for a Major League Franchise... We have one? Damn they stink. Glen __________________ Colorado Rockies - DBLC