Infield Hits

henry296 · 03-29-2002, 03:48 AM

I have played about the first six weeks of my first career with OOTP and had one quick observation. It appears the E speed players are getting a little too many infield singles. I realize this might be a small sample size, but does anyone know how many infield base hits (not counting bunts) a guy like Ichiro had last year and compare that to a slower guy like Mike Piazza. What are others thoughts on the level of infield base hits. Just trying to help improve an already solid simulation engine.

Thanks
Todd

Scott Vibert · 03-29-2002, 05:04 AM

Haven't noticed this as a problem in playing out about 10 seasons worth of games... so I suspect this is a sample size issue.

Edit -

If you just want to go with your extreme example I counted 62 infield hits for Ichiro (actually including a few infield doubles).

While I counted Piazza as having 10 infield hits.

If you discount Ichiro and use another fast player like Roger Cedeno you find that he had 25 infield hits.

Edgar Martinez had 15 infield hits last year, and Mark McGwire had 7 in half the season..

So in reality the average difference in infield hits is only about 10-15 hits (discounting Ichiro as being an extremely unrealistic example).

[ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: ScottVib ]

Peter Bergstrom · 03-29-2002, 05:08 AM

Good question.

Hmmmm, are infield hits incorporated in the avg rating? I'd prefer not because it would add another intersting X factor and give a more organic feel to the resulting stats.

Also, do slow players ground into more DPs? And do pitchers with high GB% get more DPs? I don't see much correlation between GB% and propensity to surrender HRs. This is getting deep....

JML · 03-29-2002, 05:11 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom:


Also, do slow players ground into more DPs? And do pitchers with high GB% get more DPs? I don't see much correlation between GB% and propensity to surrender HRs. This is getting deep....<hr></blockquote>

From my expereince, yes and yes. I have some real hot rods on my fictional team, and playing out every game, I notice that they seem to break up/outrun a lot more DP's. same thing with bringing in pitchers with high GB% to get DP's. It is possible though that I am a victim of sample size.

Peter Bergstrom · 03-29-2002, 05:29 AM

[quote]So in reality the average difference in infield hits is only about 10-15 hits (discounting Ichiro as being an extremely unrealistic example). <hr></blockquote>

Yes, Scott, but is the ability to grind out infield hits pre-programmed or not? IOW, does a hittng rated 7 with speed of B going to get on base more frequently than a 7 hitter with speed of E?

This question is not as frivlous as it appears at first glance.

Also, is GB% randomly assigned? Logically, you'd assume that a pitcher with a high% would give up more IF hits, get more DPs and fewer SFs....Or are we asking too much of the stat engine?

Scott Vibert · 03-29-2002, 06:08 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom:


Yes, Scott, but is the ability to grind out infield hits pre-programmed or not? IOW, does a hittng rated 7 with speed of B going to get on base more frequently than a 7 hitter with speed of E?

This question is not as frivlous as it appears at first glance.

Also, is GB% randomly assigned? Logically, you'd assume that a pitcher with a high% would give up more IF hits, get more DPs and fewer SFs....Or are we asking too much of the stat engine?<hr></blockquote>

I never said or thought it was a frivolous question, I answered with my own experience and did the research to present the stats that the thread's starter asked for.

Haven't done the studies... but in the instances where there is a close play at 1B (or anybase) I would assume the players speed is consulted... I really haven't paid too much attention to tracking the number of infield hits by speed or by pitchers ground ball percentage, so I can't answer that. I typically notice the faster players being safe more often on the close calls than the slower players.

henry296 · 03-29-2002, 07:37 AM

Scott,

Thanks the reply. I didn't realize that guys like McGwire and Piazza had that many infield hits. I might trying doing some counting when I get back into the game next week.

My anecdotal evidence would suggest that faster players are better at beating out potential double play balls and do got their share of infield hits.

Todd

Helli · 03-29-2002, 05:09 PM

I think it should be that way. Just becuase a guy has a 7 hitting doesn't mean he should hit as well as a real selective hitter (if he's got poor plate discipline) speed is another factor separate from hitting ability but it effects the average.

03-29-2002, 03:48 AM	#1
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	Infield Hits I have played about the first six weeks of my first career with OOTP and had one quick observation. It appears the E speed players are getting a little too many infield singles. I realize this might be a small sample size, but does anyone know how many infield base hits (not counting bunts) a guy like Ichiro had last year and compare that to a slower guy like Mike Piazza. What are others thoughts on the level of infield base hits. Just trying to help improve an already solid simulation engine. Thanks Todd

03-29-2002, 05:04 AM	#2
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	Haven't noticed this as a problem in playing out about 10 seasons worth of games... so I suspect this is a sample size issue. Edit - If you just want to go with your extreme example I counted 62 infield hits for Ichiro (actually including a few infield doubles). While I counted Piazza as having 10 infield hits. If you discount Ichiro and use another fast player like Roger Cedeno you find that he had 25 infield hits. Edgar Martinez had 15 infield hits last year, and Mark McGwire had 7 in half the season.. So in reality the average difference in infield hits is only about 10-15 hits (discounting Ichiro as being an extremely unrealistic example). [ March 29, 2002: Message edited by: ScottVib ]</p>

03-29-2002, 05:11 AM	#4
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,154	[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom: <strong> Also, do slow players ground into more DPs? And do pitchers with high GB% get more DPs? I don't see much correlation between GB% and propensity to surrender HRs. This is getting deep....</strong><hr></blockquote> From my expereince, yes and yes. I have some real hot rods on my fictional team, and playing out every game, I notice that they seem to break up/outrun a lot more DP's. same thing with bringing in pitchers with high GB% to get DP's. It is possible though that I am a victim of sample size.

03-29-2002, 06:08 AM	#6
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	[quote]Originally posted by Peter Bergstrom: <strong> Yes, Scott, but is the ability to grind out infield hits pre-programmed or not? IOW, does a hittng rated 7 with speed of B going to get on base more frequently than a 7 hitter with speed of E? This question is not as frivlous as it appears at first glance. Also, is GB% randomly assigned? Logically, you'd assume that a pitcher with a high% would give up more IF hits, get more DPs and fewer SFs....Or are we asking too much of the stat engine?</strong><hr></blockquote> I never said or thought it was a frivolous question, I answered with my own experience and did the research to present the stats that the thread's starter asked for. Haven't done the studies... but in the instances where there is a close play at 1B (or anybase) I would assume the players speed is consulted... I really haven't paid too much attention to tracking the number of infield hits by speed or by pitchers ground ball percentage, so I can't answer that. I typically notice the faster players being safe more often on the close calls than the slower players.

03-29-2002, 05:08 AM	#3
Peter Bergstrom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 27	Good question. Hmmmm, are infield hits incorporated in the avg rating? I'd prefer not because it would add another intersting X factor and give a more organic feel to the resulting stats. Also, do slow players ground into more DPs? And do pitchers with high GB% get more DPs? I don't see much correlation between GB% and propensity to surrender HRs. This is getting deep....

03-29-2002, 05:29 AM	#5
Peter Bergstrom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 27	[quote]So in reality the average difference in infield hits is only about 10-15 hits (discounting Ichiro as being an extremely unrealistic example). <hr></blockquote> Yes, Scott, but is the ability to grind out infield hits pre-programmed or not? IOW, does a hittng rated 7 with speed of B going to get on base more frequently than a 7 hitter with speed of E? This question is not as frivlous as it appears at first glance. Also, is GB% randomly assigned? Logically, you'd assume that a pitcher with a high% would give up more IF hits, get more DPs and fewer SFs....Or are we asking too much of the stat engine?

03-29-2002, 07:37 AM	#7
henry296 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 514	Scott, Thanks the reply. I didn't realize that guys like McGwire and Piazza had that many infield hits. I might trying doing some counting when I get back into the game next week. My anecdotal evidence would suggest that faster players are better at beating out potential double play balls and do got their share of infield hits. Todd

03-29-2002, 05:09 PM	#8
Helli Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ca Posts: 104	I think it should be that way. Just becuase a guy has a 7 hitting doesn't mean he should hit as well as a real selective hitter (if he's got poor plate discipline) speed is another factor separate from hitting ability but it effects the average.