How good is Portis?

Mike D · 03-01-2004, 04:07 PM

Is he highest paid running back in the league good? Or is he Daniel Snyder overpays for everybody good. This is an astonishing contract for someone people have said is a product of a good offensive line.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1748249

So, tell me people, is he worth it?

LiftTheCurse · 03-01-2004, 04:25 PM

Portis is very good. 5.5 YPC for his 1st 2 seasons is very impressive. Its never been done. and over 3,000 yards in his 1st 2 seasons is just as impressive. I think Portis is worth the 50.5 million for 8 years or whatever it was...Hes a franchise back.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-01-2004, 04:30 PM

I don't know that he has "proven it" beyond a shadow of a doubt or if he is even that good but maybe just about any back could run fairly well in the Broncos system and behind their line. I mean Davis, Anderson, Gary and now Portis......just not sure which it is.

fantom1979 · 03-01-2004, 04:44 PM

Here is an example of the Broncos last three runningbacks in their best season. It really makes you wonder if it is the back or the system.

Davis 392 2008 5.1 21
Gary 276 1159 4.2 7
Anderson 297 1500 5.1 15
Portis 290 1591 5.5 14

Mike D · 03-01-2004, 04:49 PM

I think Portis is good, but he's not the best back in the league. And if your paying him that much, he better be. By the way, anyone know what the number is for Bailey's pending contract. I hear it's supposed to make him one of, if not the highest paid defensive players in the league.

TBDD · 03-01-2004, 04:50 PM

As a Denver Broncos fan, I like Clinton Portis, but this contract is ridiculous. He has only been in the league for two years, and he hasn't started all 16 games in either one. The Redskins give out these contracts like they are playing with monopoly money. It is becoming more, and more obvious to me that they have no clue how to run a franchise.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-01-2004, 04:51 PM

TBDD- nice avatar.

marc · 03-01-2004, 04:53 PM

I'd rank Portis around #5 for best runningbacks in the league. I think he played in a very good system with a very good line, but I also think he is a very good back.

Top 5 IMO:
Tomlinson
Holmes
Green
Faulk
Portis

Mike D · 03-01-2004, 04:53 PM

Hey Steve, how's the Braves looking? Second place this year?

Steve Kuffrey · 03-01-2004, 04:55 PM

How long to training camp? Thank God for NFL Network. MLB=joke.

TBDD · 03-01-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
TBDD- nice avatar.

Thanks, I was born and bred in GA. I only moved because I went to college out of state.

Rizon · 03-01-2004, 05:30 PM

I'd also rate him in the top 5.

mlyons · 03-01-2004, 06:07 PM

You could make an argument that he's the best running back in the league (a very flimsy argument, IMO), but there's absolutely no way he's that much better than every other running back in the league. That's an insane contract, and Daniel Snyder has just damned his team to cap hell for a long time. There are about 10 elite running backs in the league, and another 10 or so that, given playing time in a good system, could probably reach that level. It's crazy to spend that much on a position that has that much depth of talent league-wide.

yankeesrule · 03-01-2004, 10:47 PM

Portis, behind the sham O-line the skins will have this year, IMO will be lucky to break 1000 yards. No matter how good a RB is, he aint worth jack without a decent line and thats gonna be true for portis this year. The redskins will once again be a joke, which is unfortunate for Gibbs. They'll have no line and 2 QB's making big money.

Mike D · 03-01-2004, 11:15 PM

I'm sure gibbs has a say in who they get. It's not like Snyder saying, you take what I give you, or shove the 25 million your going to make up your ass.

KILLERBS24 · 03-02-2004, 12:13 AM

The Redskins have no clue! They give everybody like a 25% markup on their contracts, you only need to look at Moss and Morton last year. Portis is good but that contract is crazy. There are a ton of running backs, they could save the money and try and get one of the big time backs in the draft. Portis wont even have a 4.5 avg in Washington. Plus the fact that he's not the most durable back makes it even worse. Portis should have stayed in Denver and put up ridiculous numbers and had a shot at becoming one of the all time greats, instead he ran for the money and his ego allowed him to think he can do it anywhere and now he'll take a step back. Its something about Colorado, why would a baseball hitter ever leave Coors field and why would a running back ever leave Mile High.

fantom1979 · 03-02-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by yankeesrule
Portis, behind the sham O-line the skins will have this year, IMO will be lucky to break 1000 yards. No matter how good a RB is, he aint worth jack without a decent line and thats gonna be true for portis this year. The redskins will once again be a joke, which is unfortunate for Gibbs. They'll have no line and 2 QB's making big money.

From what I have heard from so called experts is that the Redskins line is actually decent, but the blocking scemes that Spurrier used last year were a joke. If there is one thing that Gibbs knows how to do, that is build a blocking sceme.

LiftTheCurse · 03-02-2004, 04:18 PM

I Think Washingtons line is good. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Portis has his best year next season.

Rizon · 03-02-2004, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fantom1979
If there is one thing that Gibbs knows how to do, that is build a blocking sceme.

Yeah right. Gibbs build a good offensive line? BAHAHAHA. I suppose if he does they'll name it The Hogs.

03-01-2004, 04:07 PM	#1
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	How good is Portis? Is he highest paid running back in the league good? Or is he Daniel Snyder overpays for everybody good. This is an astonishing contract for someone people have said is a product of a good offensive line. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1748249 So, tell me people, is he worth it? __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-01-2004, 04:25 PM	#2
LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	Portis is very good. 5.5 YPC for his 1st 2 seasons is very impressive. Its never been done. and over 3,000 yards in his 1st 2 seasons is just as impressive. I think Portis is worth the 50.5 million for 8 years or whatever it was...Hes a franchise back. __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East

03-01-2004, 04:30 PM	#3
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	I don't know that he has "proven it" beyond a shadow of a doubt or if he is even that good but maybe just about any back could run fairly well in the Broncos system and behind their line. I mean Davis, Anderson, Gary and now Portis......just not sure which it is. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-01-2004, 04:44 PM	#4
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Here is an example of the Broncos last three runningbacks in their best season. It really makes you wonder if it is the back or the system. Davis 392 2008 5.1 21 Gary 276 1159 4.2 7 Anderson 297 1500 5.1 15 Portis 290 1591 5.5 14 __________________

03-01-2004, 04:50 PM	#6
TBDD Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Northeast USA Posts: 21	As a Denver Broncos fan, I like Clinton Portis, but this contract is ridiculous. He has only been in the league for two years, and he hasn't started all 16 games in either one. The Redskins give out these contracts like they are playing with monopoly money. It is becoming more, and more obvious to me that they have no clue how to run a franchise. __________________ "Esther, everytime I look at you, it makes me wish that birth control was retroactive!" - Fred Sanford

03-01-2004, 04:49 PM	#5
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	I think Portis is good, but he's not the best back in the league. And if your paying him that much, he better be. By the way, anyone know what the number is for Bailey's pending contract. I hear it's supposed to make him one of, if not the highest paid defensive players in the league. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-01-2004, 04:51 PM	#7
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	TBDD- nice avatar. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-01-2004, 04:53 PM	#8
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	I'd rank Portis around #5 for best runningbacks in the league. I think he played in a very good system with a very good line, but I also think he is a very good back. Top 5 IMO: Tomlinson Holmes Green Faulk Portis __________________

03-01-2004, 04:55 PM	#10
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	How long to training camp? Thank God for NFL Network. MLB=joke. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-01-2004, 05:30 PM	#12
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,369	I'd also rate him in the top 5. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

03-01-2004, 06:07 PM	#13
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	You could make an argument that he's the best running back in the league (a very flimsy argument, IMO), but there's absolutely no way he's that much better than every other running back in the league. That's an insane contract, and Daniel Snyder has just damned his team to cap hell for a long time. There are about 10 elite running backs in the league, and another 10 or so that, given playing time in a good system, could probably reach that level. It's crazy to spend that much on a position that has that much depth of talent league-wide.

03-01-2004, 10:47 PM	#14
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Portis, behind the sham O-line the skins will have this year, IMO will be lucky to break 1000 yards. No matter how good a RB is, he aint worth jack without a decent line and thats gonna be true for portis this year. The redskins will once again be a joke, which is unfortunate for Gibbs. They'll have no line and 2 QB's making big money.

03-01-2004, 11:15 PM	#15
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	I'm sure gibbs has a say in who they get. It's not like Snyder saying, you take what I give you, or shove the 25 million your going to make up your ass. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

03-02-2004, 12:13 AM	#16
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	The Redskins have no clue! They give everybody like a 25% markup on their contracts, you only need to look at Moss and Morton last year. Portis is good but that contract is crazy. There are a ton of running backs, they could save the money and try and get one of the big time backs in the draft. Portis wont even have a 4.5 avg in Washington. Plus the fact that he's not the most durable back makes it even worse. Portis should have stayed in Denver and put up ridiculous numbers and had a shot at becoming one of the all time greats, instead he ran for the money and his ego allowed him to think he can do it anywhere and now he'll take a step back. Its something about Colorado, why would a baseball hitter ever leave Coors field and why would a running back ever leave Mile High.

03-02-2004, 04:18 PM	#18
LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	I Think Washingtons line is good. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Portis has his best year next season. __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East