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Gromit · 03-02-2004, 02:58 PM

Joe once again falls victim to a lack of run support.

He gave up one lousy earned run in 8 innings against a very good Anaheim team, and gets a no decision out of it.

He faltered a bit in his next start, surrendering 4 ERs in 6 innings against Texas, which currently has the 2nd best record in our league. Once again, he earns a no decision.

Torres started out the season with a 3 in Avoiding Runs, and now sits at a 5. Amid accusations of my tanking the season, Torres continues to improve along with MR/CL Nathaniel Reynosa.

Funny. If I was tanking, these two guys wouldn't be on my ML squad.

rangerfan · 03-02-2004, 04:28 PM

I had a very similar situation in one of my leagues. Had a guy just hanging around in AAA. (3 for avoid runs...pretty much average across the board) and then at age 26 got a huge talent bump. Going into Spring Training he was about 4 for avoid runs. After one season in the league he now looks like this:

My Guy

He is now one of the most dominating pitchers in our league and a great bargin. My advice would be to sign him long term and watch him get better. If he takes a talent hit then you aren't out that much.

Killebrew · 03-02-2004, 05:33 PM

I have been wanting to do this for 2 days...

Inconceivable!

Gromit · 03-06-2004, 04:52 AM

LOL@Killebrew

Torres continues to roll, but still can't buy any run support. His latest outing saw him give up 5 hits over 7.1 innings, with no runs (earned or otherwise). He struck out six and walked 2. He earned both PoG honors and a no decision (again).

KC ended up winning the game 1-0.

The game before this one (also against Cleveland), this guy threw a no-hitter. Gotta love those scrubs.

(League export hasn't been updated yet.)

Kelric · 03-06-2004, 10:54 AM

Stop tanking.

Gromit · 03-06-2004, 02:05 PM

You're killing me, sport.

Ol'Drippy · 03-06-2004, 09:59 PM

I had a few years were my AAA team was overloaded with good pitchers, and I ended up with a few 26 year olds waiting for people to retire. I ended up trading a few of them, and a few of them ended up developing, while some didn't. It's sort of hit or miss, basically just like with prospects.

And I've noticed that a good homer and control rating will win games. I called it the "Graves Effect," after Danny Graves won the 2003 Cy Young in my first solo league. But they usually need at least a four rating for runs for it to work.

InigoMontoya · 03-06-2004, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Killebrew
Inconceivable!

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Killebrew · 03-07-2004, 06:22 PM

(I don't care if it has zero to do with OOTP, I can't get enough of The Princess Bride)

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Soundbite: http://www.geocities.com/bithevn/PBride/Blunder.wav

ctorg · 03-08-2004, 07:49 AM

Ah, the Princess Bride.

woody5254 · 03-08-2004, 11:39 AM

Keep him. I've seen a ton of pitchers really develop in their early 30's and be dominant for 5-7 years. Check out Freddie Fitzsimmons in my Uniform history league. He is in the HOF thread linked at the bottom. He went crazy around 5 seasons into his career.

edm · 04-15-2004, 06:28 PM

Just going through my bookmarks today and remembered this thread. So it looks like you traded him? He ended up have a very good year though. 17-7 2.49 era. hope you were able to get some good players in return at least

Xpert7777 · 04-16-2004, 03:59 AM

Wow I just noticed this thread for the first time, and I took a look at the guy, who is a 4.0 start player, who just finished a great season, and go on to read he he impoved that much over one season. It makes you wonder sometime. I now have to ask, why did you trade him? Like edm said, you better have got some good players back in return!

William4192 · 04-19-2004, 05:43 PM

What did you get for him? Why trade a guy who was low cost, low risk and was improving so much?

03-02-2004, 02:58 PM	#21
Gromit Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holloman AFB, NM Posts: 164	Joe once again falls victim to a lack of run support. He gave up one lousy earned run in 8 innings against a very good Anaheim team, and gets a no decision out of it. He faltered a bit in his next start, surrendering 4 ERs in 6 innings against Texas, which currently has the 2nd best record in our league. Once again, he earns a no decision. Torres started out the season with a 3 in Avoiding Runs, and now sits at a 5. Amid accusations of my tanking the season, Torres continues to improve along with MR/CL Nathaniel Reynosa. Funny. If I was tanking, these two guys wouldn't be on my ML squad. __________________ Owner of the 2010 GGNL World Champion Pensacola Pilots, 98-64

03-06-2004, 04:52 AM	#24
Gromit Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holloman AFB, NM Posts: 164	LOL@Killebrew Torres continues to roll, but still can't buy any run support. His latest outing saw him give up 5 hits over 7.1 innings, with no runs (earned or otherwise). He struck out six and walked 2. He earned both PoG honors and a no decision (again). KC ended up winning the game 1-0. The game before this one (also against Cleveland), this guy threw a no-hitter. Gotta love those scrubs. (League export hasn't been updated yet.) __________________ Owner of the 2010 GGNL World Champion Pensacola Pilots, 98-64 Last edited by Gromit; 03-06-2004 at 04:58 AM.

03-06-2004, 02:05 PM	#26
Gromit Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holloman AFB, NM Posts: 164	You're killing me, sport. __________________ Owner of the 2010 GGNL World Champion Pensacola Pilots, 98-64

03-08-2004, 07:49 AM	#30
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Ah, the Princess Bride. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

03-08-2004, 11:39 AM	#31
woody5254 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hector, NY Posts: 6,130	Keep him. I've seen a ton of pitchers really develop in their early 30's and be dominant for 5-7 years. Check out Freddie Fitzsimmons in my Uniform history league. He is in the HOF thread linked at the bottom. He went crazy around 5 seasons into his career. __________________ Check out: You Pick Tourney Version 2.0 Standings Thread You Pick The Teams Tourney: Main Thread The Colossal 20th Century Tourney:Main Thread Chicago White Sox(Original Owner:2001-) Baseball Maelstrom -2001,2011,2013 World Series Champions -2002,2010 Maelstrom Tourney Champs Arizona Diamondbacks(2003-) NAHHBL Indianapolis Racers(Expansion Team:1993-)ABC

03-02-2004, 04:28 PM	#22
rangerfan Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 28	I had a very similar situation in one of my leagues. Had a guy just hanging around in AAA. (3 for avoid runs...pretty much average across the board) and then at age 26 got a huge talent bump. Going into Spring Training he was about 4 for avoid runs. After one season in the league he now looks like this: My Guy He is now one of the most dominating pitchers in our league and a great bargin. My advice would be to sign him long term and watch him get better. If he takes a talent hit then you aren't out that much.

03-02-2004, 05:33 PM	#23
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	I have been wanting to do this for 2 days... Inconceivable!

03-06-2004, 10:54 AM	#25
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,992	Stop tanking.

03-06-2004, 09:59 PM	#27
Ol'Drippy Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 190	I had a few years were my AAA team was overloaded with good pitchers, and I ended up with a few 26 year olds waiting for people to retire. I ended up trading a few of them, and a few of them ended up developing, while some didn't. It's sort of hit or miss, basically just like with prospects. And I've noticed that a good homer and control rating will win games. I called it the "Graves Effect," after Danny Graves won the 2003 Cy Young in my first solo league. But they usually need at least a four rating for runs for it to work.

03-07-2004, 06:22 PM	#29
Killebrew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,326	(I don't care if it has zero to do with OOTP, I can't get enough of The Princess Bride) You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! Soundbite: http://www.geocities.com/bithevn/PBride/Blunder.wav

04-15-2004, 06:28 PM	#32
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	Just going through my bookmarks today and remembered this thread. So it looks like you traded him? He ended up have a very good year though. 17-7 2.49 era. hope you were able to get some good players in return at least

04-16-2004, 03:59 AM	#33
Xpert7777 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Billings, Montana Posts: 159	Wow I just noticed this thread for the first time, and I took a look at the guy, who is a 4.0 start player, who just finished a great season, and go on to read he he impoved that much over one season. It makes you wonder sometime. I now have to ask, why did you trade him? Like edm said, you better have got some good players back in return! __________________ Cabo San Lucas Toreros ABL Jersey Shore D'bags - THE BSA

04-19-2004, 05:43 PM	#34
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	What did you get for him? Why trade a guy who was low cost, low risk and was improving so much? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com